Re: [Wikidata-l] Conflict of Interest policy for Wikidata
Yay! I would love to see it featured on the Wikidata main page! Let's slashdot ACM :) On Thu Jan 08 2015 at 6:11:57 AM wrote: > Prior to viewing Markus Krötzsch's Wikidata page, I was unaware of the > "Wikidata: A Free Collaborative Knowledgebase" article [1] written by > Denny Vrandečić and Markus Krötzsch. This is a very helpful article > that in my opinion should be featured on the Wikidata main page. > > [1] http://cacm.acm.org/magazines/2014/10/178785-wikidata/fulltext > > Regards, > James Weaver > > On Wed, Jan 7, 2015, at 05:14 PM, Markus Krötzsch wrote: > > Irrespective of the general policy discussion, I have now been bold and > > changed my item and user page to record that relationship as by my > > earlier suggestion (as copied below): > > > > https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q18618630 > > > > I was wondering if, given that we have single signon, "website account > > on" should point to "Wikidata" or to "Wikimedia" or something else. But > > besides this minor point this seems to be a nice way to have COI > > declarations in the data (would also be interesting to know which living > > people have official Wikimedia accounts). > > > > Cheers, > > > > Markus > > > > On 07.01.2015 15:25, Markus Krötzsch wrote: > > ... > > > > > > In addition, there should be a template that one can use on one's user > > > page to disclose that one is the person described in a certain item. > > > Conversely, we should also use our "website account on" property (P553) > > > to connect living people to their Wikidata user account, so the COI is > > > recorded in the data. One could further disclose other COIs on one's > > > user page in some standard format, but maybe with Wikidata we could > > > actually derive such COIs automatically (your family members, the > > > companies you founded, the university you graduated from, etc. can all > > > be specified in data). > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Markus > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Wikidata-l mailing list > > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > > ___ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Conflict of Interest policy for Wikidata
Prior to viewing Markus Krötzsch's Wikidata page, I was unaware of the "Wikidata: A Free Collaborative Knowledgebase" article [1] written by Denny Vrandečić and Markus Krötzsch. This is a very helpful article that in my opinion should be featured on the Wikidata main page. [1] http://cacm.acm.org/magazines/2014/10/178785-wikidata/fulltext Regards, James Weaver On Wed, Jan 7, 2015, at 05:14 PM, Markus Krötzsch wrote: > Irrespective of the general policy discussion, I have now been bold and > changed my item and user page to record that relationship as by my > earlier suggestion (as copied below): > > https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q18618630 > > I was wondering if, given that we have single signon, "website account > on" should point to "Wikidata" or to "Wikimedia" or something else. But > besides this minor point this seems to be a nice way to have COI > declarations in the data (would also be interesting to know which living > people have official Wikimedia accounts). > > Cheers, > > Markus > > On 07.01.2015 15:25, Markus Krötzsch wrote: > ... > > > > In addition, there should be a template that one can use on one's user > > page to disclose that one is the person described in a certain item. > > Conversely, we should also use our "website account on" property (P553) > > to connect living people to their Wikidata user account, so the COI is > > recorded in the data. One could further disclose other COIs on one's > > user page in some standard format, but maybe with Wikidata we could > > actually derive such COIs automatically (your family members, the > > companies you founded, the university you graduated from, etc. can all > > be specified in data). > > > > Cheers, > > > > Markus > > > > > > ___ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Conflict of Interest policy for Wikidata
Hoi, Markus, is there no public domain picture for you... Please let it be a flattering picture.. and please add it yourself... I love the argument people make when they want to imply that you are not that good looking Thanks, Gerard https://tools.wmflabs.org/reasonator/?q=Q18618630 On 7 January 2015 at 23:14, Markus Krötzsch wrote: > Irrespective of the general policy discussion, I have now been bold and > changed my item and user page to record that relationship as by my earlier > suggestion (as copied below): > > https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q18618630 > > I was wondering if, given that we have single signon, "website account on" > should point to "Wikidata" or to "Wikimedia" or something else. But besides > this minor point this seems to be a nice way to have COI declarations in > the data (would also be interesting to know which living people have > official Wikimedia accounts). > > Cheers, > > Markus > > On 07.01.2015 15:25, Markus Krötzsch wrote: > ... > >> >> In addition, there should be a template that one can use on one's user >> page to disclose that one is the person described in a certain item. >> Conversely, we should also use our "website account on" property (P553) >> to connect living people to their Wikidata user account, so the COI is >> recorded in the data. One could further disclose other COIs on one's >> user page in some standard format, but maybe with Wikidata we could >> actually derive such COIs automatically (your family members, the >> companies you founded, the university you graduated from, etc. can all >> be specified in data). >> >> Cheers, >> >> Markus >> >> >> > ___ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Conflict of Interest policy for Wikidata
Irrespective of the general policy discussion, I have now been bold and changed my item and user page to record that relationship as by my earlier suggestion (as copied below): https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q18618630 I was wondering if, given that we have single signon, "website account on" should point to "Wikidata" or to "Wikimedia" or something else. But besides this minor point this seems to be a nice way to have COI declarations in the data (would also be interesting to know which living people have official Wikimedia accounts). Cheers, Markus On 07.01.2015 15:25, Markus Krötzsch wrote: ... In addition, there should be a template that one can use on one's user page to disclose that one is the person described in a certain item. Conversely, we should also use our "website account on" property (P553) to connect living people to their Wikidata user account, so the COI is recorded in the data. One could further disclose other COIs on one's user page in some standard format, but maybe with Wikidata we could actually derive such COIs automatically (your family members, the companies you founded, the university you graduated from, etc. can all be specified in data). Cheers, Markus ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Conflict of Interest policy for Wikidata
On 7 January 2015 at 20:29, Nicolas Torzec wrote: > Also, when adding information to Wikipedia/Wikidata, it is best practice > (but not mandatory) to provide external references backing up your claims. Some property values are self referencing; VIAF and ORCID identifiers, for instance, thanks to the "Formatter URL" of their respective properties. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Conflict of Interest policy for Wikidata
Hoi, English Wikipedia is not Wikipedia. It certainly is not any other project. I certainly do not want the policies of English Wikipedia. It is bad enough for en,wp itself Thanks, GerardM On 7 January 2015 at 19:26, Peter F. Patel-Schneider wrote: > Wikipedia has already addressed this question. See > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Autobiography. In summary, one > should not add or change information about oneself, unless the change could > not be considered to be non-controversial or there is some reason that a > change should be made and the reasons for the change are laid out in a talk > page. This is pretty much just the general conflict of interest guidelines > applied to information about oneself, I think. > > There was an instance of someone writing their own Wikipedia entry. (I'm > not linking to information about the issue to somewhat hide the identity of > the guilty.) The end of the discussion was that the page would not be > taken down. The decision hinged, in part, on how easy it would be to > anonymously enter or change information about oneself, so forbidding this > kind of activity is impossible to police. The best that can be done is to > point out that this kind of activity is strongly discouraged. > > I think that the Wikipedia policy should be carried over directly to > Wikidata. It lets responsible individuals fix or point out errors > concerning information about them, but has strong admonitions against > making any other kind of changes to this information. > > Peter F. Patel-Schneider > > > On 01/07/2015 06:25 AM, Markus Krötzsch wrote: > >> Back to Denny's original question: >> >> Does anybody see a specific danger of abuse if living people get to edit >> their >> own data right now? Entering wrong claims deliberately would maybe not be >> the >> biggest issue here (since it is already in conflict with other general >> policies -- we do not want wrong data, whoever is entering it -- and the >> fact >> that we want to rely on external sources for all non-obvious data would >> still >> apply). Could it be problematic if somebody enters too much/too detailed >> data >> on their own person? Could somebody use this to place links to external >> web >> content (spam) hidden in personal properties? But this, again, would >> probably >> conflict with other policies too, and it does not seem to be a problem >> specific to the particular POVs that a living person may have. Any other >> ideas >> of possible abuse? My main question is: where could POV be an issue when >> entering (externally referenced) data of the granularity that we have? >> >> Some proposals of what we could allow/forbid that are specific to our >> special >> form of content: >> >> * Allow living people to edit certain properties on their own page >> (whitelist)? I currently don't see any way of really abusing things like >> birthdate, given name, etc. that are just personal properties, unless >> maybe in >> rare cases where there is a real dispute (maybe a living person who >> insists on >> being younger than he really is?). >> >> * Alternatively, maybe it could even be enough to have a blacklist of >> certain >> properties that one could be using in illegitimate ways (no specific idea >> now >> what this might be). >> >> * I would also allow people to set their labels and reasonable aliases, >> but >> not have them enter any descriptions (could be POVed). >> >> >> If living people are asked to not edit all or certain parts of their >> entity, >> then there needs be a process for them to report errors. I would not like >> wrong information to be broadcasted about me on Wikidata without having >> any >> way to get it fixed. >> >> In addition, there should be a template that one can use on one's user >> page to >> disclose that one is the person described in a certain item. Conversely, >> we >> should also use our "website account on" property (P553) to connect living >> people to their Wikidata user account, so the COI is recorded in the >> data. One >> could further disclose other COIs on one's user page in some standard >> format, >> but maybe with Wikidata we could actually derive such COIs automatically >> (your >> family members, the companies you founded, the university you graduated >> from, >> etc. can all be specified in data). >> >> Cheers, >> >> Markus >> >> >> On 04.01.2015 19:57, Andy Mabbett wrote: >> >>> Yes. they can. That's stated explicitly: >>> >>> A Wikimedia Project community may adopt an alternative paid >>> contribution >>> disclosure policy. If a Project adopts an alternative disclosure >>> policy, you may >>> comply with that policy instead of the requirements in this >>> section when >>> contributing to that Project. >>> >>> And Commons, for one, has already done so: >>> >>> >>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Paid_ >>> contribution_disclosure_policy >>> >>> which says in full: >>> >>> The Wikimedia Commons community does not require a
Re: [Wikidata-l] Conflict of Interest policy for Wikidata
Also, when adding information to Wikipedia/Wikidata, it is best practice (but not mandatory) to provide external references backing up your claims. Nicolas. On Wednesday, January 7, 2015 10:26 AM, Peter F. Patel-Schneider wrote: Wikipedia has already addressed this question. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Autobiography. In summary, one should not add or change information about oneself, unless the change could not be considered to be non-controversial or there is some reason that a change should be made and the reasons for the change are laid out in a talk page. This is pretty much just the general conflict of interest guidelines applied to information about oneself, I think. There was an instance of someone writing their own Wikipedia entry. (I'm not linking to information about the issue to somewhat hide the identity of the guilty.) The end of the discussion was that the page would not be taken down. The decision hinged, in part, on how easy it would be to anonymously enter or change information about oneself, so forbidding this kind of activity is impossible to police. The best that can be done is to point out that this kind of activity is strongly discouraged. I think that the Wikipedia policy should be carried over directly to Wikidata. It lets responsible individuals fix or point out errors concerning information about them, but has strong admonitions against making any other kind of changes to this information. Peter F. Patel-Schneider On 01/07/2015 06:25 AM, Markus Krötzsch wrote: > Back to Denny's original question: > > Does anybody see a specific danger of abuse if living people get to edit their > own data right now? Entering wrong claims deliberately would maybe not be the > biggest issue here (since it is already in conflict with other general > policies -- we do not want wrong data, whoever is entering it -- and the fact > that we want to rely on external sources for all non-obvious data would still > apply). Could it be problematic if somebody enters too much/too detailed data > on their own person? Could somebody use this to place links to external web > content (spam) hidden in personal properties? But this, again, would probably > conflict with other policies too, and it does not seem to be a problem > specific to the particular POVs that a living person may have. Any other ideas > of possible abuse? My main question is: where could POV be an issue when > entering (externally referenced) data of the granularity that we have? > > Some proposals of what we could allow/forbid that are specific to our special > form of content: > > * Allow living people to edit certain properties on their own page > (whitelist)? I currently don't see any way of really abusing things like > birthdate, given name, etc. that are just personal properties, unless maybe in > rare cases where there is a real dispute (maybe a living person who insists on > being younger than he really is?). > > * Alternatively, maybe it could even be enough to have a blacklist of certain > properties that one could be using in illegitimate ways (no specific idea now > what this might be). > > * I would also allow people to set their labels and reasonable aliases, but > not have them enter any descriptions (could be POVed). > > > If living people are asked to not edit all or certain parts of their entity, > then there needs be a process for them to report errors. I would not like > wrong information to be broadcasted about me on Wikidata without having any > way to get it fixed. > > In addition, there should be a template that one can use on one's user page to > disclose that one is the person described in a certain item. Conversely, we > should also use our "website account on" property (P553) to connect living > people to their Wikidata user account, so the COI is recorded in the data. One > could further disclose other COIs on one's user page in some standard format, > but maybe with Wikidata we could actually derive such COIs automatically (your > family members, the companies you founded, the university you graduated from, > etc. can all be specified in data). > > Cheers, > > Markus > > > On 04.01.2015 19:57, Andy Mabbett wrote: >> Yes. they can. That's stated explicitly: >> >> A Wikimedia Project community may adopt an alternative paid contribution >> disclosure policy. If a Project adopts an alternative disclosure >> policy, you may >> comply with that policy instead of the requirements in this section when >> contributing to that Project. >> >> And Commons, for one, has already done so: >> >> >> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Paid_contribution_disclosure_policy >> >> which says in full: >> >> The Wikimedia Commons community does not require any disclosure of paid >> contributions from its contributors. >> >> >> On 4 January 2015 at 07:40, Jasper Deng wrote: >>> @Andy: no, the terms of use are the minimum because since a user m
Re: [Wikidata-l] Conflict of Interest policy for Wikidata
Wikipedia has already addressed this question. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Autobiography. In summary, one should not add or change information about oneself, unless the change could not be considered to be non-controversial or there is some reason that a change should be made and the reasons for the change are laid out in a talk page. This is pretty much just the general conflict of interest guidelines applied to information about oneself, I think. There was an instance of someone writing their own Wikipedia entry. (I'm not linking to information about the issue to somewhat hide the identity of the guilty.) The end of the discussion was that the page would not be taken down. The decision hinged, in part, on how easy it would be to anonymously enter or change information about oneself, so forbidding this kind of activity is impossible to police. The best that can be done is to point out that this kind of activity is strongly discouraged. I think that the Wikipedia policy should be carried over directly to Wikidata. It lets responsible individuals fix or point out errors concerning information about them, but has strong admonitions against making any other kind of changes to this information. Peter F. Patel-Schneider On 01/07/2015 06:25 AM, Markus Krötzsch wrote: Back to Denny's original question: Does anybody see a specific danger of abuse if living people get to edit their own data right now? Entering wrong claims deliberately would maybe not be the biggest issue here (since it is already in conflict with other general policies -- we do not want wrong data, whoever is entering it -- and the fact that we want to rely on external sources for all non-obvious data would still apply). Could it be problematic if somebody enters too much/too detailed data on their own person? Could somebody use this to place links to external web content (spam) hidden in personal properties? But this, again, would probably conflict with other policies too, and it does not seem to be a problem specific to the particular POVs that a living person may have. Any other ideas of possible abuse? My main question is: where could POV be an issue when entering (externally referenced) data of the granularity that we have? Some proposals of what we could allow/forbid that are specific to our special form of content: * Allow living people to edit certain properties on their own page (whitelist)? I currently don't see any way of really abusing things like birthdate, given name, etc. that are just personal properties, unless maybe in rare cases where there is a real dispute (maybe a living person who insists on being younger than he really is?). * Alternatively, maybe it could even be enough to have a blacklist of certain properties that one could be using in illegitimate ways (no specific idea now what this might be). * I would also allow people to set their labels and reasonable aliases, but not have them enter any descriptions (could be POVed). If living people are asked to not edit all or certain parts of their entity, then there needs be a process for them to report errors. I would not like wrong information to be broadcasted about me on Wikidata without having any way to get it fixed. In addition, there should be a template that one can use on one's user page to disclose that one is the person described in a certain item. Conversely, we should also use our "website account on" property (P553) to connect living people to their Wikidata user account, so the COI is recorded in the data. One could further disclose other COIs on one's user page in some standard format, but maybe with Wikidata we could actually derive such COIs automatically (your family members, the companies you founded, the university you graduated from, etc. can all be specified in data). Cheers, Markus On 04.01.2015 19:57, Andy Mabbett wrote: Yes. they can. That's stated explicitly: A Wikimedia Project community may adopt an alternative paid contribution disclosure policy. If a Project adopts an alternative disclosure policy, you may comply with that policy instead of the requirements in this section when contributing to that Project. And Commons, for one, has already done so: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Paid_contribution_disclosure_policy which says in full: The Wikimedia Commons community does not require any disclosure of paid contributions from its contributors. On 4 January 2015 at 07:40, Jasper Deng wrote: @Andy: no, the terms of use are the minimum because since a user must legally accept them when editing a project, everyone is bound by them by virtue of editing. Local projects cannot override that. On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: On 3 January 2015 at 18:13, Joe Filceolaire wrote: The terms of use are the minimum requirements. Each wiki may have more requirements. No, they are the *default* requirements. Each wiki may
Re: [Wikidata-l] Conflict of Interest policy for Wikidata
Markus, Denny and Wikidatans, I don't, Markus. In the information age, this seems to be a widespread and helpful practice in general (e.g. in LinkedIn and for some medical records,, for example). On the benefits of this side, this is a way for Wikidata to get most accurate, and potentially, timely data about people. Are there further criteria Wikidata might add to lessen misrepresentations, etc., or to make more explicit what personal information is welcome, building on past Wikipedia experience in particular here, and not a conflict of interest? Also, concerning POV, are there sociocultural or linguistic differences in interlingually Wikidata, here that might be relevant? Would people in India in Hindi represent their own personal data (e.g. due to traditions of spiritual "selflessness") differently from Swedes in Swedish (due to a different history of "knowledge generating practices"), for example, that are worth addressing with specific criteria? In what ways has Wikipedia addressed this already? Cheers, Scott On Jan 7, 2015 6:33 AM, "Markus Krötzsch" wrote: > P.S. I also should declare a COI on this discussion: I am Q18618630. -- > Markus > > On 07.01.2015 15:25, Markus Krötzsch wrote: > >> Back to Denny's original question: >> >> Does anybody see a specific danger of abuse if living people get to edit >> their own data right now? Entering wrong claims deliberately would maybe >> not be the biggest issue here (since it is already in conflict with >> other general policies -- we do not want wrong data, whoever is entering >> it -- and the fact that we want to rely on external sources for all >> non-obvious data would still apply). Could it be problematic if somebody >> enters too much/too detailed data on their own person? Could somebody >> use this to place links to external web content (spam) hidden in >> personal properties? But this, again, would probably conflict with other >> policies too, and it does not seem to be a problem specific to the >> particular POVs that a living person may have. Any other ideas of >> possible abuse? My main question is: where could POV be an issue when >> entering (externally referenced) data of the granularity that we have? >> >> Some proposals of what we could allow/forbid that are specific to our >> special form of content: >> >> * Allow living people to edit certain properties on their own page >> (whitelist)? I currently don't see any way of really abusing things like >> birthdate, given name, etc. that are just personal properties, unless >> maybe in rare cases where there is a real dispute (maybe a living person >> who insists on being younger than he really is?). >> >> * Alternatively, maybe it could even be enough to have a blacklist of >> certain properties that one could be using in illegitimate ways (no >> specific idea now what this might be). >> >> * I would also allow people to set their labels and reasonable aliases, >> but not have them enter any descriptions (could be POVed). >> >> >> If living people are asked to not edit all or certain parts of their >> entity, then there needs be a process for them to report errors. I would >> not like wrong information to be broadcasted about me on Wikidata >> without having any way to get it fixed. >> >> In addition, there should be a template that one can use on one's user >> page to disclose that one is the person described in a certain item. >> Conversely, we should also use our "website account on" property (P553) >> to connect living people to their Wikidata user account, so the COI is >> recorded in the data. One could further disclose other COIs on one's >> user page in some standard format, but maybe with Wikidata we could >> actually derive such COIs automatically (your family members, the >> companies you founded, the university you graduated from, etc. can all >> be specified in data). >> >> Cheers, >> >> Markus >> >> >> On 04.01.2015 19:57, Andy Mabbett wrote: >> >>> Yes. they can. That's stated explicitly: >>> >>> A Wikimedia Project community may adopt an alternative paid >>> contribution >>> disclosure policy. If a Project adopts an alternative disclosure >>> policy, you may >>> comply with that policy instead of the requirements in this >>> section when >>> contributing to that Project. >>> >>> And Commons, for one, has already done so: >>> >>> >>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Paid_ >>> contribution_disclosure_policy >>> >>> >>> which says in full: >>> >>> The Wikimedia Commons community does not require any disclosure >>> of paid >>> contributions from its contributors. >>> >>> >>> On 4 January 2015 at 07:40, Jasper Deng >>> wrote: >>> @Andy: no, the terms of use are the minimum because since a user must legally accept them when editing a project, everyone is bound by them by virtue of editing. Local projects cannot override that. On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: > > On 3
Re: [Wikidata-l] Conflict of Interest policy for Wikidata
P.S. I also should declare a COI on this discussion: I am Q18618630. -- Markus On 07.01.2015 15:25, Markus Krötzsch wrote: Back to Denny's original question: Does anybody see a specific danger of abuse if living people get to edit their own data right now? Entering wrong claims deliberately would maybe not be the biggest issue here (since it is already in conflict with other general policies -- we do not want wrong data, whoever is entering it -- and the fact that we want to rely on external sources for all non-obvious data would still apply). Could it be problematic if somebody enters too much/too detailed data on their own person? Could somebody use this to place links to external web content (spam) hidden in personal properties? But this, again, would probably conflict with other policies too, and it does not seem to be a problem specific to the particular POVs that a living person may have. Any other ideas of possible abuse? My main question is: where could POV be an issue when entering (externally referenced) data of the granularity that we have? Some proposals of what we could allow/forbid that are specific to our special form of content: * Allow living people to edit certain properties on their own page (whitelist)? I currently don't see any way of really abusing things like birthdate, given name, etc. that are just personal properties, unless maybe in rare cases where there is a real dispute (maybe a living person who insists on being younger than he really is?). * Alternatively, maybe it could even be enough to have a blacklist of certain properties that one could be using in illegitimate ways (no specific idea now what this might be). * I would also allow people to set their labels and reasonable aliases, but not have them enter any descriptions (could be POVed). If living people are asked to not edit all or certain parts of their entity, then there needs be a process for them to report errors. I would not like wrong information to be broadcasted about me on Wikidata without having any way to get it fixed. In addition, there should be a template that one can use on one's user page to disclose that one is the person described in a certain item. Conversely, we should also use our "website account on" property (P553) to connect living people to their Wikidata user account, so the COI is recorded in the data. One could further disclose other COIs on one's user page in some standard format, but maybe with Wikidata we could actually derive such COIs automatically (your family members, the companies you founded, the university you graduated from, etc. can all be specified in data). Cheers, Markus On 04.01.2015 19:57, Andy Mabbett wrote: Yes. they can. That's stated explicitly: A Wikimedia Project community may adopt an alternative paid contribution disclosure policy. If a Project adopts an alternative disclosure policy, you may comply with that policy instead of the requirements in this section when contributing to that Project. And Commons, for one, has already done so: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Paid_contribution_disclosure_policy which says in full: The Wikimedia Commons community does not require any disclosure of paid contributions from its contributors. On 4 January 2015 at 07:40, Jasper Deng wrote: @Andy: no, the terms of use are the minimum because since a user must legally accept them when editing a project, everyone is bound by them by virtue of editing. Local projects cannot override that. On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: On 3 January 2015 at 18:13, Joe Filceolaire wrote: The terms of use are the minimum requirements. Each wiki may have more requirements. No, they are the *default* requirements. Each wiki may have *different* requirements. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Conflict of Interest policy for Wikidata
Back to Denny's original question: Does anybody see a specific danger of abuse if living people get to edit their own data right now? Entering wrong claims deliberately would maybe not be the biggest issue here (since it is already in conflict with other general policies -- we do not want wrong data, whoever is entering it -- and the fact that we want to rely on external sources for all non-obvious data would still apply). Could it be problematic if somebody enters too much/too detailed data on their own person? Could somebody use this to place links to external web content (spam) hidden in personal properties? But this, again, would probably conflict with other policies too, and it does not seem to be a problem specific to the particular POVs that a living person may have. Any other ideas of possible abuse? My main question is: where could POV be an issue when entering (externally referenced) data of the granularity that we have? Some proposals of what we could allow/forbid that are specific to our special form of content: * Allow living people to edit certain properties on their own page (whitelist)? I currently don't see any way of really abusing things like birthdate, given name, etc. that are just personal properties, unless maybe in rare cases where there is a real dispute (maybe a living person who insists on being younger than he really is?). * Alternatively, maybe it could even be enough to have a blacklist of certain properties that one could be using in illegitimate ways (no specific idea now what this might be). * I would also allow people to set their labels and reasonable aliases, but not have them enter any descriptions (could be POVed). If living people are asked to not edit all or certain parts of their entity, then there needs be a process for them to report errors. I would not like wrong information to be broadcasted about me on Wikidata without having any way to get it fixed. In addition, there should be a template that one can use on one's user page to disclose that one is the person described in a certain item. Conversely, we should also use our "website account on" property (P553) to connect living people to their Wikidata user account, so the COI is recorded in the data. One could further disclose other COIs on one's user page in some standard format, but maybe with Wikidata we could actually derive such COIs automatically (your family members, the companies you founded, the university you graduated from, etc. can all be specified in data). Cheers, Markus On 04.01.2015 19:57, Andy Mabbett wrote: Yes. they can. That's stated explicitly: A Wikimedia Project community may adopt an alternative paid contribution disclosure policy. If a Project adopts an alternative disclosure policy, you may comply with that policy instead of the requirements in this section when contributing to that Project. And Commons, for one, has already done so: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Paid_contribution_disclosure_policy which says in full: The Wikimedia Commons community does not require any disclosure of paid contributions from its contributors. On 4 January 2015 at 07:40, Jasper Deng wrote: @Andy: no, the terms of use are the minimum because since a user must legally accept them when editing a project, everyone is bound by them by virtue of editing. Local projects cannot override that. On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: On 3 January 2015 at 18:13, Joe Filceolaire wrote: The terms of use are the minimum requirements. Each wiki may have more requirements. No, they are the *default* requirements. Each wiki may have *different* requirements. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
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Yes. they can. That's stated explicitly: A Wikimedia Project community may adopt an alternative paid contribution disclosure policy. If a Project adopts an alternative disclosure policy, you may comply with that policy instead of the requirements in this section when contributing to that Project. And Commons, for one, has already done so: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Paid_contribution_disclosure_policy which says in full: The Wikimedia Commons community does not require any disclosure of paid contributions from its contributors. On 4 January 2015 at 07:40, Jasper Deng wrote: > @Andy: no, the terms of use are the minimum because since a user must > legally accept them when editing a project, everyone is bound by them by > virtue of editing. Local projects cannot override that. > > On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Andy Mabbett > wrote: >> >> On 3 January 2015 at 18:13, Joe Filceolaire wrote: >> >>> >>> The terms of use are the minimum requirements. Each wiki may have more >>> requirements. >> >> >> No, they are the *default* requirements. Each wiki may have *different* >> requirements. >> >> -- >> Andy Mabbett >> @pigsonthewing >> http://pigsonthewing.org.uk >> >> ___ >> Wikidata-l mailing list >> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >> > > > ___ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
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I can't imagine anyone reading these mails who has never hit the edit button at least once on some random Wikimedia project. Could it possibly be entertaining otherwise? For the sorry few who need to read these mails for their work (whatever that may be), they have my sympathy. On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 11:36 AM, John Lewis wrote: > > Love this thread - Happy New Year, to all of you TOU groupies! I bet half >> of the lurkers on this list never even clicked on the meta page >> > > Half of the lurkers on this list probably don't even edit Wikimedia. > > John Lewis > > > -- > John Lewis > > ___ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > > ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
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> Love this thread - Happy New Year, to all of you TOU groupies! I bet half > of the lurkers on this list never even clicked on the meta page > Half of the lurkers on this list probably don't even edit Wikimedia. John Lewis -- John Lewis ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
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Love this thread - Happy New Year, to all of you TOU groupies! I bet half of the lurkers on this list never even clicked on the meta page On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > You say this based on what? As far as I am aware Andy is right. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 4 January 2015 at 08:40, Jasper Deng wrote: > >> @Andy: no, the terms of use *are* the minimum because since a user must >> legally accept them when editing a project, everyone is bound by them by >> virtue of editing. Local projects cannot override that. >> >> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Andy Mabbett >> wrote: >> >>> On 3 January 2015 at 18:13, Joe Filceolaire >>> wrote: >>> >>> The terms of use are the minimum requirements. Each wiki may have more requirements. >>> >>> >>> No, they are the *default* requirements. Each wiki may have *different* >>> requirements. >>> >>> -- >>> Andy Mabbett >>> @pigsonthewing >>> http://pigsonthewing.org.uk >>> >>> ___ >>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>> >>> >> >> ___ >> Wikidata-l mailing list >> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >> >> > > ___ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > > ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
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Hoi, You say this based on what? As far as I am aware Andy is right. Thanks, GerardM On 4 January 2015 at 08:40, Jasper Deng wrote: > @Andy: no, the terms of use *are* the minimum because since a user must > legally accept them when editing a project, everyone is bound by them by > virtue of editing. Local projects cannot override that. > > On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Andy Mabbett > wrote: > >> On 3 January 2015 at 18:13, Joe Filceolaire >> wrote: >> >> >>> The terms of use are the minimum requirements. Each wiki may have more >>> requirements. >> >> >> No, they are the *default* requirements. Each wiki may have *different* >> requirements. >> >> -- >> Andy Mabbett >> @pigsonthewing >> http://pigsonthewing.org.uk >> >> ___ >> Wikidata-l mailing list >> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >> >> > > ___ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > > ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
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Jasper Deng, 04/01/2015 08:40: @Andy: no, the terms of use /are/ the minimum because since a user must legally accept them when editing a project, everyone is bound by them by virtue of editing. Local projects cannot override that. Correct in general, but not for the last paragraph of article 4, which is what Andy was talking about. Setting a different (alternative) policy is in compliance with article 4 and there is no "minimum". https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Terms_of_use#paid-contrib-disclosure On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Andy Mabbett Nemo ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
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@Andy: no, the terms of use *are* the minimum because since a user must legally accept them when editing a project, everyone is bound by them by virtue of editing. Local projects cannot override that. On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: > On 3 January 2015 at 18:13, Joe Filceolaire wrote: > > >> The terms of use are the minimum requirements. Each wiki may have more >> requirements. > > > No, they are the *default* requirements. Each wiki may have *different* > requirements. > > -- > Andy Mabbett > @pigsonthewing > http://pigsonthewing.org.uk > > ___ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > > ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
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I see, so why don't Wikidata just make derivative version of it? It's simple and easy to make. On Sunday, January 4, 2015 2:39 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: On 3 January 2015 at 18:13, Joe Filceolaire wrote: The terms of use are the minimum requirements. Each wiki may have more requirements. No, they are the *default* requirements. Each wiki may have *different* requirements. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
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On 3 January 2015 at 18:13, Joe Filceolaire wrote: > The terms of use are the minimum requirements. Each wiki may have more > requirements. No, they are the *default* requirements. Each wiki may have *different* requirements. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
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The terms of use are the minimum requirements. Each wiki may have more requirements. Joe On 2 Jan 2015 10:16, "Flaken Aldnonymous" wrote: > On [[m:TOU]] already explain what you should do. > > Terms of use - Meta > > > [image: image] > > > > > > Terms of use - Meta > Translate this page Other languages: > View on meta.wikimedia.org > Preview by Yahoo > > > > On Wednesday, December 31, 2014 6:38 AM, Denny Vrandečić < > vrande...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I found out the other day that there's an item about myself, and I wanted > to edit it, and got a weird feeling about it. So I raised the question on > the project chat > > https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#COI_and_editing > > and got told that an RFC would be a good idea. So I tried one. I don't > think it has caused problems yet, though - but it might be easier to > discuss these things before they cause problems. > > > https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/Conflict_of_Interest > > Input is highly appreciated. > > ___ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > > > > ___ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > > ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
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It looks like "community" Jeremy commented is "wikidata community" whether to opt-out paid contribs disclosure or not. -Yena Hong (Revi) http://www.revi.pe.kr -- Sent from Android -- 2015. 1. 4. 오전 12:35에 "Flaken Aldnonymous" 님이 작성: > Jeremy Baron you might want to read this > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Terms_of_use/Paid_contributions_amendment > > Also, we already done RFC for this here Talk:Terms of use/Paid > contributions amendment - Meta > > > [image: image] > > > > > > Talk:Terms of use/Paid contributions amendment - Meta > This active discussion period of the Terms of Use amendment has been > closed by the legal team (see message above). > View on meta.wikimedia.org > Preview by Yahoo > > > > ___ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > > ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
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Jeremy Baron you might want to read this https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Terms_of_use/Paid_contributions_amendment Also, we already done RFC for this here Talk:Terms of use/Paid contributions amendment - Meta | | | | | | | | | | | Talk:Terms of use/Paid contributions amendment - MetaThis active discussion period of the Terms of Use amendment has been closed by the legal team (see message above). | | | | View on meta.wikimedia.org | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
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Hi, On Jan 3, 2015 6:46 AM, "Lydia Pintscher" wrote: > On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 11:15 AM, Flaken Aldnonymous > wrote: > > On [[m:TOU]] already explain what you should do. > > That is the default for Wikimedia projects. An individual project can > override that if wanted. Denny's question that I just read on project chat doesn't say that he is or isn't asking specifically about legal implications. Also important is the opinion of the community and I think that's what he was looking for. -Jeremy ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
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On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Jane Darnell wrote: > Lydia, I believe you meant to say "override", not "overwrite". Freudian > slip, but I found it rather funny (and could think of multiple instances > where that might even be true). Heh yeah. Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Product Manager for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
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Lydia, I believe you meant to say "override", not "overwrite". Freudian slip, but I found it rather funny (and could think of multiple instances where that might even be true). Jane 2015-01-03 12:46 GMT+01:00 Lydia Pintscher : > On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 11:15 AM, Flaken Aldnonymous > wrote: > > On [[m:TOU]] already explain what you should do. > > That is the default for Wikimedia projects. An individual project can > overwrite that if wanted. > > > Cheers > Lydia > > -- > Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher > Product Manager for Wikidata > > Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. > Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 > 10963 Berlin > www.wikimedia.de > > Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. > > Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg > unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das > Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. > > ___ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
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On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 11:15 AM, Flaken Aldnonymous wrote: > On [[m:TOU]] already explain what you should do. That is the default for Wikimedia projects. An individual project can overwrite that if wanted. Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Product Manager for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
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On [[m:TOU]] already explain what you should do. Terms of use - Meta | | | | | | | | | | | Terms of use - MetaTranslate this page Other languages: | | | | View on meta.wikimedia.org | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | On Wednesday, December 31, 2014 6:38 AM, Denny Vrandečić wrote: I found out the other day that there's an item about myself, and I wanted to edit it, and got a weird feeling about it. So I raised the question on the project chat https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#COI_and_editing and got told that an RFC would be a good idea. So I tried one. I don't think it has caused problems yet, though - but it might be easier to discuss these things before they cause problems. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/Conflict_of_Interest Input is highly appreciated. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
[Wikidata-l] Conflict of Interest policy for Wikidata
I found out the other day that there's an item about myself, and I wanted to edit it, and got a weird feeling about it. So I raised the question on the project chat https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#COI_and_editing and got told that an RFC would be a good idea. So I tried one. I don't think it has caused problems yet, though - but it might be easier to discuss these things before they cause problems. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/Conflict_of_Interest Input is highly appreciated. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
