[Wikidata-l] Clearly define {{#property: }} parser function
Hello,
I submitted bug 56763[1] just now, then realized that this is a part of a
larger issue: what is {{#property: }} expected to output.
Theoretically, there could be two extreme answers: raw data as a string, or
whatever wikitext which could be rendered as what *readers* love best.
I guess the second answer is the goal, because of ValueFormatter,
SnakFormatter::FORMAT_WIKI and $wgContLang->listToText() on final output in
our code, but sadly this is never explicitly defined anywhere, including
MW.org documentations[2] and development notes[3].
With this goal, I imagine the output for each datatype should be:
* Item: WikiLink to the linked article, or maybe the WikibaseRepo item page
when there's not such an article, with label as link text
* Commons media: ImageLink to the specified media file (size and other
params TBD)
* String: Wikitext-escaped form of the string data
* Time / Globe coordinate: See bug 48937[4] and bug 49387[5]
* URL: ExternalLink to the specified URL, see bug 56763[1]
However due to lack of the specification and the current behaviors of
{{#property: }} which is a mix of raw data and fully-constructed wikitext,
template writers have already invented various usages:
* [[{{#property:item-property}}]]
* [[File:{{#property:commons-media-property}}|thumb]]
* [{{#property:url-property}}
{{url-protocol-stripper|{{#property:url-property]
* {{#ifeq:{{#property:commons-media-property}}|A.png|B|C}}
and obviously work towards the goal described above breaks them (of course
what they want is still doable with Lua), and less obviously, they're
already broken sometimes when multiple statements exist, which are imploded
using $wgContLang->listToText().
Is there any plan here, and what's the real goal of {{#property: }} ?
[1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56763
[2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikibase_Client#Data_transclusion
[3]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Notes/Inclusion_syntax#Accessing_Item_Data
[4] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48937
[5] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49387
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Re: [Wikidata-l] Clearly define {{#property: }} parser function
Hoi
Remember that the stings need to be identifief for their language and by
implication script. They can be a mix and match from multiple languages..
Thanks,
GerardM
Op 8 nov. 2013 09:13 schreef "Liangent" :
> Hello,
>
> I submitted bug 56763[1] just now, then realized that this is a part of a
> larger issue: what is {{#property: }} expected to output.
>
> Theoretically, there could be two extreme answers: raw data as a string,
> or whatever wikitext which could be rendered as what *readers* love best.
>
> I guess the second answer is the goal, because of ValueFormatter,
> SnakFormatter::FORMAT_WIKI and $wgContLang->listToText() on final output in
> our code, but sadly this is never explicitly defined anywhere, including
> MW.org documentations[2] and development notes[3].
>
> With this goal, I imagine the output for each datatype should be:
>
> * Item: WikiLink to the linked article, or maybe the WikibaseRepo item
> page when there's not such an article, with label as link text
> * Commons media: ImageLink to the specified media file (size and other
> params TBD)
> * String: Wikitext-escaped form of the string data
> * Time / Globe coordinate: See bug 48937[4] and bug 49387[5]
> * URL: ExternalLink to the specified URL, see bug 56763[1]
>
> However due to lack of the specification and the current behaviors of
> {{#property: }} which is a mix of raw data and fully-constructed wikitext,
> template writers have already invented various usages:
>
> * [[{{#property:item-property}}]]
> * [[File:{{#property:commons-media-property}}|thumb]]
> * [{{#property:url-property}}
> {{url-protocol-stripper|{{#property:url-property]
> * {{#ifeq:{{#property:commons-media-property}}|A.png|B|C}}
>
> and obviously work towards the goal described above breaks them (of course
> what they want is still doable with Lua), and less obviously, they're
> already broken sometimes when multiple statements exist, which are imploded
> using $wgContLang->listToText().
>
> Is there any plan here, and what's the real goal of {{#property: }} ?
>
> [1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56763
> [2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikibase_Client#Data_transclusion
> [3]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Notes/Inclusion_syntax#Accessing_Item_Data
> [4] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48937
> [5] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49387
>
> -Liangent
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Re: [Wikidata-l] next sister project: Wikisource
You bring up a good point. Is there anyway to have the interwiki links that show up on the sidebar point to a page with a different q# ID then the should? If we can do that we can have every version of a given book all point to a disambiguation page that lists all of the versions. I can't think of any other solution. Sven On Nov 8, 2013 12:49 PM, "Joe Filceolaire" wrote: > Actually the problem isn't that you can only have one link from a wikisource > work from a wikidata item. We have separate wikidata items for each edition > of a work (because these have different metadata) so multiple editions of the > same work on a wikisource link to different wikidata items. > > This creates a different problem. Each language edition of a work is a > different edition so it links to a different wikidata item which has > sitelinks only to that translation of the work. This means you can't use > sitelinks to link to translations of a work on other wikisources. > > > Does this mean wikidata sitelinks are useless for wikisource? > > > filceolaire > > > ___ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > > ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] next sister project: Wikisource
The sitelinks are not used directly, they are aggregated by using the work item as a central hub. Basically the algorithm is: 1.- query all edition-items that are connected to the same work-item using "edition of" 2.- make a list of all the sitelinks used on each one of these edition-items (1 sitelink per edition-item) 3.- for each wikisource page connected to an edition-item, display the list generated on point 2 Micru On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 6:49 PM, Joe Filceolaire wrote: > Actually the problem isn't that you can only have one link from a wikisource > work from a wikidata item. We have separate wikidata items for each edition > of a work (because these have different metadata) so multiple editions of the > same work on a wikisource link to different wikidata items. > > This creates a different problem. Each language edition of a work is a > different edition so it links to a different wikidata item which has > sitelinks only to that translation of the work. This means you can't use > sitelinks to link to translations of a work on other wikisources. > > > Does this mean wikidata sitelinks are useless for wikisource? > > > filceolaire > > > ___ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > > -- Etiamsi omnes, ego non ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
