Re: [Wikidata-l] Representing Wikidata at LODLAM Summit 2013

[Luca Martinelli]

2013/6/19 David Cuenca :
> Hi there!
>
> I am right now at the LODLAM Summit in Montreal and there was a wish to get
> Wikidata information, so I improvised a short talk (6th column of the
> 13:30-14:30 slot)
> http://summit2013.lodlam.net/files/2013/06/BNIm-WPCEAE5b1N.jpg-large.jpeg
>
> There were people from several national libraries (German, Spanish, etc),
> their impression was very good and some of them want to start linking.
> Also made some other interesting connections (OpenAgris from the United
> Nations) which can provide a gateway for government data.
>
> I know it is not much, but I couldn't pass the chance for PR'ing :)
>
> Cheers,
> Micru

Good work! The UN agencies are full of useful data. :)

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Re: [Wikidata-l] Some Wiktionary data in Wikidata

[David Cuenca]

Hi Denny,

Thank you very much for this fantastic update about the intentions of
supporting a semantic dictionary in Wikidata :)
Just a minor correction: I think instead of "word", it should be
"expression" because some languages don't follow the same logic.

On the other hand, do you think it would be possible to accommodate grammar
rules too?
I have added some people from Apertium that might have some insights about
it.

Cheers,
Micru

On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Denny Vrandečić <
denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I would like all interested in the interaction of Wikidata and Wiktionary
> to take a look at the following proposal. It is trying to serve all use
> cases mentioned so far, and remain still fairly simple to implement.
>
> 
>
> To the best of our knowledge, we have checked all discussions on this
> topic, and also related work like OmegaWiki, Wordnet, etc., and are
> building on top of that.
>
> I would extremely appreciate if some liaison editors could reach out to
> the Wiktionaries in order to get a wider discussion base. We are currently
> reading more on related work and trying to improve the proposal.
>
> It would be great if we could keep the discussion on the discussion page
> on the wiki, so to bundle it a bit. Or at least have pointers there.
>
> 
>
> Note that we are giving this proposal early. Implementation has not
> started yet (obviously, otherwise the discussion would be a bit moot), and
> this is more a mid-term commitment (i.e. if the discussion goes smoothly,
> it might be implemented and deployed by the end of the year or so, although
> this depends on the results of the discussion obviously).
>
> Cheers,
> Denny
>
>
>
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Re: [Wikidata-l] Representing Wikidata at LODLAM Summit 2013

[Jane Darnell]

Good work, David, go for it! I am very curious to see if the UN comes
back with anything

2013/6/19, David Cuenca :
> Hi there!
>
> I am right now at the LODLAM Summit in Montreal and there was a wish to get
> Wikidata information, so I improvised a short talk (6th column of the
> 13:30-14:30 slot)
> http://summit2013.lodlam.net/files/2013/06/BNIm-WPCEAE5b1N.jpg-large.jpeg
>
> There were people from several national libraries (German, Spanish, etc),
> their impression was very good and some of them want to start linking.
> Also made some other interesting connections (OpenAgris from the United
> Nations) which can provide a gateway for government data.
>
> I know it is not much, but I couldn't pass the chance for PR'ing :)
>
> Cheers,
> Micru
>

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[Wikidata-l] Representing Wikidata at LODLAM Summit 2013

[David Cuenca]

Hi there!

I am right now at the LODLAM Summit in Montreal and there was a wish to get
Wikidata information, so I improvised a short talk (6th column of the
13:30-14:30 slot)
http://summit2013.lodlam.net/files/2013/06/BNIm-WPCEAE5b1N.jpg-large.jpeg

There were people from several national libraries (German, Spanish, etc),
their impression was very good and some of them want to start linking.
Also made some other interesting connections (OpenAgris from the United
Nations) which can provide a gateway for government data.

I know it is not much, but I couldn't pass the chance for PR'ing :)

Cheers,
Micru
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Re: [Wikidata-l] Geoccordinates are live

[François Bonzon]

Some comments about the previous suggestions. I worked on extracting
coordinates and merging/picking best coordinates from the different
languages.

In addition to wrong sign or easting/northing like pointed by Paul,
frequent errors are due to copy/paste from other articles. Detecting
outliers helps. Using a fixed radius often doesn't work well. A solution is
to ignore coordinates where the sum of the distance to all others is
significantly higher than the average.

A warning about Sven's idea to prefer local language Wikipedia. It works
well in your example (Netherlands / nlwiki) because that is clearly the
dominant language in this country, but in general it is not easy to
determine "the local language":
- An article about a large entity may span many language regions
- The entity may be located at the border of such regions (take the
Matterhorn peak, at the border of Italy and Switzerland)
- Countries or regions may have many official languages (e.g. Belgium, or
region of Brussels)
- Or may have recognized regional languages (e.g. Spain: Spanish and
Catalan). Determining a single local language is arbitrary in many cases.

Also, I found out that for languages where the wiki is rather small (in
terms of number of articles, or unique authors), coordinates quality is
usually not better than in large wikis (e.g. English). In a large wiki, the
probability that somebody notices and fixes wrong coordinates is higher.

Another challenge when merging coordinates from all languages to Wikidata
is that a single article can have several coordinates. E.g.:
- Main coordinates about the actual topic (usually with display=title, and
shown top-right), and other coordinates not about the article topic itself
but mentioned inline when referring to something else (the latter can be
present alone too, without main coordinates). These in-lined coordinates
should not be considered when trying to pick coordinates for Wikidata.
- Some templates require several coordinates, typically linear features
such as rivers, that have source and mouth coordinates. Dealing with these
cases is required for useful results.


On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Paul A. Houle  wrote:

>You’ll do better dealing with bad coordinates if your system can
> recognize how bad particular cases are.
>
>  The worst error I see in Wikipedia is that sometimes people get east
> and west confused,  so there is this mirror image of Europe reflected
> across the U.K.  You find cute little Czech towns out in the Atlantic with
> the seamounts and the shipwrecks.
>
>  If you computed the bounding circle for the points,  the radius would
> be an indicator of the degree of confusion that would be highly effective
> for smoking out the craziest “rouge points”
>
> There are other cases where reasonable parties could disagree about
> the exact coordinates for things and it is not worth sweating it.  Where
> exactly is the state of Ohio or Lake Superior?  These things are shapes,
> not points.  You couldn’t argue about an uncertainty radius of 10
> kilometers for a point like that,  in fact,  the consumer system should
> know that it can move those labels around a little bit to improve other
> layout metrics.
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Re: [Wikidata-l] Some Wiktionary data in Wikidata

[Denny Vrandečić]

It's not about the actual content, but rather about the data model.


2013/6/19 Neil Harris 

>  On 19/06/13 15:03, Tom Morris wrote:
>
> If you haven't already, it might be worth looking at the Freebase schema
> for Wordnet, especially how it connects synsets to Freebase topics:
> https://www.freebase.com/base/wordnet/synset?schema=
>
> Tom
>
>
> WordNet does not seem to be under a free license -- see
>
> http://wordnet.princeton.edu/wordnet/license/
>
> Since Wikidata's CC0 licensing allows commercial use, surely integrating
> any kind of data from WordNet risks conflict with WordNet's license?
>
> Neil
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Denny Vrandečić 
>  wrote:
>
>
>  Hello,
>
> I would like all interested in the interaction of Wikidata and Wiktionary
> to take a look at the following proposal. It is trying to serve all use
> cases mentioned so far, and remain still fairly simple to implement.
>  
> 
>
> To the best of our knowledge, we have checked all discussions on this
> topic, and also related work like OmegaWiki, Wordnet, etc., and are
> building on top of that.
>
> I would extremely appreciate if some liaison editors could reach out to
> the Wiktionaries in order to get a wider discussion base. We are currently
> reading more on related work and trying to improve the proposal.
>
> It would be great if we could keep the discussion on the discussion page
> on the wiki, so to bundle it a bit. Or at least have pointers there.
>  
> 
>
> Note that we are giving this proposal early. Implementation has not
> started yet (obviously, otherwise the discussion would be a bit moot), and
> this is more a mid-term commitment (i.e. if the discussion goes smoothly,
> it might be implemented and deployed by the end of the year or so, although
> this depends on the results of the discussion obviously).
>
> Cheers,
> Denny
>
>
>
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Re: [Wikidata-l] Is an ecosystem of Wikidatas possible?

[Denny Vrandečić]

I agree that the different projects have different requirements. But I
think we should strive for a small number of "Wikidatas" - you could have
made the same argument for Commons, after all.

Right now, I think there is a need for Commons to have better support for
data - we are working on a proposal text for that - and Wiktionary - as it
is really a different system - needs some special treatments - we have just
send a proposal text for that.

For the other projects, access to (one central) Wikidata and the clients be
able to access arbitrary information from Wikidata on any page should be
sufficient for many use cases.

(You can always go further and say "but it would be better if we supported
Wikibooks with structured data about the books and its chapters" etc., but
at some point you need to weigh implementation effort and cost and the
expected benefit)

Cheers,
Denny




2013/6/11 David Cuenca 

> While on the Hackathon I had the opportunity to talk with some people from
> sister projects about how they view Wikidata and the relationship it should
> have to sister projects. Probably you are already familiar with the views
> because they have been presented already several times. The hopes are high,
> in my opinion too high, about what can be accomplished when Wikidata is
> deployed to sister projects.
>
> There are conflicting needs about what belongs into Wikidata and what
> sister projects need, and that divide it is far greater to be overcome than
> just by installing the extension. In fact, I think there is a confusion
> between the need for Wikidata and the need for structured data. True that
> Wikidata embodies that technology, but I don't think all problems can be
> approached by the same centralized tool. At least not from the social side
> of it.
> Wikiquote could have one item for each quote, or Wikivoyage an item for
> each bar, hostel, restaurant, etc..., and the question will always be: are
> they relevant enough to be created in Wikidata? Considering that Wikidata
> was initially thought for Wikipedia, that scope wouldn't allow those uses.
> However, the structured data needs could be covered in other ways.
>
> It doesn't need to be a big wikidata addressing it all. It could well be a
> central Wikidata addressing common issues (like author data, population
> data, etc), plus other Wikidata installs on each sister project that
> requires it. For instance there could be a data.wikiquote.org, a
> data.wikivoyage.org, etc that would cater for the needs of each
> community, that I predict will increase as soon as the benefits become
> clear, and of course linked to the central Wikidata whenever needed. Even
> Commons could be "wikidatized" with each file becoming an item and having
> different labels representing the file name depending on the language
> version being accessed.
>
> Could be this the right direction to go?
>
> Cheers,
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Re: [Wikidata-l] Visualisations of The Most Unique Wikipedias According to Wikidata

[Denny Vrandečić]

Can I have a statement about how much easier it would have been with
Wikidata? :)


2013/6/13 Brent Hecht 

> Hi all,
>
> In my (recently finished) thesis, I looked at a lot of different
> properties (e.g. topic, centrality, popularity via pageviews) of "common"
> and "unique" concepts across multilingual Wikipedia.
>
> It's all in Chapter 3:
> http://www-users.cs.umn.edu/~bhecht/publications/bhecht_thesis_final.pdf.
>
> A lot of these questions were addressed in the pre-Wikidata era :-)
>
> - Brent
>
> Brent Hecht, Ph.D.
> Assistant Professor
> Department of Computer Science and Engineering
> University of Minnesota
> e: bhe...@cs.umn.edu
> t: @bhecht
> w: http://www-users.cs.umn.edu/~bhecht/
>
> On Jun 13, 2013, at 12:33 PM, "Klein,Max"  wrote:
>
> > That's an excellent recommendation. I will attempt to research the
> common properties of the least unique Wikidata items.
> >
> > Maximilian Klein
> > Wikipedian in Residence, OCLC
> > +17074787023
> >
> > 
> > From: wikidata-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org on behalf of Paul A. Houle
> > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 6:57 AM
> > To: Discussion list for the Wikidata project.
> > Subject: Re: [Wikidata-l] Visualisations of The Most Unique
> Wikipedias  According to Wikidata
> >
> >I think Poland may do better than average because Polish people,  out
> of
> > national pride,  have made a special effort to be well documented in
> English
> > Wikipedia and represent a Polish point-of-view on topics like the city of
> > Gdansk.
> >
> >   One fascinating thing about Wikidata is that it provides access to all
> of
> > the wonderful concepts shared in the Wikiverse,  so now sites like
> Ookaboo
> > can collect pictures of many beautiful places that don't exist in en
> > Wikipedia.
> >
> >  On the other hand I'm also interested in the other end of the curve,
> > those elite concepts which are represented widely across the Wikipedias.
> > Surely this is connected with subjective importance,  with some flavor
> > towards "global" appeal,  whatever that would turn out to mean.  Any
> chance
> > you could run a report on those?
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mathieu Stumpf
> > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 4:51 AM
> > To: wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Wikidata-l] Visualisations of The Most Unique Wikipedias
> > According to Wikidata
> >
> > Le 2013-06-12 22:22, Klein,Max a écrit :
> >> Hello Wikidatians,
> >>
> >> I made a few visualizations of the distributions of language links
> >> in Wikidata Items. You can also use these stats to see which Items
> >> represent wikipedia articles which are unique to a language and
> >> compare the uniquenesses of all languages. Also I investigate all the
> >> items with just two language links, to look at Wikipedia "pairs"
> >>
> >> See the full analysis:
> >>
> http://notconfusing.com/the-most-unique-wikipedias-according-to-wikidata/
> >> [1]
> >
> > Interesting! Could you also create that kind of visualisations by
> > topics : how much uniqueness come from biographies of local football
> > people, compared with history events or abstract concepts ?
> >
> > Also, in a completly unrelated topic, you may explain me in private
> > what you mean with "Create a communal house to live in" which is in your
> > public todo list, it sounds interesting. :P
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Re: [Wikidata-l] Some Wiktionary data in Wikidata

[Neil Harris]

On 19/06/13 15:03, Tom Morris wrote:

If you haven't already, it might be worth looking at the Freebase schema
for Wordnet, especially how it connects synsets to Freebase topics:

https://www.freebase.com/base/wordnet/synset?schema=

Tom


WordNet does not seem to be under a free license -- see

http://wordnet.princeton.edu/wordnet/license/

Since Wikidata's CC0 licensing allows commercial use, surely integrating 
any kind of data from WordNet risks conflict with WordNet's license?


Neil



On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Denny Vrandečić <
denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de> wrote:


Hello,

I would like all interested in the interaction of Wikidata and Wiktionary
to take a look at the following proposal. It is trying to serve all use
cases mentioned so far, and remain still fairly simple to implement.



To the best of our knowledge, we have checked all discussions on this
topic, and also related work like OmegaWiki, Wordnet, etc., and are
building on top of that.

I would extremely appreciate if some liaison editors could reach out to
the Wiktionaries in order to get a wider discussion base. We are currently
reading more on related work and trying to improve the proposal.

It would be great if we could keep the discussion on the discussion page
on the wiki, so to bundle it a bit. Or at least have pointers there.



Note that we are giving this proposal early. Implementation has not
started yet (obviously, otherwise the discussion would be a bit moot), and
this is more a mid-term commitment (i.e. if the discussion goes smoothly,
it might be implemented and deployed by the end of the year or so, although
this depends on the results of the discussion obviously).

Cheers,
Denny




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Re: [Wikidata-l] Some Wiktionary data in Wikidata

[Daniel Kinzler]

Am 19.06.2013 15:57, schrieb Denny Vrandečić:
> 
> 
> To the best of our knowledge, we have checked all discussions on this topic, 
> and
> also related work like OmegaWiki, Wordnet, etc., and are building on top of 
> that.

I would like to point out that the "meaning" mentioned in the draft is really
the "word sense" - it's not an abstract platonical concept, but something very
concrete bound to a specific word. Perhaps we should change our internal
terminology there.

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Re: [Wikidata-l] Some Wiktionary data in Wikidata

[Tom Morris]

If you haven't already, it might be worth looking at the Freebase schema
for Wordnet, especially how it connects synsets to Freebase topics:

https://www.freebase.com/base/wordnet/synset?schema=

Tom


On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Denny Vrandečić <
denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I would like all interested in the interaction of Wikidata and Wiktionary
> to take a look at the following proposal. It is trying to serve all use
> cases mentioned so far, and remain still fairly simple to implement.
>
> 
>
> To the best of our knowledge, we have checked all discussions on this
> topic, and also related work like OmegaWiki, Wordnet, etc., and are
> building on top of that.
>
> I would extremely appreciate if some liaison editors could reach out to
> the Wiktionaries in order to get a wider discussion base. We are currently
> reading more on related work and trying to improve the proposal.
>
> It would be great if we could keep the discussion on the discussion page
> on the wiki, so to bundle it a bit. Or at least have pointers there.
>
> 
>
> Note that we are giving this proposal early. Implementation has not
> started yet (obviously, otherwise the discussion would be a bit moot), and
> this is more a mid-term commitment (i.e. if the discussion goes smoothly,
> it might be implemented and deployed by the end of the year or so, although
> this depends on the results of the discussion obviously).
>
> Cheers,
> Denny
>
>
>
>
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[Wikidata-l] Some Wiktionary data in Wikidata

[Denny Vrandečić]

Hello,

I would like all interested in the interaction of Wikidata and Wiktionary
to take a look at the following proposal. It is trying to serve all use
cases mentioned so far, and remain still fairly simple to implement.



To the best of our knowledge, we have checked all discussions on this
topic, and also related work like OmegaWiki, Wordnet, etc., and are
building on top of that.

I would extremely appreciate if some liaison editors could reach out to the
Wiktionaries in order to get a wider discussion base. We are currently
reading more on related work and trying to improve the proposal.

It would be great if we could keep the discussion on the discussion page on
the wiki, so to bundle it a bit. Or at least have pointers there.



Note that we are giving this proposal early. Implementation has not started
yet (obviously, otherwise the discussion would be a bit moot), and this is
more a mid-term commitment (i.e. if the discussion goes smoothly, it might
be implemented and deployed by the end of the year or so, although this
depends on the results of the discussion obviously).

Cheers,
Denny




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[Wikidata-l] Semantic MediaWiki conference: call for participation

[Yury Katkov]

Dear users, developers and all people interested in semantic wikis,

We are happy to announce SMWCon Fall 2013 - the 8th Semantic MediaWiki
Conference:

* Dates: October 28th to October 30th 2013 (Monday to Wednesday)
* Location: A&O Berlin Hauptbahnhof, Lehrter Str. 12, 10557 Berlin, Germany
* Conference wikipage: https://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/SMWCon_Fall_2013
* Participants: Everybody interested in semantic wikis, especially in
Semantic MediaWiki, e.g., users, developers, consultants, business
representatives, researchers.

SMWCon Fall 2013 will be supported by the Open Semantic Data
Association e. V. [1]. Our platinum sponsor will be WikiVote ltd,
Russia [2].

Following the success of recent SMWCons, we will have one tutorial day
and two conference days.

Participating in the conference: To help us planning, you can already
informally register on the wikipage, although a firm registration will
later be needed.

Contributing to the conference: If you want to present your work in
the conference please go to the conference wikipage and add your talk
there. To create an attractive program for the conference, we will
later ask you to give further information about your proposals.
Tutorials and presentations will be video and audio recorded and will
be made available for others after the conference.

==Among others, we encourage contributions on the following topics==

===Applications of semantic wikis===
* Semantic wikis for enterprise workflows and business intelligence
* Semantic wikis for corporate or personal knowledge management
* Exchange on business models with semantic wikis
* Lessons learned (best/worst practices) from using semantic wikis or
their extensions
* Semantic wikis in e-science, e-learning, e-health, e-government
* Semantic wikis for finding a common vocabulary among a group of people
* Semantic wikis for teaching students about the Semantic Web
* Offering incentives for users of semantic wikis

===Development of semantic wikis===
* Semantic wikis as knowledge base backends / data integration platforms
* Comparisons of semantic wiki concepts and technologies
* Community building, feature wishlists, roadmapping of Semantic MediaWiki
* Improving user experience in a semantic wiki
* Speeding up semantic wikis
* Integrations and interoperability of semantic wikis with other
applications and mashups
* Modeling of complex domains in semantic wikis, using rules, formulas etc.
* Access control and security aspects in semantic wikis
* Multilingual semantic wikis


If you have questions you can contact me (Yury Katkov, Program Chair),
 Benedikt Kämpgen (General Chair)  or Karsten Hoffmeyer (Local Chair)
per e-mail (Cc).

Hope to see you in Berlin

Yury Katkov, Program Chair

[1] http://www.opensemanticdata.org/
[2] http://wikivote.ru

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