Re: [WikiEN-l] Image reuse
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Steve Bennett wrote: > > I think I'm starting to think that if Wikipedia credited > photographers, then people who reuse Wikipedia material would be more > likely to do so too. We don't credit writers (and as of Monday reusers are being encouraged not to either). -- Stephen Bain stephen.b...@gmail.com ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Request to help research group by providing feedback on Wikipedia-based visualizations
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 2:45 AM, Commprac wrote:
> Willing to spend a few minutes taking our survey? Please visit
> https://catalysttools.washington.edu/webq/survey/commprac/78947
Hi. Fwiw, I think page 3 is flawed. It says at the top that the pages
for the two editors are shown there. After you answer the first
question ("Which page is the vandal"), then second answer follows
logically: "the other one".
(In other words, you didn't leave open the option that an image is
neither vandal nor vandal-fighter).
Steve
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Re: [WikiEN-l] RFC on paid editing
If we only allowed unpaid editing, then disclosure would be driven underground. I do not think WP:COI precludes editing on topics you created, or [[user:Ken_Birman]] would've been blocked a long time ago, and I would really hate to discover that he went for sock puppets. I would *rather* discover that he paid one of his students to link-fill one if his articles on [[gossip protcol]] (currently with a definition far too loose for use) or [[virtual synchrony]] (needs to be contrasted with asynchrony). A lot of other business models feature wikipedia as a resource, and I do not think it is in our interests to make them hide. It is enough that we hav a WP:COI. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] What sparked your interest in Wikipedia? (was Googlethinks Wikipedia is a news source)
"David Gerard" quoted news:fbad4e140906151058wc6f789dxaedcbfde40e78...@mail.gmail.com , citing > 2009/6/15 Carcharoth : > >> And then I ask what sparked other people's interests in Wikipedia, and >> a really long thread results. I was reading the Oxford Dictionary of Phrase and Fable, and [[prion]] came up, defined as a great mystery. I thot I understood it. I still think it is pesticide poisoning if it is not heavy metal poisoning. To my surprise, the topic was not in the wiki article. At first I did not bother getting an ID, because I thot that once the work of Brown, Purdey (and others!) took hold on some minds, it would become dominant theory, because it does not contrast with prevailing doctrine that life demands [[DNA]] to reproduce. When I went to the wiki article and put in a narrative with attitude, someone almost immediately put a POV tag into it, then toned down my text. Then I did some of what I do best and made it easier to read. Then I went meticulously through the entire talk page, adding headings where there was a change in topic -- and tried to answer everything. Much later, perhaps in 2008, I began a "Make your headings blue" crusade, which goes against a style guideline based on an undocumented browser bug (one that probably does not exist, and certainly *should* not exist), and that was the first time I got any direct feedback regarding my [[prion]] activities. Two reasons are to make a heading that is a link, in my book: 1. The section is only started, perhaps with nothing but references. 2. The section started talking about something that does exist as though it was something that does not, so I deleted the section's text and made the heading into a link. ___ Line from Darth Vader in Star Wars to sanitize: (Exhale, Inhale) "Luke, you are my bastard!". ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Google thinks Wikipedia is a news source
News is the first rough draft of History, which is probably why wikipedia is not supposed to be news. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] I love SEOs
> Even our critics can't help but use our services. I'm entertained that y'all noticed and are talking about little ole' me :-) M. Gray aka Graywolf ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
[WikiEN-l] Hi there, everybody!
Hey! I'm new here! Just joined today! I'm known as "I dream of horses" on Wikipedia. My real name is Emily, but a lot of people call me Em for short. I am 19 years old. I like music, particularly rock, and instrumental music. I also like to exercise, and to fidget. I am a lacto-ovo vegetarian. I am in the uncategorized and stub sorting wikiproject. i have also recent changes and new pages patrolled. However, I am becoming more interested in the "social" aspect of wikipedia, which is why I joined the list! Would anyone like to introduce themselves? Is there any kind of "mailing list etiquette" I should be aware of? Emily ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Hi there, everybody!
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Emily Monroe wrote: > Hey! I'm new here! Just joined today! I'm known as "I dream of horses" on > Wikipedia. My real name is Emily, but a lot of people call me Em for short. > I am 19 years old. I like music, particularly rock, and instrumental music. > I also like to > exercise, and to fidget. I am a lacto-ovo vegetarian. > I am in the uncategorized and stub sorting wikiproject. i have also > recent changes and new pages patrolled. However, I am becoming more > interested in the "social" aspect of wikipedia, which is why I joined > the list! > Would anyone like to introduce themselves? Is there any kind of > "mailing list etiquette" I should be aware of? > Welcome, Emily. There's not much to speak of in terms of mailing list "etiquette," and there are no wrong questions here, though people may want to keep discussions here high-level (sitewide/policy issues) and thus may politely direct you to pages on en.wikipedia that more directly relate to any *specific or topical issues you may be interested in. And before you hear anyone mention "MySpace," it should be stated that the "social aspect of Wikipedia" has traditionally been a lower priority for the basic reasons that almost all discussion be about improving the project, and because there is a nagging concern that an exceedingly "social" Wikipedia would stop being an "encyclopedia." (Also, note that very few of us are actual social butterflies, real-life or otherwise). ;-] But you will interact with people who have common interests, and make some friends as well. Happy editing. :-) - Stevertigo ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Hi there, everybody!
2009/6/18 Emily Monroe : > I'm known as "I dream of horses" on Wikipedia. My real name is Emily, > but a lot of people call me Em for short. I am 19 years old. I like > music, particularly rock, and instrumental music. I also like to > exercise, and to fidget. I am a lacto-ovo vegetarian. > I am in the uncategorized and stub sorting wikiproject. i have also > recent changes and new pages patrolled. However, I am becoming more > interested in the "social" aspect of wikipedia, which is why I joined > the list! > Would anyone like to introduce themselves? Is there any kind of > "mailing list etiquette" I should be aware of? The idea is "we're here to write an encyclopedia;" anything broadly related to Wikipedia and stuff relating to it is probably on-topic. If it'd be of interest to a bunch of encyclopedia nerds, it's probably relevant. Civility and politeness is the rule. Some fail at this, we encourage them to do better. (Those who are particularly offensive, nonsensical or persistently irrelevant may end up moderated - they are not blocked from the list, but their messages are checked before forwarding to the list.) Important decisions about stuff concerning Wikipedia are made on the wiki. But there's a lot of Wikipedia old hands on this list, and it's a good place to discuss ideas and current matters of concern. If you're interested in why people got into Wikipedia, a thread about this started just a few days ago: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2009-June/thread.html#101189 - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Image reuse
- "Stephen Bain" wrote: > From: "Stephen Bain" > To: "English Wikipedia" > Sent: Thursday, 18 June, 2009 08:25:35 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, > Portugal > Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Image reuse > > On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Steve Bennett wrote: > > > > I think I'm starting to think that if Wikipedia credited > > photographers, then people who reuse Wikipedia material would be more > > likely to do so too. > > We don't credit writers (and as of Monday reusers are being encouraged > not to either). Wikinews interestingly does for images. I never quite understood why they do and we don't - maybe it'll catch on! Andrew ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] What sparked your interest in Wikipedia? (was Googlethinks Wikipedia is a news source)
Reading everybody's accounts of how they came to join Wikipedia is always an interesting experience! AGK ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Image reuse
2009/6/18 Andrew Turvey : > Wikinews interestingly does for images. I never quite understood why they do > and we don't - >maybe it'll catch on! > > Andrew Basically because having "credit:wetriffs.com" in the article space would be inappropriate. -- geni ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] I love SEOs
2009/6/17 Michael Gray : >> Even our critics can't help but use our services. > > I'm entertained that y'all noticed and are talking about little ole' me :-) > > M. Gray aka Graywolf You entertain us, we entertain you - what a fantastic arrangement! Welcome to WikiEN-l! ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Hi there, everybody!
I didn't mean to be overly social. Sorry about that. Emily On Jun 18, 2009, at 5:01 AM, stevertigo wrote: > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Emily Monroe > wrote: > >> Hey! I'm new here! Just joined today! I'm known as "I dream of >> horses" on >> Wikipedia. My real name is Emily, but a lot of people call me Em >> for short. >> I am 19 years old. I like music, particularly rock, and >> instrumental music. >> I also like to >> exercise, and to fidget. I am a lacto-ovo vegetarian. >> I am in the uncategorized and stub sorting wikiproject. i have also >> recent changes and new pages patrolled. However, I am becoming more >> interested in the "social" aspect of wikipedia, which is why I joined >> the list! >> Would anyone like to introduce themselves? Is there any kind of >> "mailing list etiquette" I should be aware of? >> > > Welcome, Emily. > > There's not much to speak of in terms of mailing list "etiquette," > and there > are no wrong questions here, though people may want to keep > discussions here > high-level (sitewide/policy issues) and thus may politely direct you > to > pages on en.wikipedia that more directly relate to any *specific or > topical > issues you may be interested in. > > And before you hear anyone mention "MySpace," it should be stated > that the > "social aspect of Wikipedia" has traditionally been a lower priority > for the > basic reasons that almost all discussion be about improving the > project, and > because there is a nagging concern that an exceedingly "social" > Wikipedia > would stop being an "encyclopedia." (Also, note that very few of us > are > actual social butterflies, real-life or otherwise). ;-] > > But you will interact with people who have common interests, and > make some > friends as well. Happy editing. :-) > > - Stevertigo > ___ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Hi there, everybody!
> > Hey! I'm new here! Just joined today! > > I'm known as "I dream of horses" on Wikipedia. My real name is Emily, > but a lot of people call me Em for short. I am 19 years old. I like > music, particularly rock, and instrumental music. I also like to > exercise, and to fidget. I am a lacto-ovo vegetarian. > > I am in the uncategorized and stub sorting wikiproject. i have also > recent changes and new pages patrolled. However, I am becoming more > interested in the "social" aspect of wikipedia, which is why I joined > the list! > > Would anyone like to introduce themselves? Is there any kind of > "mailing list etiquette" I should be aware of? > > Emily Welcome to the list, Emily! AGK ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Hi there, everybody!
> Hey! I'm new here! Just joined today! > > I'm known as "I dream of horses" on Wikipedia. My real name is Emily, > but a lot of people call me Em for short. I am 19 years old. I like > music, particularly rock, and instrumental music. I also like to > exercise, and to fidget. I am a lacto-ovo vegetarian. > > I am in the uncategorized and stub sorting wikiproject. i have also > recent changes and new pages patrolled. However, I am becoming more > interested in the "social" aspect of wikipedia, which is why I joined > the list! > > Would anyone like to introduce themselves? Is there any kind of > "mailing list etiquette" I should be aware of? > > Emily > Emily, You sound like a wonderful addition to our community. One of the problems we might have (others may disagree) is that the social side of Wikipedia is somewhat underdeveloped. That is certainly a legitimate topic of discussion on this list: how we might make Wikipedia a friendlier, more welcoming place. I first found Wikipedia in 2002, back in the days when articles like "Colorado" had not even been started. There was this guy, Larry Sanger, who while not in charge, had a lot of clout. And Jimmy Wales, was very hands on, following developments closely. I've posted on the mailing lists quite a lot, nasty habit, takes up way too much time. I still edit a little bit, although most of my Wikipedia work these days is on a list unblock-en-l which tries to handle requests to bypass blocks. It sounds like you are off to a good start. Fred ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Hi there, everybody!
> That is certainly a legitimate topic of > discussion on this list: how we might make Wikipedia a friendlier, > more > welcoming place. So, not a place to socialize, but nonetheless a welcoming place to be? Emily On Jun 18, 2009, at 9:02 AM, Fred Bauder wrote: >> Hey! I'm new here! Just joined today! >> >> I'm known as "I dream of horses" on Wikipedia. My real name is Emily, >> but a lot of people call me Em for short. I am 19 years old. I like >> music, particularly rock, and instrumental music. I also like to >> exercise, and to fidget. I am a lacto-ovo vegetarian. >> >> I am in the uncategorized and stub sorting wikiproject. i have also >> recent changes and new pages patrolled. However, I am becoming more >> interested in the "social" aspect of wikipedia, which is why I joined >> the list! >> >> Would anyone like to introduce themselves? Is there any kind of >> "mailing list etiquette" I should be aware of? >> >> Emily >> > > Emily, > > You sound like a wonderful addition to our community. One of the > problems > we might have (others may disagree) is that the social side of > Wikipedia > is somewhat underdeveloped. That is certainly a legitimate topic of > discussion on this list: how we might make Wikipedia a friendlier, > more > welcoming place. > > I first found Wikipedia in 2002, back in the days when articles like > "Colorado" had not even been started. There was this guy, Larry > Sanger, > who while not in charge, had a lot of clout. And Jimmy Wales, was very > hands on, following developments closely. > > I've posted on the mailing lists quite a lot, nasty habit, takes up > way > too much time. I still edit a little bit, although most of my > Wikipedia > work these days is on a list unblock-en-l which tries to handle > requests > to bypass blocks. > > It sounds like you are off to a good start. > > Fred > > > > ___ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Hi there, everybody!
>> That is certainly a legitimate topic of >> discussion on this list: how we might make Wikipedia a friendlier, >> more >> welcoming place. > So, not a place to socialize, but nonetheless a welcoming place to be? > > Emily Right, like a round square... How can we both get work done, put our efforts into improving our reference works, and also have a pleasant friendly atmosphere. Fred > On Jun 18, 2009, at 9:02 AM, Fred Bauder wrote: > >>> Hey! I'm new here! Just joined today! >>> >>> I'm known as "I dream of horses" on Wikipedia. My real name is Emily, >>> but a lot of people call me Em for short. I am 19 years old. I like >>> music, particularly rock, and instrumental music. I also like to >>> exercise, and to fidget. I am a lacto-ovo vegetarian. >>> >>> I am in the uncategorized and stub sorting wikiproject. i have also >>> recent changes and new pages patrolled. However, I am becoming more >>> interested in the "social" aspect of wikipedia, which is why I joined >>> the list! >>> >>> Would anyone like to introduce themselves? Is there any kind of >>> "mailing list etiquette" I should be aware of? >>> >>> Emily >>> >> >> Emily, >> >> You sound like a wonderful addition to our community. One of the >> problems >> we might have (others may disagree) is that the social side of >> Wikipedia >> is somewhat underdeveloped. That is certainly a legitimate topic of >> discussion on this list: how we might make Wikipedia a friendlier, >> more >> welcoming place. >> >> I first found Wikipedia in 2002, back in the days when articles like >> "Colorado" had not even been started. There was this guy, Larry >> Sanger, >> who while not in charge, had a lot of clout. And Jimmy Wales, was very >> hands on, following developments closely. >> >> I've posted on the mailing lists quite a lot, nasty habit, takes up >> way >> too much time. I still edit a little bit, although most of my >> Wikipedia >> work these days is on a list unblock-en-l which tries to handle >> requests >> to bypass blocks. >> >> It sounds like you are off to a good start. >> >> Fred >> >> >> >> ___ >> WikiEN-l mailing list >> WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > > ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Hi there, everybody!
> How can we both get work done, put our efforts into improving our > reference works, and also have a pleasant friendly atmosphere. Sounds like a lofty yet worthy goal. :-) Emily On Jun 18, 2009, at 9:09 AM, Fred Bauder wrote: >>> That is certainly a legitimate topic of >>> discussion on this list: how we might make Wikipedia a friendlier, >>> more >>> welcoming place. >> So, not a place to socialize, but nonetheless a welcoming place to >> be? >> >> Emily > > Right, like a round square... > > How can we both get work done, put our efforts into improving our > reference works, and also have a pleasant friendly atmosphere. > > Fred > >> On Jun 18, 2009, at 9:02 AM, Fred Bauder wrote: >> Hey! I'm new here! Just joined today! I'm known as "I dream of horses" on Wikipedia. My real name is Emily, but a lot of people call me Em for short. I am 19 years old. I like music, particularly rock, and instrumental music. I also like to exercise, and to fidget. I am a lacto-ovo vegetarian. I am in the uncategorized and stub sorting wikiproject. i have also recent changes and new pages patrolled. However, I am becoming more interested in the "social" aspect of wikipedia, which is why I joined the list! Would anyone like to introduce themselves? Is there any kind of "mailing list etiquette" I should be aware of? Emily >>> >>> Emily, >>> >>> You sound like a wonderful addition to our community. One of the >>> problems >>> we might have (others may disagree) is that the social side of >>> Wikipedia >>> is somewhat underdeveloped. That is certainly a legitimate topic of >>> discussion on this list: how we might make Wikipedia a friendlier, >>> more >>> welcoming place. >>> >>> I first found Wikipedia in 2002, back in the days when articles like >>> "Colorado" had not even been started. There was this guy, Larry >>> Sanger, >>> who while not in charge, had a lot of clout. And Jimmy Wales, was >>> very >>> hands on, following developments closely. >>> >>> I've posted on the mailing lists quite a lot, nasty habit, takes up >>> way >>> too much time. I still edit a little bit, although most of my >>> Wikipedia >>> work these days is on a list unblock-en-l which tries to handle >>> requests >>> to bypass blocks. >>> >>> It sounds like you are off to a good start. >>> >>> Fred >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> WikiEN-l mailing list >>> WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l >> >> > > > > ___ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Hi there, everybody!
2009/6/18 Emily Monroe : >> That is certainly a legitimate topic of >> discussion on this list: how we might make Wikipedia a friendlier, >> more >> welcoming place. > So, not a place to socialize, but nonetheless a welcoming place to be? > Socialising generally takes place though the likes of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IRC and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup -- geni ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Hi there, everybody!
Fred Bauder wrote: >> Hey! I'm new here! Just joined today! >> >> I'm known as "I dream of horses" on Wikipedia. My real name is Emily, >> but a lot of people call me Em for short. I am 19 years old. I like >> music, particularly rock, and instrumental music. I also like to >> exercise, and to fidget. I am a lacto-ovo vegetarian. >> >> I am in the uncategorized and stub sorting wikiproject. i have also >> recent changes and new pages patrolled. However, I am becoming more >> interested in the "social" aspect of wikipedia, which is why I joined >> the list! >> >> Would anyone like to introduce themselves? Is there any kind of >> "mailing list etiquette" I should be aware of? >> >> Emily >> >> > > Emily, > > You sound like a wonderful addition to our community. One of the problems > we might have (others may disagree) is that the social side of Wikipedia > is somewhat underdeveloped. That is certainly a legitimate topic of > discussion on this list: how we might make Wikipedia a friendlier, more > welcoming place. > > I first found Wikipedia in 2002, back in the days when articles like > "Colorado" had not even been started. There was this guy, Larry Sanger, > who while not in charge, had a lot of clout. And Jimmy Wales, was very > hands on, following developments closely. > > I've posted on the mailing lists quite a lot, nasty habit, takes up way > too much time. I still edit a little bit, although most of my Wikipedia > work these days is on a list unblock-en-l which tries to handle requests > to bypass blocks. > > It sounds like you are off to a good start. > > Fred > > > I agree. Emily, I first found wikipedia in April of 2003, at a point when a cadre of old hands had already developed, and for a very long time kept being very deferential and apologetic and even when I thought somebody was being very rude, usually went to other people to ask if it was okay for them to be that way. The first time I really got more seriously involved with wikipedia was when Tim Starling did an analysis of peoples editing patterns and found that I and 19 other people on the wiki had edits pretty much around the clock, in each hour of the day. (For me the reason was that I had just been layed off, and my previous job was one that kept me at odd hours, so I had developed a completely mixed up daily routine of sleep cycles), so Tim asked if we 20 could be sort of paladins of making sure the Single Server (yes there was a time when wikipedia ran on a single computer , Virginia - even a time it didn't even have a computer of its own), was always up and running. It was my exciting task to in fact be the first person of us to make the alert that it had fallen - and later an embarrassing task to infact make a transcontinental phone call to inform the same to Jimbo himself, only to realize later that I had woken him up in bed 6 AM in the morning (timezones, ouch). Since then, I have tried to be a lubricant where I can, and grit where that is needed. Currently I have been most active in doing translations and localisation work for the finnish language MediaWiki messages. Yours, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Hi there, everybody!
geni wrote: > 2009/6/18 Emily Monroe : > >>> That is certainly a legitimate topic of >>> discussion on this list: how we might make Wikipedia a friendlier, >>> more >>> welcoming place. >>> >> So, not a place to socialize, but nonetheless a welcoming place to be? >> >> > Socialising generally takes place though the likes of > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IRC > For sufficiently vague definitions of the word socializing. Yours, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Hi there, everybody!
Emily Monroe wrote: > Is there any kind of > "mailing list etiquette" I should be aware of? > It would be rather grouchy not to respond to your enthusiasm ... or to come up with a rule book. I like it when people edit the mails they reply to down to just the point they want to meet, and keep answers on the terse side. And stay on topic ... Charles ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Hi there, everybody!
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 7:02 AM, Fred Bauder wrote: > > However, I am becoming more > > interested in the "social" aspect of wikipedia, which is why I joined > > the list! > I like where Fred is going here. But do I understand correctly, Emily, that by "social aspects" you mean more what we might call "community," or "collective," or perhaps "synergetic" aspects? My/our apparent confusion/misunderstanding comes from the unfortunate fact that for many people here, the word "social" is a kind of codeword for "community interactions that have no aspect of the purpose of writing an encyclopedia in mind." Everyone is to some degree interested in "community," and that's why Wikipedia works. But the connection between "social aspects" and community, though essential, is still not yet well understood. Hence its my sense (?) that many people think that "if the idea doesn't have the encyclopedia in mind," it therefore must be "social," (discarded), often quite with little regard for whether or not that "social" idea contributes to "community." But, as with anything dynamic, there is a ongoing struggle to find a balance between different forces. If your interested, you might even do a little research into the history of how social aspects have tried to coexist with the prime directive of building (and even writing) an encyclopedia. Maybe writing up a meta page about that history would help people get an overview. Places to look: Barnstars, Userboxes, IRC and Meetups (after Geni), Projects (of course), and Medcom / other WP:DRR, and Signpost (late addition). Maybe after checking these out you can have an idea or two of your own. You may be interested to know that there have been times when people have been quite at odds about the "social aspects." Search "userboxes" + "wheel war" for example --a very important example of when the "community" decided (somehow) to stomp on the "society." I still consider the mass removal of userboxes from the meta namespace to the user namespace to have been a "social" faux pax. To wrap this up, people-oriented people have always helped very much to create a more integrated community. Those that get themselves involved in content issues often help to keep things from blowing up. And some have even been entrusted by the community to positions of authority. -Steve You sound like a wonderful addition to our community. One of the problems > we might have (others may disagree) is that the social side of Wikipedia > is somewhat underdeveloped. That is certainly a legitimate topic of > discussion on this list: how we might make Wikipedia a friendlier, more > welcoming place. > > I first found Wikipedia in 2002, back in the days when articles like > "Colorado" had not even been started. There was this guy, Larry Sanger, > who while not in charge, had a lot of clout. And Jimmy Wales, was very > hands on, following developments closely. > ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Hi there, everybody!
2009/6/18 stevertigo : > To wrap this up, people-oriented people have always helped very much to > create a more integrated community. Those that get themselves involved in > content issues often help to keep things from blowing up. And some have even > been entrusted by the community to positions of authority. Yeah. While keeping in mind at all times "we're here to write an encyclopedia", the way we're doing it is to work with others, as humans. Sometimes ones we disagree with horribly. Hence cautionary rules such as "assume good faith." We all need to be encyclopedists, but working with all the other encyclopedists, those who do a lot and those who do a little, etc., etc. This is easier to say than to achieve, of course. - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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2009/6/18 David Gerard We all need to be encyclopedists, but working with all the other > encyclopedists, those who do a lot and those who do a little, etc., > etc. This is easier to say than to achieve, of course. Indeed it is! Very much easier to say than to achieve, but from what I have seen over the year or so I have been participating, it seems to work reasonably well! -- Regards, Isabell Long. [[User:Isabell121]] on all public Wikimedia projects. OpenPGP Key ID: C395CE07 ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Hi there, everybody!
> But do I understand correctly, Emily, that > by "social aspects" you mean more what we might call "community," or > "collective," or perhaps "synergetic" aspects? Yes, that's what I mean! I'll be interested to see where this discussion goes. Emily On Jun 18, 2009, at 2:15 PM, stevertigo wrote: > On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 7:02 AM, Fred Bauder > wrote: > >>> However, I am becoming more >>> interested in the "social" aspect of wikipedia, which is why I >>> joined >>> the list! >> > > I like where Fred is going here. But do I understand correctly, > Emily, that > by "social aspects" you mean more what we might call "community," or > "collective," or perhaps "synergetic" aspects? My/our apparent > confusion/misunderstanding comes from the unfortunate fact that for > many > people here, the word "social" is a kind of codeword for "community > interactions that have no aspect of the purpose of writing an > encyclopedia > in mind." > > Everyone is to some degree interested in "community," and that's why > Wikipedia works. But the connection between "social aspects" and > community, > though essential, is still not yet well understood. Hence its my > sense (?) > that many people think that "if the idea doesn't have the > encyclopedia in > mind," it therefore must be "social," (discarded), often quite with > little > regard for whether or not that "social" idea contributes to > "community." > But, as with anything dynamic, there is a ongoing struggle to find a > balance > between different forces. > > If your interested, you might even do a little research into the > history of > how social aspects have tried to coexist with the prime directive of > building (and even writing) an encyclopedia. Maybe writing up a meta > page > about that history would help people get an overview. Places to look: > Barnstars, Userboxes, IRC and Meetups (after Geni), Projects (of > course), > and Medcom / other WP:DRR, and Signpost (late addition). Maybe after > checking these out you can have an idea or two of your own. > > You may be interested to know that there have been times when people > have > been quite at odds about the "social aspects." Search "userboxes" + > "wheel > war" for example --a very important example of when the "community" > decided > (somehow) to stomp on the "society." I still consider the mass > removal of > userboxes from the meta namespace to the user namespace to have been a > "social" faux pax. > > To wrap this up, people-oriented people have always helped very much > to > create a more integrated community. Those that get themselves > involved in > content issues often help to keep things from blowing up. And some > have even > been entrusted by the community to positions of authority. > > -Steve > > You sound like a wonderful addition to our community. One of the > problems >> we might have (others may disagree) is that the social side of >> Wikipedia >> is somewhat underdeveloped. That is certainly a legitimate topic of >> discussion on this list: how we might make Wikipedia a friendlier, >> more >> welcoming place. >> > > >> I first found Wikipedia in 2002, back in the days when articles like >> "Colorado" had not even been started. There was this guy, Larry >> Sanger, >> who while not in charge, had a lot of clout. And Jimmy Wales, was >> very >> hands on, following developments closely. >> > ___ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
[WikiEN-l] Social ideas (was Hi there)
> Stevertigo wrote: > > But do I understand correctly, Emily, that > > by "social aspects" you mean more what we might call "community," or > > "collective," or perhaps "synergetic" aspects? > Emily Monroe wrote: > Yes, that's what I mean! > I'll be interested to see where this discussion goes. > (Because we've gotten our hellos out of the way, I've retitled the thread) It generally "goes" nowhere here unless you seed it with a question or idea. If your stated interest can be translated into a question, it might go something like: What socially-oriented ideas might make Wikipedia better? Though you may not yet understand the intricacies, it still would not be out of place for you to suggest some ideas yourself. Especially when you want to start a new conversation. In threads like this, we can deal with a few different things at once, and who knows what might come up? I myself am wondering if anyone has seen any userboxes made into bumperstickers. -Steven ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
