Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: Hi, [ Aude and Christian Consonni, this should especially interest you. ] I was throwing around ideas with a friend about how OpenStreetMap could be integrated with Wikidata. The thing that I care the most in any software is internationalization. Having a map in which all labels of towns, streets and everything else is translated to all languages sounds like a super-wonderful thing. Wikidata allows labeling everything, translating everything, and attaching properties to everything, so it sounds like it could be a good match. But then the question of what IS everything came up. Wikidata was created mostly with Wikipedia in mind, so Wikipedia's notability policies influenced Wikidata. Roughly, Wikidata has items for every thing about which there is, or can be, a Wikipedia article and for things that are useful, or if it fulfills some structural need https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Notability. Towns obviously have or can a Wikipedia article about them, but probably not every street or shop. At minimum, supporting Wikivoyage is within scope of Wikidata, so imho items for shops would be ok. (at least the ones that would be used in Wikivoyage) I am not sure about streets... maybe, it depends and is up to the community (what extent we want them) and scalability (technical and community) might be considerations. As well, in Wikidata, we want references. For the OSM use case, for streets, I think the osm name tags are sufficient. Transliteration of street names definitely makes sense, but maybe can be autogenerated? In some cases multilingual (e.g. in Brussels), actual translations might be desired, and think osm supports that adequately. Katie But do they fulfill a structural need or is it way too much? If it's way too much, how can this be bridged, or federated, or whatever the current popular word is? I don't even know exactly how does OSM store labels and translations now, but it sounds like another instance of Wikibase, if not Wikidata itself, can be used for it. I don't have much to add, but I'd love to hear ideas from people who do (again, Aude and Christian Consonni, I'm looking at you :) ). -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l -- @wikimediadc / @wikidata ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata:List of properties/Summary table
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 8:57 PM, Markus Krötzsch mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org wrote: On 11/06/14 20:49, Bene* wrote: Am 11.06.2014 17:27, schrieb Markus Krötzsch: Yes, I know what you mean. I'd love to integrate property group information into our view as well, but I don't know where to get this information from (other than by scraping it from the wiki page, which does not seem to be right). Any pointers to where these groups are managed? Currently information about properties is only stored on their talk pages but I think the wikidata development team is working on claims for properties so we can store such information in a more structured way. I know, but, for example, P303 is listed under animal breeds on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:List_of_properties/Summary_table whereas I cannot find this information on: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P303 I wonder if this information is really anywhere else but in the code of the bot maintainer ... speaking unofficially... These pages are maintained are using lua (@note in a bit hacky way, loading the raw json contents in the internal format). I don't think a bot is involved, afaik. That's also the reason for the script errors, doing too many expensive lua calls on a single page. I do notice the number of script errors is less than it used to be. Solutions might be to allow less hacky ways to access property info in lua, although not so trivial / quick to be able to implement this afaik. A special page is another option though it might not be as flexible in allowing free form contents vs a simple list with and filterable by data type etc. Otherwise, maybe a bot can help? Cheers, Katie Regards, Markus However, I am not sure how soon this will be released. Regards, Bene PS: Someone who knows the tracking bug for this around? ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l -- @wikimediadc / @wikidata ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata:List of properties/Summary table
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 9:13 PM, Bene* benestar.wikime...@gmail.com wrote: The bot operator seems to parse the content of the Wikidata:List of properties https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:List_of_properties/Summary_table subpages, see https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_permissions/Bot/BetaBot_4. So the P303 is listed under animal breeds because it is also listed there on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:List_of_properties/Terms#Animal_breeds. This obviously is not a good place to store such data but I am sure once we have claims for properties we will be able to parse this and add the information to the properties it belongs to. sorry, though we were talking about https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:List_of_properties/all which has also been problematic yet is / has potential to be very useful. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:List_of_properties/Summary_table is maintained by a bot (as well as lua, which explains the script errors) Cheers, Katie Am 11.06.2014 20:57, schrieb Markus Krötzsch: On 11/06/14 20:49, Bene* wrote: Am 11.06.2014 17:27, schrieb Markus Krötzsch: Yes, I know what you mean. I'd love to integrate property group information into our view as well, but I don't know where to get this information from (other than by scraping it from the wiki page, which does not seem to be right). Any pointers to where these groups are managed? Currently information about properties is only stored on their talk pages but I think the wikidata development team is working on claims for properties so we can store such information in a more structured way. I know, but, for example, P303 is listed under animal breeds on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:List_of_properties/Summary_table whereas I cannot find this information on: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P303 I wonder if this information is really anywhere else but in the code of the bot maintainer ... Regards, Markus However, I am not sure how soon this will be released. Regards, Bene PS: Someone who knows the tracking bug for this around? ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l -- @wikimediadc / @wikidata ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata:List of properties/Summary table
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 9:17 PM, aude aude.w...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 9:13 PM, Bene* benestar.wikime...@gmail.com wrote: The bot operator seems to parse the content of the Wikidata:List of properties https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:List_of_properties/Summary_table subpages, see https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_permissions/Bot/BetaBot_4. So the P303 is listed under animal breeds because it is also listed there on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:List_of_properties/Terms#Animal_breeds. This obviously is not a good place to store such data but I am sure once we have claims for properties we will be able to parse this and add the information to the properties it belongs to. sorry, though we were talking about https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:List_of_properties/all which has also been problematic yet is / has potential to be very useful. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:List_of_properties/Summary_table is maintained by a bot (as well as lua, which explains the script errors) https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47071 and https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=55570 are the relevant bugs Katie Cheers, Katie ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l -- @wikimediadc / @wikidata -- @wikimediadc / @wikidata ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
