Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia isn't just a good idea - it's compulsory
doc wrote: > So, replace all such specialist elected and accountable bodies (or > bodies accountable to the elected) with a wiki? Replace the expert, who > wrote the textbook, with the anarchy of the truth according to whoever > made the last edit? > > I think I'll stay off the koolaid and stick with democracy, > professionalism, and expertise - yes it can be, on some occasions, > stupid, biased and myopic, but it is still the best system we've got. On average, I'd say it isn't the best system we've got, and that Wikipedia is a better system. That is, if we're discussing the fairly narrow issue of basic coverage of primary-level history, not detailed coverage of specialist topics. The basic Wikipedia coverage of the subject matter in a typical high-school history textbook is, as far as I can tell, generally better than the coverage in the textbooks themselves. This varies by area, and there are perhaps some jurisdictions that use very good textbooks, but I'd say on average the textbooks are worse. If you include the textbooks of non-western countries, the textbooks are so much worse as to not even be a fair comparison. Of course, I don't get most of my specialist, higher-level knowledge from Wikipedia in my field of research; I'll trust a book or survey article by a well-known specialist in the field first. But if I just want an overview of the US participation in World War II, you can bet I'll trust Wikipedia's article before I trust the Texas Board of Education's approved version; and if I want an article on the Thai monarchy, I'll trust Wikipedia's article before I trust the Thai government's approved version. -Mark ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged revs poll take 2
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 6:32 PM, Carcharoth wrote: > On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Alex Sawczynec > wrote: >> With all due respect, this isn't exactly "new": it's been open for almost >> two weeks now. Is there a particular reason it's being posted to the list at >> this point? > > I didn't hear of the new poll until well after it was open. Was there > a watchlist notice? > > Carcharoth > No, it was argued that a watchlist notice wasn't needed because the previous poll, with wide participation, had indicated the overall balance of opinion on flagged revisions, and this was just a modified, compromise proposal meant to address the concerns expressed in the first poll and associated discussions. -Sage (User:Ragesoss) ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged revs poll take 2
2009/3/29 Alex Sawczynec : > With all due respect, this isn't exactly "new": it's been open for almost > two weeks now. Is there a particular reason it's being posted to the list at > this point? Because it was the first I'd heard of it and I figured others might not have. Is there a particular reason it shouldn't be posted to the list? - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged revs poll take 2
I heard about it on Wikipedia Review... -- Alex (User:Majorly) ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged revs poll take 2
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 11:32 PM, Carcharoth wrote: > On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Alex Sawczynec > wrote: >> With all due respect, this isn't exactly "new": it's been open for almost >> two weeks now. Is there a particular reason it's being posted to the list at >> this point? > > I didn't hear of the new poll until well after it was open. Was there > a watchlist notice? Correction: I heard about it on 17th March. But it was through the grapevine, not by seeing any official announcement. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged revs poll take 2
2009/3/29 Alex Sawczynec : > With all due respect, this isn't exactly "new": it's been open for almost > two weeks now. Is there a particular reason it's being posted to the list at > this point? The proposal's been discussed extensively on here before, but I for one had no idea there was a newly formulated proposal & poll... I'm glad it was mentioned! -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged revs poll take 2
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Alex Sawczynec wrote: > With all due respect, this isn't exactly "new": it's been open for almost > two weeks now. Is there a particular reason it's being posted to the list at > this point? I didn't hear of the new poll until well after it was open. Was there a watchlist notice? Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged revs poll take 2
With all due respect, this isn't exactly "new": it's been open for almost two weeks now. Is there a particular reason it's being posted to the list at this point? - GlassCobra On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 5:48 PM, David Gerard wrote: > New plan: > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Flagged_protection_and_patrolled_revisions > > New poll (closing 1 April): > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Flagged_protection_and_patrolled_revisions/Poll > > Bugzilla request (before poll end, but it won't be actioned until > after the devs' conference in Berlin anyway): > > https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18244 > > > - d. > > ___ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
[WikiEN-l] Flagged revs poll take 2
New plan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Flagged_protection_and_patrolled_revisions New poll (closing 1 April): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Flagged_protection_and_patrolled_revisions/Poll Bugzilla request (before poll end, but it won't be actioned until after the devs' conference in Berlin anyway): https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18244 - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Moderation
David Gerard wrote: > 2009/3/29 Jon : > > >> Why has my message been moderated-deleted? >> > > > One message this morning came through and I sent it to the list! > > Then I got a bounce notice on a different address. Is that what you saw? > > > - d. > > ___ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > Maybe it is a bug (do we need to open a bug in the tracker?). I have a new email address, but if you approved it *should* go thru, but I don't see it on the archive. old email scr...@datascreamer.com new email scr...@nonvocalscream.com I meant to have this conversation to the listowners but I inadvertently posted this on list, sorry for the noise. Thanks, Jon ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Moderation
2009/3/29 Jon : > Why has my message been moderated-deleted? One message this morning came through and I sent it to the list! Then I got a bounce notice on a different address. Is that what you saw? - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
[WikiEN-l] Moderation
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Why has my message been moderated-deleted? Jon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAknPqkEACgkQR7/9CWL6/5gEfwCfbsqOVaYxDbIWTNOBb5F0aWEK EzgAn1eocDM80M8EmNOEKwOdoGkXkx4v =igRI -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Firefox extension: Smarter Wikipedia
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/9825 > > Anyone used this? > > > - d. It seems to do absolutely nothing. Fred ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Firefox extension: Smarter Wikipedia
I am now On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 8:28 AM, David Gerard wrote: > https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/9825 > > Anyone used this? > > > - d. > > ___ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > -- Whether you can or can't, any way you are correct. - Henry Ford ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
[WikiEN-l] Firefox extension: Smarter Wikipedia
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/9825 Anyone used this? - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] How to ignore wikien-l.
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 8:02 AM, David Gerard wrote: > 2009/3/28 Guettarda : > > > Or you can dedicate an email account simply to wikien-l, and only check > it > > once or twice a week, preferably when you only have a few minutes to > devote > > to reading it. And make sure it's gmail, so that threads are grouped. > It's > > much easier to ignore a grouped thread, especially when it has > accumulated > > 40 messages... :) > > > Gmail's conversation threading and three-state email (read, unread and > archived) is why I can finally keep up with my mailing lists. Not to mention plus addressing for easy filtering. ;-) --Falcorian ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] How to ignore wikien-l.
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Oskar Sigvardsson < oskarsigvards...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 6:51 AM, Guettarda wrote: > > Or you can dedicate an email account simply to wikien-l, and only check > it > > once or twice a week, preferably when you only have a few minutes to > devote > > to reading it. And make sure it's gmail, so that threads are grouped. > It's > > much easier to ignore a grouped thread, especially when it has > accumulated > > 40 messages... :) > > You don't even have to really do that when using Gmail. It's trivial > to set up a filter that automatically archives and adds a "wikipedia" > label to any email from the mailing list. That way it stays out of > your inbox and doesn't clutter up your regular mail, but is readily > available if you just click the "Wikipedia" label in your sidebar. > > --Oskar Matches: listid:"*.wikimedia.org" Do this: Skip Inbox, Apply label "mailing list" ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Legal examination
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 doc wrote: > Examination Question: Read the following > > > "Sarah H. Cleveland is the Louis Henkin Professor of Human and > Constitutional Rights at Columbia Law School. She is a noted > advocate of the use of international law in U.S. courts. > > In her widely celebrated 2007 Civil Procedure final exam, she > referenced Wikipedia to highlight how fraught personal jurisdiction > issues have become in the Internet age. Students were asked to > analyze whether an allegedly defamatory Wikipedia page edit could > establish jurisdiction over the user in an unforeseeable State, so > long as the defamation created harm in that State. > > She is a graduate of Brown University, University of Oxford as a > Rhodes Scholar, and Yale Law School." > > > Taken from Wikipedia's article on Prof. Cleveland. > http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sarah_Cleveland&oldid=255771191 > > > Students should now write an essay on one of the following: > > 1) In terms of personal jurisdiction, analyze whether an allegedly > defamatory Wikipedia page edit can establish jurisdiction over the > user in an unforeseeable state, so long as the defamation created > harm in that state. > > Or > > 2) Discuss why this particular Wikipedia article is bullshit. > > ___ WikiEN-l mailing > list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing > list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l Apologies if I misunderstand. Are you asking the participants of this mlist to do the assignment? Am I missing something, or am I obtuse? Cheers - Jon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAknOiR0ACgkQR7/9CWL6/5hdtwCgrKtXXRbhXQGvkcJvKLfLY/Sg 7RIAoKMit3+wohqzVwbX1O5yEeVuw1i0 =Mnc/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
