Re: [Wikidata-l] input for article placeholder
The problem is that we don't really know what topic the user is looking for, we just know a term (the search string or page title). The easiest thin to do would be to show an automatic disambiguation page, listing items that have a matching label or alias. That page would show the description for each such item, and a link to the corresponding page on the local wiki, if there is one. This sidesteps the question of how we might show a "summary" of some sort of a specific data item. If we want that, picking the appropriate infobox template would be nice, but I'm not sure how that could be done. -- daniel Am 29.12.2014 18:11, schrieb Lydia Pintscher: > Hey folks :) > > People have been bugging me for a while now about this so I started a > page to gather input. > > If you are searching for a topic on a Wikipedia for example but it > doesn't have an article about it then we can look at Wikidata and see > if there is a matching item for that topic. If we have data about it > on Wikidata then we can show some kind of placeholder. But how should > this look like and work? I'd love your input at > https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Article_placeholder_input > Please keep in mind the important points at the beginning of that > page. > > Also: If someone comes up with a better name for this that'd be awesome. > > <3 > > > Cheers > Lydia > -- Daniel Kinzler Senior Software Developer Wikimedia Deutschland Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
[Wikidata-l] input for article placeholder
Hey folks :) People have been bugging me for a while now about this so I started a page to gather input. If you are searching for a topic on a Wikipedia for example but it doesn't have an article about it then we can look at Wikidata and see if there is a matching item for that topic. If we have data about it on Wikidata then we can show some kind of placeholder. But how should this look like and work? I'd love your input at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Article_placeholder_input Please keep in mind the important points at the beginning of that page. Also: If someone comes up with a better name for this that'd be awesome. <3 Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Product Manager for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] WikiData for Research Project Idea: Structured History
Gerard, tell me about it. It's hard to find anyone who has even seen "ISO 8601" so there is not general compatibility between tools that accept "ISO 8601 (date)?(times?)"; the xsd:datetime (defined mainly as a restriction of ISO 8601) is closer to an open standard, but people aren't so sure about extra digits in the date fields, but maybe we will need them to deal with the year 1 problem. IEEE 744 is a similar scandal since it hasn't been read by most developers, particularly systems developers, so it is unlikely that FP operations in your favorite language are completely conformant. Now IEEE does have the Get802 program which lets you get slightly aged documents for networking standards and ISO does release the occasional standard for free such as ISO 20222 but there is a big difference between those two and the other organizations like the OMG, W3C, IETF, and FIPS that publish standards for free and manage to somehow pay the bills. On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 6:31 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi. > The fact that ISO has its standards behind a paywall is its shame. > However, it does not necessarily imply anything about the use of the > standard. > Thanks, > Gerard > > NB a paywall seriously hampers acceptance of standards > > On 29 December 2014 at 12:20, Jeff Thompson wrote: > >> The ISO standard for CIDOC CRM is behind a pay wall with a patent >> notice. Can it be used in an open knowledge system? >> >> >> On 2014-12-29 9:49, Dov Winer wrote: >> >> Hi Sam, >> >> CIDOC/CRM is the ontology of choice for Structured History >> as it is anchored on modelling events. >> >> An excellent project based on it is the ResearchSpace from >> the British Museum. >> See: >> http://www.researchspace.org/ >> http://www.researchspace.org/home/rsandcrm >> http://cidoc-crm.org/ >> >> Enjoy, >> Dov >> >> >> ___ >> Wikidata-l mailing >> listWikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >> >> >> >> ___ >> Wikidata-l mailing list >> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >> >> > > ___ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > > -- Paul Houle Expert on Freebase, DBpedia, Hadoop and RDF (607) 539 6254paul.houle on Skype ontolo...@gmail.com http://legalentityidentifier.info/lei/lookup ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] WikiData for Research Project Idea: Structured History / CIDOC
I would like to thank all for very informative feedback. Apologies for the term "CIDAR" in my original email as I meant "CIDOC," which has been suggested by Dov Winer (and also by a CIDOC contact - see email below). Let's say CIDOC were used, what would be required to harmonize the CIDOC structure and nomenclature with WikiData conventions? Thanks also to Daniel Mietchen and his feedback and interest in learning more about what may be required to make this happen. I am including email below that provides information on CIDOC from Martin Doerr. Jeff Thompson raised the issue of CIDOC (an ISO standard) is behind a paywall, and I do not know what issues this raises. However, it touches on something the WD4R project will need to address - how to incorporate reference to, use of, and possible access to, valuable research information that is subscription-based (eg. Nature, Science). Has there been any consideration for two-tiered access to WD4R - a free basic access and a subscription access that may include access to Science, Nature and other valuable resources? Best regards - Sam --- The following note from Martin Doerr at ICS.forth.gr --- From: martin [mailto:mar...@ics.forth.gr] Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 5:46 AM To: Sam Smith Subject: Re: CIDOC or PAPYRUS as an Ontology for Historical Information Dear Mr. Smith, There are dozens or may be hundreds of CIDOC CRM extensions. Most do not come to our attention . Many are created because people do not take their time to understand the concepts in depth. If they come in contact with us, we do everything to provide good consulting. Here, the creators extended the ontology with what we call "terminology", i.e., classes which do not introduce new relevant relationships in order to connect things to facts. They are just for classification, such as "forest". That does not make a "history ontology" in the proper sense. In confuses geographic classification and others with the core notion of history. We recommend to keep a system of concepts for classification, albeit a "formal ontology", separate from the ontology that provides relationship semantics. To our understanding, the CIDOC CRM has a fairly complete coverage of history in the mechanical sense. By coverage we mean to provide generalizations that cover the phenomena in the domain of interest. Specializations may elaborate general relationships into more specific patterns of behavior. For instance, Steffen Hennicke from the Humboldt University in Berlin is working on an extension of CRM to detail into things like political activities and archival recording, which introduces two or three new classes such as "expression of will". So, I'd recommend you just use CIDOC CRM as is, and combine via "P2 has type" with adequate vocabularies. If you like, I can subscribe you to crm-sig mailing list, then you can discuss directly with all experts. You are also kindly invited to join our next meeting in Oxford, Feb 9-12, and shortly present your project. Please do not hesitate to ask me any questions. As first reading, look at: http://www.cidoc-crm.org/cidoc_tutorial/index.html (better take the three hours time to see this!) and then recommendations on: http://www.cidoc-crm.org/comprehensive_intro.html Best season greetings, Martin ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] WikiData for Research Project Idea: Structured History
Hoi. The fact that ISO has its standards behind a paywall is its shame. However, it does not necessarily imply anything about the use of the standard. Thanks, Gerard NB a paywall seriously hampers acceptance of standards On 29 December 2014 at 12:20, Jeff Thompson wrote: > The ISO standard for CIDOC CRM is behind a pay wall with a patent notice. > Can it be used in an open knowledge system? > > > On 2014-12-29 9:49, Dov Winer wrote: > > Hi Sam, > > CIDOC/CRM is the ontology of choice for Structured History > as it is anchored on modelling events. > > An excellent project based on it is the ResearchSpace from > the British Museum. > See: > http://www.researchspace.org/ > http://www.researchspace.org/home/rsandcrm > http://cidoc-crm.org/ > > Enjoy, > Dov > > > ___ > Wikidata-l mailing > listWikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > > > > ___ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > > ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] WikiData for Research Project Idea: Structured History
The ISO standard for CIDOC CRM is behind a pay wall with a patent notice. Can it be used in an open knowledge system? On 2014-12-29 9:49, Dov Winer wrote: Hi Sam, CIDOC/CRM is the ontology of choice for Structured History as it is anchored on modelling events. An excellent project based on it is the ResearchSpace from the British Museum. See: http://www.researchspace.org/ http://www.researchspace.org/home/rsandcrm http://cidoc-crm.org/ Enjoy, Dov ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] WikiData for Research Project Idea: Structured History
How could we model events in Wikidata ? Thanks, GerardM On 29 December 2014 at 09:49, Dov Winer wrote: > Hi Sam, > > CIDOC/CRM is the ontology of choice for Structured History > as it is anchored on modelling events. > > An excellent project based on it is the ResearchSpace from > the British Museum. > See: > http://www.researchspace.org/ > http://www.researchspace.org/home/rsandcrm > http://cidoc-crm.org/ > > Enjoy, > Dov > > ___ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > > ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] WikiData for Research Project Idea: Structured History
Hi Sam, CIDOC/CRM is the ontology of choice for Structured History as it is anchored on modelling events. An excellent project based on it is the ResearchSpace from the British Museum. See: http://www.researchspace.org/ http://www.researchspace.org/home/rsandcrm http://cidoc-crm.org/ Enjoy, Dov ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
