[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T343052: Evaluate Wikidata's mobile site: Reconsider how Wikidata uses MobileFrontend/Minerva

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T343052: Evaluate Wikidata's mobile site: Reconsider how Wikidata uses MobileFrontend/Minerva

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  @Denny @Jdforrester-WMF Here is the ticket we talked about at Wikimania.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T343052: Evaluate Wikidata's mobile site: Reconsider how Wikidata uses MobileFrontend/Minerva

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  @Arian_Bozorg FYI

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  Thanks for filing this, Jon!
  
  @ItamarWMDE @Sarai-WMDE We should talk about this also in the context of our 
Item UI improvement planning.

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  Collapsible sections in part of MobileFrontend, so disabling MobileFrontend 
would remove the feature. MobileFrontend could be retained using a more limited 
set of functionality, I've added that as an option.
  
  > which is why I’d prefer turning off content transformations at a namespace 
level if possible.
  
  It is possible. That's what $wgMFMobileFormatterOptions does.

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[Tacsipacsi]

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  I like //Disable MobileFrontend, continue using Minerva//, except for having 
to adjust my preferences or use query parameters all the time if I use Wikidata 
both on desktop and mobile. Could MobileFrontend be changed so that feature #2 
can be turned off at a site (or, even better, at a namespace) level while 
keeping features #1 and #3?
  
  > for example section collapsing is not available on 
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:About_data
  
  I do see collapsible sections on https://m.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:About_data 
(of course not at your link, as it points to the desktop site). And it makes 
sense to have collapsible sections and other content transformations on 
wikitext pages on Wikidata, which is why I’d prefer turning off content 
transformations at a namespace level if possible.

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TASK DESCRIPTION
  Wikidata engineers should spend some time assessing how Wikidata uses 
MobileFrontend/Minerva and determine whether it should continue to operate in 
that way or change it's strategic direction. In 2023 better options exist then 
the ones we had in 2012. I suggest an engineer evaluates the 3 options below 
and makes a decision on the approach that makes most sense for Wikidata.
  
  Background
  ==
  
  MobileFrontend provides various features
  
  1. creates a separate mobile site (skin) for your mobile traffic,
  2. provides various content transformations to make your content more 
friendly (mostly designed for removing content via the `nomobile` class)
  3. simplifies mobile footer and adds a desktop/mobile site link,
  4. provides replacements for special pages that are not mobile friendly: 
Special:History, Special:Watchlist, Special:Preferences, Special:MobileDiff
  5. provides a beta mode with a feature management system for adding 
experimental features for anonymous users.
  
  The WMF web team has recently been working towards minimizing the functions 
of MobileFrontend to #1-#3 in the list above and reducing the technology gap 
between mobile and desktop experiences.
  
  Over the years Wikidata.org has developed various customizations that are 
tied to MobileFrontend and Minerva. Despite this additional code, Wikidata.org 
seems to lack many functions on mobile that exist on desktop. It also seems to 
not make use of the content transformations that MobileFrontend provides, in 
fact seems to workaround and from the look of it may even disable some of them 
(for example section collapsing is not available on 
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:About_data)
  
  There are a few paths that should be evaluated.
  
  Possible options
  
  
  Keep the status quo
  ---
  
  Pros: Doing nothing is always the easiest option; Having completely separate 
sites means you can maintain completely different experiences (At a. cost)
  Cons: Maintaining a mobile and desktop experience may be expensive given work 
by the web team. For example, in future the plan is for Minerva to use the same 
search as desktop and it's not clear how that would impact Wikidata (T275252 
). Over time this may require for 
maintenance work to keep up with the evolving Minerva/MobileFrontend codebases.
  
  Disable MobileFrontend, continue using Minerva
  --
  
  Upon inspection of Wikidata.org I noticed that the desktop Minerva skin 
performs quite well on mobile devices (barring a few minor modifications), 
potentially even better than the mobile skin.
  
  The Minerva desktop skin can be enabled either via query string or by user 
preference:
  https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1?useskin=minerva
  
  I found minor issues that could easily be rectified using the following 
user/site styles:
  https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Jdlrobson/minerva.css
  
  The code that switches skins, could be reduced to a simple configuration 
change that sets wgDefaultSkin when the mobile domain is detected.
  
  Pros: Wikidata.org will not be impacted negatively by any upstream changes in 
MobileFrontend / Minerva. Site will be more performant; Completely in control 
of Wikidata engineers - no need for support from teams at WMF.
  Cons: The Wikidata desktop code is not quite optimized for mobile so there 
would be work to do here by wikidata maintainers
  
  Use responsive version of Vector 2022
  -
  
  The #desktop_improvements_vector_2022 
 
project has worked hard to improve the responsiveness of Vector 2022. Currently 
the web team intentionally only supports down to 500px but could be convinced 
to support a responsive skin if we had motivation.
  
  There is a small amount of work remaining by web team to realize this (see 
T319305 ) but a Wikidata engineer 
can imagine this by using Vector 2022 on a mobile device on Wikidata using the 
following user script 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jdlrobson/responsiveVector2022.js
  
  
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/phame/post/view/286/should_vector_be_responsive/
  
  Pros: Web team are motivated to make Vector 2022 mobile friendly; Wikidata 
mobile experience would benefit from all features currently desktop only
  Cons: Some editors may dislike a responsive skin and would require some 
community outreach (they can easily opt out using existing preferences in 
Special:preferences); The Vector 2022 skin is not quite mobile friendly and WMF 
web team need to be onboard with any changes here.
  
  Have a Wikidata-only skin
  -
  
  Having a