Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses
Thad Guidry thadgui...@gmail.com wrote: I helped with the Lighthouses schema in Freebase. Some of which is based on List of Lights (NGA) USA. I have DB conversion data for the PDFs...just never got around to loading them all in. Let me know if I can help. I was able to match 407 lighthouses on OSM and Wikidata: http://edwardbetts.com/osm-wikidata/2015-04-18/match_results/Lighthouses.html -- Edward. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses
Tom, Split tool to the rescue ? :) Looks like the GeoNames ID is for the islet itself...so probably needs another entity for the Vinga Lighthouse itself sitting on that islet. Thad +ThadGuidry https://www.google.com/+ThadGuidry On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 1:02 PM, Tom Morris tfmor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Edward Betts edw...@4angle.com wrote: Thad Guidry thadgui...@gmail.com wrote: I helped with the Lighthouses schema in Freebase. Some of which is based on List of Lights (NGA) USA. I have DB conversion data for the PDFs...just never got around to loading them all in. Let me know if I can help. I was able to match 407 lighthouses on OSM and Wikidata: http://edwardbetts.com/osm-wikidata/2015-04-18/match_results/Lighthouses.html How can something be both a islet, a nature preserve, and a lighthouse? http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q3372089 Tom ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Markus Bärlocher markus.baerloc...@lau-net.de wrote: Hi Thad, I helped with the Lighthouses schema in Freebase. :-) We have imported the LoL into OSM (40'000 lights), and show them on OpenSeaMap: http://map.openseamap.org/?zoom=13lat=54.47933lon=10.27177layers=BFTFFFTFFTF0 Sorry I've been absent from this list for a while. What changesets/user did this import? Where's the corresponding import page for this as per the OSM requirements for it? - Serge ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Edward Betts edw...@4angle.com wrote: Thad Guidry thadgui...@gmail.com wrote: I helped with the Lighthouses schema in Freebase. Some of which is based on List of Lights (NGA) USA. I have DB conversion data for the PDFs...just never got around to loading them all in. Let me know if I can help. I was able to match 407 lighthouses on OSM and Wikidata: http://edwardbetts.com/osm-wikidata/2015-04-18/match_results/Lighthouses.html How can something be both a islet, a nature preserve, and a lighthouse? http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q3372089 Tom ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses
On 11 Mar 2015, at 09:37, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 9:24 AM Markus Krötzsch mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org mailto:mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org wrote: No, you are right: this is of course an issue in the completeness of our data. If you zoom in to Europe, you can see that some countries have costs full of lighthouses, while others seem to lack them almost completely. I think it clearly shows that a lot of our data comes from Wikipedias (in some specific language). In this instance, the issue appears to be that the existing lists on Wikipedia have not been touched, e.g.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lighthouses_in_Spain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lighthouses_in_Spain These, including redlinks, could be imported into Wikidata rather easily. Some already have images. Ideally, we'd want some official (e.g. national, UN) source to cross-check. This is probably the best source: NGA List of Lights The List of Lights, Radio Aids and Fog Signals is published in seven volumes, as Publication numbers 110 through 116. Each volume contains lights and other aids to navigation that are maintained by or under the authority of foreign governments. http://msi.nga.mil/NGAPortal/MSI.portal?_nfpb=true_st=_pageLabel=msi_portal_page_62pubCode=0007 http://msi.nga.mil/NGAPortal/MSI.portal?_nfpb=true_st=_pageLabel=msi_portal_page_62pubCode=0007 The US also have another lights list for US http://msi.nga.mil/NGAPortal/MSI.portal?_nfpb=true_pageLabel=msi_portal_page_62pubCode=0014 http://msi.nga.mil/NGAPortal/MSI.portal?_nfpb=true_pageLabel=msi_portal_page_62pubCode=0014 For the US the NOAA have publicly accessible ENC marine charts which show 'lights': http://www.nauticalcharts.noaa.gov/ENCOnline/enconline.html http://www.nauticalcharts.noaa.gov/ENCOnline/enconline.html The US also have sailing guides: the regions http://msi.nga.mil/MSISiteContent/StaticFiles/Images/SDLIMITS.jpg http://msi.nga.mil/MSISiteContent/StaticFiles/Images/SDLIMITS.jpg where to get the pdf from http://msi.nga.mil/NGAPortal/MSI.portal?_nfpb=true_st=_pageLabel=msi_portal_page_62pubCode=0011 http://msi.nga.mil/NGAPortal/MSI.portal?_nfpb=true_st=_pageLabel=msi_portal_page_62pubCode=0011 Also Sailing Directions (Enroute) http://msi.nga.mil/NGAPortal/MSI.portal?_nfpb=true_st=_pageLabel=msi_portal_page_62pubCode=0010 http://msi.nga.mil/NGAPortal/MSI.portal?_nfpb=true_st=_pageLabel=msi_portal_page_62pubCode=0010 Here is a 10MB example http://msi.nga.mil/MSISiteContent/StaticFiles/NAV_PUBS/SD/Pub132/Pub132bk.pdf http://msi.nga.mil/MSISiteContent/StaticFiles/NAV_PUBS/SD/Pub132/Pub132bk.pdf There is also a crowdsource project here: http://wikimapia.org/#lang=enlat=38.315801lon=-4.954834z=7m=btag=782 http://wikimapia.org/#lang=enlat=38.315801lon=-4.954834z=7m=btag=782 Also the The Lighthouse Directory (University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill) http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/lighthouse/ http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/lighthouse/ ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses
On 11.03.2015 05:40, Tom Morris wrote: On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Markus Krötzsch mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org mailto:mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org wrote: For example, you can see that Portugal has a lot of lighthouses while Spain has almost none -- maybe we need to look at our data there ;-) Perhaps it's a language confusion issue, but does Spain really have few lighthouses? That would seem VERY unusual for a territory with an extensive coastline. No, you are right: this is of course an issue in the completeness of our data. If you zoom in to Europe, you can see that some countries have costs full of lighthouses, while others seem to lack them almost completely. I think it clearly shows that a lot of our data comes from Wikipedias (in some specific language). Where does Wikidata sit in that mix? How does it compare with DBpedia, Freebase, Wikipedia, or even *real* data sources like official governmental lists of navigational aids for mariners at sea? Good question. I guess that we could have a much better coverage for some of the obvious holes in our data, e.g., by adding classificaiton information based on Spanish Wikipedia categories. Independent of where it sits now, what where does it aspire to sit? The uncontested target would be: * Every lighthouse that is found in any Wikipedia (hence in Wikidata) should be instance of lighthouse and have coordinates and country defined. A possible target to discuss would be to add: * Every lighthouse should be in Wikidata. Whether or not this makes sense depends on how many lighthouses there really are. Maybe we are not so far from completeness. Lighthouses are prominent landmarks of historic, nautic, and touristic interest, so should be valid Wikipedia topics anyway. Moreover, they tend to change very little over time, so data maintenance is relatively easy. Note that this is quite different from streets, which change names all the time, get created, demolished, and merged, and are much larger in number. From these properties, I think OSM is much better suited for managing this data for now. In view of the current developments towards Wikidata query support, a tangible goal would be to set up integrated query services that provide a joint view of the data from OSM and Wikidata without physically moving large quantities of data from one to the other. Markus ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses
Note that OSM is likely to be unusable for copyright reasons -- J. On 11/03/2015 11:20, Magnus Manske wrote: Started scraping Wikipedia lists: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lighthouses_and_lightvessels Got to Canada: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12UaLKolLl5hbOFP9vztShQsiKkr5AZo_TbNr-NV9W-U/edit?usp=sharing Continue this (someone help!), or start anew from another source? On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 10:59 AM Markus Bärlocher markus.baerloc...@lau-net.de wrote: Sorry the tags was wrong... Right is: _in OpenSeaMap_ you can find 40'000 Lights by a query on: seamark:type=light_float seamark:type=light_vessel seamark:type=light_minor seamark:type=light_major seamark:type=light _in WP for Spain_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/de:Liste_von_Leuchttürmen_in_Spanien _in WD for world_ 2135 lights today List: http://tools.wmflabs.org/autolist/autolist1.html?q=CLAIM[31:39715] Chart: http://tools.wmflabs.org/autolist/autolist1.html?q= CLAIM[31:39715] best regards, Markus ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses
Openstreetmap has many lighthouses on the Spanish Coast: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/87R You can change the bbox and investigate the other coast lines easily with that query. Jo 2015-03-11 10:37 GMT+01:00 Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com: On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 9:24 AM Markus Krötzsch mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org wrote: No, you are right: this is of course an issue in the completeness of our data. If you zoom in to Europe, you can see that some countries have costs full of lighthouses, while others seem to lack them almost completely. I think it clearly shows that a lot of our data comes from Wikipedias (in some specific language). In this instance, the issue appears to be that the existing lists on Wikipedia have not been touched, e.g.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lighthouses_in_Spain These, including redlinks, could be imported into Wikidata rather easily. Some already have images. Ideally, we'd want some official (e.g. national, UN) source to cross-check. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses
Hi, _in OpenSeaMap_ you can find 40'000 Lights by a query on: seamark:type=light_float seamark:type=light_vessel seamark:type=minor_light seamark:type=major_light seamark:type=light _in WP for Spain_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/de:Liste_von_Leuchttürmen_in_Spanien _in WD for world_ 2135 lights today List: http://tools.wmflabs.org/autolist/autolist1.html?q=CLAIM[31:39715] Chart: http://tools.wmflabs.org/autolist/autolist1.html?q=CLAIM[31:39715] best regards, Markus ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses
On 03/11/2015 12:58 PM, Daniel Kinzler wrote: Am 11.03.2015 um 12:39 schrieb Jo Walsh: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikidata#Importing_data *Copying data to Wikidata from OSM* (or even from other Wikimedia projects) *is not allowed* because Wikidata uses the public-domain style Creative Commons CC0 license which does not contain any attribution or share-alike provisions. Conversely, data may be copied from Wikidata without restriction. (OSM is licensed under the Open Database License) This applies to any copyrightable material. Facts (this is a lighthouse) are not copyrightable. Facts are not copyrightable, but in EU a lot of facts are when they are assembled in a database due to sui generis database right. I suppose that OSM falls under UK law and thereby EU sui generis database right, so systematic extraction of OSM data into Wikidata will constitute a violation in EU of the Open Database License terms. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sui_generis_database_right /Finn -- Finn Årup Nielsen http://people.compute.dtu.dk/faan/ ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikidata#Importing_data *Copying data to Wikidata from OSM* (or even from other Wikimedia projects) *is not allowed* because Wikidata uses the public-domain style Creative Commons CC0 license which does not contain any attribution or share-alike provisions. Conversely, data may be copied from Wikidata without restriction. (OSM is licensed under the Open Database License) On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 11:27 AM, James Heald j.he...@ucl.ac.uk wrote: Note that OSM is likely to be unusable for copyright reasons -- J. On 11/03/2015 11:20, Magnus Manske wrote: Started scraping Wikipedia lists: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lighthouses_and_lightvessels Got to Canada: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12UaLKolLl5hbOFP9vztShQsiKkr5A Zo_TbNr-NV9W-U/edit?usp=sharing Continue this (someone help!), or start anew from another source? On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 10:59 AM Markus Bärlocher markus.baerloc...@lau-net.de wrote: Sorry the tags was wrong... Right is: _in OpenSeaMap_ you can find 40'000 Lights by a query on: seamark:type=light_float seamark:type=light_vessel seamark:type=light_minor seamark:type=light_major seamark:type=light _in WP for Spain_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/de:Liste_von_Leuchttürmen_in_Spanien _in WD for world_ 2135 lights today List: http://tools.wmflabs.org/autolist/autolist1.html?q= CLAIM[31:39715] Chart: http://tools.wmflabs.org/autolist/autolist1.html?q= CLAIM[31:39715] best regards, Markus ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses
Am 11.03.2015 um 12:39 schrieb Jo Walsh: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikidata#Importing_data *Copying data to Wikidata from OSM* (or even from other Wikimedia projects) *is not allowed* because Wikidata uses the public-domain style Creative Commons CC0 license which does not contain any attribution or share-alike provisions. Conversely, data may be copied from Wikidata without restriction. (OSM is licensed under the Open Database License) This applies to any copyrightable material. Facts (this is a lighthouse) are not copyrightable. -- Daniel Kinzler Senior Software Developer Wikimedia Deutschland Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses
Thanks Daniel for this clear statement: Facts (this is a lighthouse) are not copyrightable. The data about lighthouses was imported from NOAA LoL, which is PD itself :-) Best regards, Markus ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses
Hi Thad, I helped with the Lighthouses schema in Freebase. :-) We have imported the LoL into OSM (40'000 lights), and show them on OpenSeaMap: http://map.openseamap.org/?zoom=13lat=54.47933lon=10.27177layers=BFTFFFTFFTF0 It would be great to have a popup in the chart which shows: - Wikipedia-link to the lighthouse - Commons picture of the lighthouse - list of all data about (character, range, sectors, hight, etc. It would be great to have an infobox in Wikipedia, filled with data from Wikidata. It would be fine to find somebody family with Wikidata, who can build the structure :-) and has an idea how to get the databases congruent (OSM and WD). Best regards, Markus PS: 3 Mio Wikipedia articles we have already in the chart: http://map.openseamap.org/?zoom=12lat=54.449lon=10.23044layers=BFTFFFTFFTT0 also some lights - but no systematic ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Markus Krötzsch mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org wrote: For example, you can see that Portugal has a lot of lighthouses while Spain has almost none -- maybe we need to look at our data there ;-) Perhaps it's a language confusion issue, but does Spain really have few lighthouses? That would seem VERY unusual for a territory with an extensive coastline. Or am I confusing cyber reality with real reality? Where does Wikidata sit in that mix? How does it compare with DBpedia, Freebase, Wikipedia, or even *real* data sources like official governmental lists of navigational aids for mariners at sea? Independent of where it sits now, what where does it aspire to sit? Tom ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses
I helped with the Lighthouses schema in Freebase. Some of which is based on List of Lights (NGA) USA. I have DB conversion data for the PDFs...just never got around to loading them all in. Let me know if I can help. Thad +ThadGuidry https://www.google.com/+ThadGuidry On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Markus Bärlocher markus.baerloc...@lau-net.de wrote: It would be fine to have all this together: _OSM_ seamark:type=light* _Wikidata_ https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q44782 _Wikipedia_ https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategorie:Liste_(Leuchttürme) https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_von_Leuchttürmen _Commons_ commons:Lighthouse category:Lighthouses _Example_ Wikipedia: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roter_Sand Commons: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Leuchtturm_Roter_Sand Wikidata: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q220034 Resonator: http://tools.wmflabs.org/reasonator/?q=Q220034 OSM-DB: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/635484478 OpenSeaMap: http://map.openseamap.org/?zoom=13mlat=53.85557mlon=8. 08198mtext=Roter%20Sandlayers=BFTFFFTFFTT0FTFF Best regards, Markus ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
