Re: [WikiEN-l] Amazonified Wikipedia

2010-12-10 Thread Tony Sidaway
Apropos nothing in particular: Facebook must die.

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Re: [WikiEN-l] CZ fork: Tendrl

2010-12-10 Thread Tony Sidaway
Four or five years ago I quite confidently pronounced it unlikely that
the success of Wikipedia could be sustained beyond 2010. Once the
novelty wore off, I thought, people would drift away to the next shiny
new thing.

By now it seems clear that Wikipedia could last at least another six
months or so, to my surprise and delight. I too will toast the
problems of success in our January celebrations.

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Re: [WikiEN-l] CZ fork: Tendrl

2010-12-10 Thread David Gerard
On 10 December 2010 20:52, Charles Matthews
 wrote:

> Hmm. I've just thought of a generalisation about WP, which I haven't
> immediately discarded (a freakish circumstance). WP has problems - hoo
> boy - but they are the problems of success. When they bring out the cake
> with the ten candles, let's all make a wish: that we continue to have
> that sort of problem, not the ones the competition has.


I wonder at competitors that attempt to solve problems of huge
success, but don't address the problem of utter obscurity, i.e. the
one they actually have.


- d.

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Re: [WikiEN-l] CZ fork: Tendrl

2010-12-10 Thread Charles Matthews
On 10/12/2010 05:02, Steve Bennett wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:15 PM, David Gerard  wrote:
>> http://www.basicprogramming.org/larsent/tendrl/index.php/Tendrl:Differences
>> Everyone uses their own real names.
> Meh. You lose good editors that way.
>
>> Potential contributors need to create an account to edit, but don't have to 
>> provide an autobiography.
> Sure, why not?
>
>> Have only one or two bodies with clearly-defined authority. People have 
>> common sense: trust them to use it.
> That'll scale.
>
>> Experts are invited to review articles, but they need to contribute as a 
>> regular editor for some time first.
> I'm sure the experts who are already tripping over themselves to write
> wikipedia articles will love that.
>
>> We have a zero-tolerance policy on sniping and offensive remarks.
>> Have a culture that looks down upon incivility and poisonousness with a 
>> sense of humour:>laugh about things.
> That's not zero-tolerance. That's the way every project starts.
>
>> Ensure that (administrators|wardens|whatever we decide to call them) feel no 
>> qualms about>kicking out clearly disruptive people.
> If it was clear to everyone who the disruptive people were, there
> would never be any problems. But one person's troll is another
> person's misunderstood genius.

Hmm. I've just thought of a generalisation about WP, which I haven't 
immediately discarded (a freakish circumstance). WP has problems - hoo 
boy - but they are the problems of success. When they bring out the cake 
with the ten candles, let's all make a wish: that we continue to have 
that sort of problem, not the ones the competition has.

Charles


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Re: [WikiEN-l] CZ fork: Tendrl

2010-12-10 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 12:02 AM, Steve Bennett  wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:15 PM, David Gerard  wrote:
>>Ensure that (administrators|wardens|whatever we decide to call them) feel no 
>>qualms about >kicking out clearly disruptive people.
>
> If it was clear to everyone who the disruptive people were, there
> would never be any problems. But one person's troll is another
> person's misunderstood genius.

It doesn't have to be clear to everyone, just to the people in charge.

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Re: [WikiEN-l] What proportion of articles are stubs?

2010-12-10 Thread MuZemike
[citation needed]

-MuZemike

On 12/9/2010 10:55 PM, Steve Bennett wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 7:50 AM, Andrew Gray  
> wrote:
>> On 29 November 2010 20:42, Charles Matthews
>>   wrote:
>>
>>> So does clicking "Random Article" and (gasp) judging for one's own self
>>> what is a stub produce a figure very different from 50%?
>>
>> I hit random and immediately produced a category error :-)
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanarce
>>
>> One prose sentence! But on the other hand, a demographic table, and a
>> map, and an infobox, and some statistics, and a navbox. Stub or not
>> stub?
>
> *typity-typity-type-type*
>
> Not stub!
>
> Steve
>
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