[WikiEN-l] Weekly Flagged Protection update
As requested, here's the weekly Flagged Protection update. This week we've seen a lot of helpful testing from at least 15 people, and we'd love to see more before launch. To participate, start here: http://flaggedrevs.labs.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page To see what we've changed this week, there's a list here: http://flaggedrevs.labs.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia:Flagged_Protection_updates#2010_Mar_25 To see the upcoming work, it's listed in our tracker, under Current and Backlog: http://www.pivotaltracker.com/projects/46157 There will likely be more work than that before launch as user feedback comes in; we just added a number of items based on tester feedback. But if this week's feedback is any guide, we don't appear to have much major work remaining. We expect to release again next week, and each week thereafter until this goes live on the English Wikipedia. William ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of EN wiki admins
On 25 March 2010 21:55, Nathan wrote: > On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 5:48 PM, geni wrote: >> On 25 March 2010 21:03, Nathan wrote: >>> A couple more questions to which I don't know the answer: >>> >>> 1) What is the total administrative workload now compared to previous >>> periods? >> >> The peak was probably back when we sorted out the fair use issues. I'd >> say that beyond that it's pretty typical. >> > > > Typical to what period of time? Presumably the anti-vandal bots, > huggle and the abuse filter cut down on the need for administrators > working in that area, as an example. Reverting vandalism has never been an admin job, it's blocking the vandals that needs and admin and the anti-vandal bots don't help with that. There are tools that add the block templates to user talk pages automatically, which helps, but that's about it. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of EN wiki admins
On 25 March 2010 21:55, Nathan wrote: > Typical to what period of time? Presumably the anti-vandal bots, > huggle and the abuse filter cut down on the need for administrators > working in that area, as an example. Abuse filter perhaps but the others if anything increase the demand for the use of block tools. -- geni ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of EN wiki admins
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 5:48 PM, geni wrote: > On 25 March 2010 21:03, Nathan wrote: >> A couple more questions to which I don't know the answer: >> >> 1) What is the total administrative workload now compared to previous >> periods? > > The peak was probably back when we sorted out the fair use issues. I'd > say that beyond that it's pretty typical. > Typical to what period of time? Presumably the anti-vandal bots, huggle and the abuse filter cut down on the need for administrators working in that area, as an example. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of EN wiki admins
On 25 March 2010 21:03, Nathan wrote: > A couple more questions to which I don't know the answer: > > 1) What is the total administrative workload now compared to previous periods? The peak was probably back when we sorted out the fair use issues. I'd say that beyond that it's pretty typical. -- geni ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of EN wiki admins
A couple more questions to which I don't know the answer: 1) What is the total administrative workload now compared to previous periods? 2) Is there a mean period of activity for editors, and do we reduce the number of new administrators (or the period during which new administrators are active) by demanding longer tenure at RfA? Nathan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of EN wiki admins
On 25 March 2010 20:51, The Cunctator wrote: > By all measures, en.wiki has been in decline for years as an active project. > It's just the typical death by bureaucracy that most projects like this > undergo. I think "death" is overstating it. Many things show rapid growth followed by a small decline before stabilising. That's what I think is happening with enwiki (the rate of decline in many metrics has massively reduced compared to just after their peaks). You are, however, right to state that what we're seeing with admin numbers is replicated by most other statistics. It would probably be best to look at the ratio of active admins to active Wikipedians. Since both groups have shrunk since around 2006/2007, the ratio may have stayed roughly steady. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of EN wiki admins
By all measures, en.wiki has been in decline for years as an active project. It's just the typical death by bureaucracy that most projects like this undergo. On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Kwan Ting Chan wrote: > WereSpielChequers wrote: > >> >> What are the likely results of a dwindling number of admins, and a >> growing wikigeneration gap between admins and other editors? >> >> > Well, they're not dwindling since admin rights don't get taken away on > inactivity. ;-) But to the general question, because the standard expected > of a candidate for RfA has gone up over the years? > > KTC > > -- > Experience is a good school but the fees are high. >- Heinrich Heine > > ___ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > > ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of EN wiki admins
On 25 March 2010 20:45, Kwan Ting Chan wrote: > Well, they're not dwindling since admin rights don't get taken away on > inactivity. ;-) But to the general question, because the standard expected > of a candidate for RfA has gone up over the years? And because going through a continuously ratcheted-up gauntlet is rather too demeaning for people to consider worth the effort? - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of EN wiki admins
WereSpielChequers wrote: What are the likely results of a dwindling number of admins, and a growing wikigeneration gap between admins and other editors? Well, they're not dwindling since admin rights don't get taken away on inactivity. ;-) But to the general question, because the standard expected of a candidate for RfA has gone up over the years? KTC -- Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine PGP.sig Description: PGP signature ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of EN wiki admins
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 1:24 PM, WereSpielChequers wrote: > The number of admins on the English Wikipedia may possibly have > peaked, and the number of active admins is 20% down on its peak of a > couple of years ago. > > Dec 2009, Jan 2010 and February 2010 had only 19 successful RFAs > between them, with December and January both equalling the previous > all time low of 6. March 2010 is not yet over, but with less than 7 > days left and no-one running, it looks like 2 is a new record monthly > low for RFA, and 15 a new record low for a quarter. > > Those who are becoming admins are mostly the tale end of the classes > of 2006/7, as we currently have only 34 admins who started editing in > 2008, and only 4 from the class of 2009. > > Are other projects experiencing a similar phenomena? > > What are the likely results of a dwindling number of admins, and a > growing wikigeneration gap between admins and other editors? > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:WereSpielChequers/RFA_by_month > > Regards > > WereSpielChequers Thanks for bringing the data up here. I hadn't noticed the trend this year yet. Fundamental question 1 - Do we have enough admins? Fewer may not be a problem, or it may be a huge problem. Fundamental question 2 - How long are admins from each set elected staying active? We've had a total of 1841 promotions, of which 870 are still active. I'd almost like to go through each admin's history, from account creation to adminship to end of active adminship (even better, month by month edit and admin activities) to see how long we're keeping people. This isn't hard statistics, but I don't know where all the source data is to try and do the data reduction on it... Ideas, or info sources? -- -george william herbert george.herb...@gmail.com ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
[WikiEN-l] At University of Denver, Journalism Students Required to Write Wikipedia Entries
Folks, >From Resource Shelf http://www.resourceshelf.com/2010/03/25/at-university-of-denver-journalism-students-required-to-write-wikipedia-entries/ College students know the online resource of which they dare not speak: Wikipedia, the voluminous internet encyclopedia demonized by many in higher education—and a resource that two University of Denver instructors use as a centerpiece of their curriculum. Denver journalism students are writing Wikipedia entries as part of a curriculum that stresses online writing and content creation as readers move to the web en masse. Journalism instructors Lynn Schofield Clark and Christof Demont-Heinrich said students are told to check their sourcing carefully, just as they would for an assignment at a local newspaper. [Snip] Students in the university’s Media, Film, and Journalism Studies Department have composed 24 Wikipedia articles this year, covering everything from the gold standard to San Juan Mountains to bimettalism, an antiquated monetary standard. Demont-Heinrich said the Wikipedia entries didn’t require old-school shoe leather reporting—because the online encyclopedia bars the use of original quotes—but they taught students how to thoroughly research a topic* before publishing to a site viewed by more than 68 million people a month… * We wonder if the University of Denver library, librarians, and library resources were part of the training? Sorry if someone has already posted this. -- Keith Old 62050121 (w) 62825360 (h) 0429478376 (m) ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
[WikiEN-l] declining numbers of EN wiki admins
The number of admins on the English Wikipedia may possibly have peaked, and the number of active admins is 20% down on its peak of a couple of years ago. Dec 2009, Jan 2010 and February 2010 had only 19 successful RFAs between them, with December and January both equalling the previous all time low of 6. March 2010 is not yet over, but with less than 7 days left and no-one running, it looks like 2 is a new record monthly low for RFA, and 15 a new record low for a quarter. Those who are becoming admins are mostly the tale end of the classes of 2006/7, as we currently have only 34 admins who started editing in 2008, and only 4 from the class of 2009. Are other projects experiencing a similar phenomena? What are the likely results of a dwindling number of admins, and a growing wikigeneration gap between admins and other editors? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:WereSpielChequers/RFA_by_month Regards WereSpielChequers ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Firefox can't find the server at en.wikipedia.org.
I believe we had some volunteers standing at the routers shouting "it's right over there!", but to no avail. On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:31 AM, Michael Peel wrote: > It's good to see that downtime on Wikipedia is sufficiently rare > nowadays that it's a newsworthy event when it does happen: > > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/wikipedia/7514826/Wikipedia- > goes-down.html > > Mike > > On 24 Mar 2010, at 19:44, George Herbert wrote: > >> It's all over the tech blog and wider net - but to repeat it here, >> there was a cooling failure at the datacenter the European servers are >> in, there was a DNS glitch in the recovery procedures for a datacenter >> outage for routing the traffic back to Florida, and the DNS outage has >> resolved itself for nearly everyone by now. >> >> The secure server is still down, but nearly everything else should be >> more or less all up, running out of Florida. >> >> See for example: >> >> http://techblog.wikimedia.org/2010/03/global-outage-cooling-failure- >> and-dns/#comments >> >> http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/Server_admin_log >> >> On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:19 AM, WereSpielChequers >> wrote: >>> Anyone know what happened to wikipedia this afternoon? >>> >>> "Firefox can't find the server at en.wikipedia.org" >>> >>> WereSpielChequers >> >> >> >> >> -- >> -george william herbert >> george.herb...@gmail.com >> >> ___ >> WikiEN-l mailing list >> WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > > > ___ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] It's Only a Theory (and free culture)
I got to hand it to that man- to be trolling to that degree, and for people not to be noticing, and actually paying you money for it, that right there is top-flight trolling! On 25/03/2010, Carcharoth wrote: > For those in the UK who can access the BBC iPlayer, you might be > interested in yesterday's episode of a comedy/debate program called > "It's Only a Theory". The show is obscure, but not obscure enough to > not have a Wikipedia article: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_Only_a_Theory > > Episode 7: > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00nxks7 > > That episode featured Andrew Keen (the second guest), who presented > his theory that "user-generated media is killing culture and economy". > He didn't mention Wikipedia (he was more focused on blogs and social > networking sites and free downloads of music), though at the end he > did bring in free culture as part of his argument (saying that free > culture can be damaging). A bit lightweight (the show is part comedy > part semi-serious debate), but interesting. > > If you don't want to watch the Andrew Keen bit, the first guest talks > about the threat of bees becoming extinct or seriously depleted, which > is worth watching. For the record, the bee killing theory was rejected > and the user-generated media theory was accepted (again, the voting is > not entirely serious). > > Oh, and that page I linked to has a 3-minute clip focused on the > segment "Is User Generated Media Killing our Culture?" > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00542f2 > > Carcharoth > > ___ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > -- -Ian Woollard ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
[WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikipedia-l] Trending Topics On Wikipedia
-- Forwarded message -- From: Everton Zanella Alvarenga Date: 2010/3/15 Subject: [Wikipedia-l] Trending Topics On Wikipedia To: "Mailing list do Capítulo brasileiro da Wikimedia." , wikipedi...@lists.wikimedia.org Google has Google Trends, Twitter has trending topics, and now so does Wikipedia. Pete Skomoroch, a Senior Research Scientist at LinkedIn and blogger at Data Wrangling, built a trending topics page for Wikipedia. The homepage ranks the top-25 Wikipedia articles with the most pageviews over the past 30 days, as well as the fastest rising articles in the past 24 hours. More: http://techcrunch.com/2010/03/11/wikipedia-trending-topics/ http://www.trendingtopics.org/ -- http://blogdotom.wordpress.com/sobre ___ Wikipedia-l mailing list wikipedi...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
[WikiEN-l] It's Only a Theory (and free culture)
For those in the UK who can access the BBC iPlayer, you might be interested in yesterday's episode of a comedy/debate program called "It's Only a Theory". The show is obscure, but not obscure enough to not have a Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_Only_a_Theory Episode 7: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00nxks7 That episode featured Andrew Keen (the second guest), who presented his theory that "user-generated media is killing culture and economy". He didn't mention Wikipedia (he was more focused on blogs and social networking sites and free downloads of music), though at the end he did bring in free culture as part of his argument (saying that free culture can be damaging). A bit lightweight (the show is part comedy part semi-serious debate), but interesting. If you don't want to watch the Andrew Keen bit, the first guest talks about the threat of bees becoming extinct or seriously depleted, which is worth watching. For the record, the bee killing theory was rejected and the user-generated media theory was accepted (again, the voting is not entirely serious). Oh, and that page I linked to has a 3-minute clip focused on the segment "Is User Generated Media Killing our Culture?" http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00542f2 Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] bringing back the theory
On 21 March 2010 16:25, Tyler wrote: > I'm new to this list, but I read in this beloved book I own that there has > been an ongoing discussion that accounts created at the English Wikipedia > will one day also work for Wiktionary, foreign Wikipedias and other Wikimedia > projects. How come that hasn't come yet? Single User Login, which is alive and well and working! http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Unified_login Basically, it should Just Work - you log into one project, it tells you it's logging you in everywhere else too, and then if you go to another WMF wiki you see yourself logged in there too. See that page on meta for assorted hiccups in this ideal vision :-) - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
[WikiEN-l] bringing back the theory
I'm new to this list, but I read in this beloved book I own that there has been an ongoing discussion that accounts created at the English Wikipedia will one day also work for Wiktionary, foreign Wikipedias and other Wikimedia projects. How come that hasn't come yet? ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
