Re: [WikiEN-l] How to start a viable competitor to Wikipedia? Step 1 allow people to edit

[Ancient Apparition]

Sorry, good point MuZemike, that's what I meant. The world would benefit
more
if the kind folks at Conservapedia tore down the site. Andrew Schlafly is
full of
bull... Colbert's interview with him is... interesting, tch, yeah Wikipedia
is "biased"
Dream on Schlafly!

-- 
-Ancient Apparition **
*English Wikipedia Abuse Response and Account Creations team member*
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Re: [WikiEN-l] How to start a viable competitor to Wikipedia? Step 1 allow people to edit

[MuZemike]

Not to be supporting Conservapedia (more like playing Devil's Advocate), 
but isn't "rewriting history" different from "reinterpreting history"? 
It's like interpreting The Bible; that is, there are different 
interpretations of the entire book that span the entire one-dimensional 
political spectrum.

-MuZemike

On 4/10/2011 9:21 PM, Ancient Apparition wrote:
> Conservapedia seeks to rewrite history, it makes Convservative Christians
> look like uninformed idiots, most Christians ALREADY KNOW that man did
> land on the moon, the earth isn't flat, dinosaurs did exist, the earth
> CAN'T possibly be 6000 years old and that the earth revolves around the sun.
>
> I wonder what would have happened if scientists from the Middle Ages onwards
> were allowed to develop their theories, we MIGHT have solved most of the
> world's problems, or ended it early. Either way, it was the church's failure
> to
> accept change that held back the development of "superior Western
> culture", the early Europeans were largely responsible for delaying the
> advancement of technology.
>
> The early Europeans did the "will of God", was doing the will of God
> forcibly
> delaying technological advances and forcing your religious beliefs on
> another
> person? I'm fairly certain the New Testament is different to the Old
> Testament
> in that it doesn't encourage violence as the means for conversion...
>
> The "assimilate or die" behaviour was dismissed in the Old Testament.
> Instead
> Jesus preached love if I'm correct. Sure the NT says "atheists and heathens"
> will rot in eternal damnation, but it doesn't hold the "assimilate or die"
> belief.''
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Re: [WikiEN-l] How to start a viable competitor to Wikipedia? Step 1 allow people to edit

[Ancient Apparition]

Conservapedia seeks to rewrite history, it makes Convservative Christians
look like uninformed idiots, most Christians ALREADY KNOW that man did
land on the moon, the earth isn't flat, dinosaurs did exist, the earth
CAN'T possibly be 6000 years old and that the earth revolves around the sun.

I wonder what would have happened if scientists from the Middle Ages onwards
were allowed to develop their theories, we MIGHT have solved most of the
world's problems, or ended it early. Either way, it was the church's failure
to
accept change that held back the development of "superior Western
culture", the early Europeans were largely responsible for delaying the
advancement of technology.

The early Europeans did the "will of God", was doing the will of God
forcibly
delaying technological advances and forcing your religious beliefs on
another
person? I'm fairly certain the New Testament is different to the Old
Testament
in that it doesn't encourage violence as the means for conversion...

The "assimilate or die" behaviour was dismissed in the Old Testament.
Instead
Jesus preached love if I'm correct. Sure the NT says "atheists and heathens"
will rot in eternal damnation, but it doesn't hold the "assimilate or die"
belief.''
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Re: [WikiEN-l] How to start a viable competitor to Wikipedia? Step 1 allow people to edit

[Bob the Wikipedian]

But Europeans might contaminate Conservapedia with *gasp* things that 
don't test your faith!

That site's a mess. Better that the world /doesn't/ see it, really. They 
might start thinking conservative Christians (like myself) are all that 
ignorant. And according to the article on dinosaurs, I'm an atheistic 
liberal junk scientist because I believe in evolution. Last I checked, 
I'm a devout Catholic who values modern science as a supplement to my 
faith. And interestingly, theories that are commonly turned down by 
theists were actually developed by devout theists (heliocentrism, big 
bang, evolution).

God bless,
Bob

On 4/10/2011 4:46 PM, Ian Woollard wrote:
> On 10/04/2011, Thomas Dalton  wrote:
>> I get this error:
>>
>> "Forbidden
>> You don't have permission to access / on this server.
>>
>> Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to
>> use an ErrorDocument to handle the request. "
>> Blocking whole countries from viewing your website seems very
>> counter-productive to me...
> Yes, it's such a shame that us heathens in Europe are denied the great
> knowledge of how the kangaroos managed to cling to logs after the
> great flood, as with all of the other marsupials, individually, so
> that they ended up only in Australia, and also how they managed to
> develop sufficient genetic diversity in such a short time to be a
> viable population.
>
> Instead, we have to put up with the drivel in the Wikipedia, based on
> *mere* observation, genetic analysis, fossils, biology, geology,
> physics, chemistry and mathematics.
>
> Something MUST be done to unblock this goldmine! I *would* suggest
> that the WMF mirror the Conservapedia, but, alas, after checking the
> Conservapedia license to use the work, unlike the more restrictive
> license the Wikipedia uses, it appears to be revokable at will(!)
>
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Re: [WikiEN-l] How to start a viable competitor to Wikipedia? Step 1 allow people to edit

[Ian Woollard]

On 10/04/2011, Thomas Dalton  wrote:
> I get this error:
>
> "Forbidden
> You don't have permission to access / on this server.
>
> Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to
> use an ErrorDocument to handle the request. "

> Blocking whole countries from viewing your website seems very
> counter-productive to me...

Yes, it's such a shame that us heathens in Europe are denied the great
knowledge of how the kangaroos managed to cling to logs after the
great flood, as with all of the other marsupials, individually, so
that they ended up only in Australia, and also how they managed to
develop sufficient genetic diversity in such a short time to be a
viable population.

Instead, we have to put up with the drivel in the Wikipedia, based on
*mere* observation, genetic analysis, fossils, biology, geology,
physics, chemistry and mathematics.

Something MUST be done to unblock this goldmine! I *would* suggest
that the WMF mirror the Conservapedia, but, alas, after checking the
Conservapedia license to use the work, unlike the more restrictive
license the Wikipedia uses, it appears to be revokable at will(!)

-- 
-Ian Woollard

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Re: [WikiEN-l] The viable competitors to Wikipedia.

[Bob the Wikipedian]

Haha, yes. And we certainly seem to be cutting out those who don't wish 
to identify.

God bless,
Bob

On 4/10/2011 2:44 PM, geni wrote:
> On 8 April 2011 23:07, Bob the Wikipedian  wrote:
>> A relatively successful wiki competitor is the Encyclopedia of Life.
>> Here's how that site works:
>> *Experts write articles (similar to the original Nupedia, only they
>> dint' give up after nine articles)
>> *Articles that are lacking are temporarily imported from Wikipedia
>> *Wikipedia articles which are reviewed and approved by experts become
>> permanent content
>> *Taxonomic data is imported from various databases, including WORMS,
>> ITIS, and various other trusted names.
>> *The public (supposedly) may contribute information (though I've not
>> figured out how yet)
>> *The public may contribute tagged freely licensed photos to the wiki by
>> uploading them to the EOL's Flickr photostream where a bot adds them
>> regularly.
>>
>> On the surface, EOL looks like it's doing quite well and has a lot of
>> useful information and photos, and I even use it sometimes for research
>> when Wikipedia doesn't satisfy my hunger :-[ . But if you ask me,
>> they've made it too difficult to learn to contribute, barring out
>> potential editors like myself.
>>
>> God bless,
>> Bob
>
> Thing is their business model appears to be to start with $50 million
> of funding and proceed to hire whoever you need to write your
> encyclopedia.
>
> Admittedly given the foundation's spending plans of late it appears
> the WMF is interested the same model.
>
>

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Re: [WikiEN-l] The viable competitors to Wikipedia.

[geni]

On 8 April 2011 23:07, Bob the Wikipedian  wrote:
> A relatively successful wiki competitor is the Encyclopedia of Life.
> Here's how that site works:
> *Experts write articles (similar to the original Nupedia, only they
> dint' give up after nine articles)
> *Articles that are lacking are temporarily imported from Wikipedia
> *Wikipedia articles which are reviewed and approved by experts become
> permanent content
> *Taxonomic data is imported from various databases, including WORMS,
> ITIS, and various other trusted names.
> *The public (supposedly) may contribute information (though I've not
> figured out how yet)
> *The public may contribute tagged freely licensed photos to the wiki by
> uploading them to the EOL's Flickr photostream where a bot adds them
> regularly.
>
> On the surface, EOL looks like it's doing quite well and has a lot of
> useful information and photos, and I even use it sometimes for research
> when Wikipedia doesn't satisfy my hunger :-[ . But if you ask me,
> they've made it too difficult to learn to contribute, barring out
> potential editors like myself.
>
> God bless,
> Bob


Thing is their business model appears to be to start with $50 million
of funding and proceed to hire whoever you need to write your
encyclopedia.

Admittedly given the foundation's spending plans of late it appears
the WMF is interested the same model.


-- 
geni

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Re: [WikiEN-l] How to start a viable competitor to Wikipedia? Step 1 allow people to edit

[Thomas Dalton]

On 9 April 2011 13:00, David Gerard  wrote:
> On 9 April 2011 12:53, WereSpielChequers  wrote:
>
>> Interestingly only Liberapedia and one of the conservative sites,
>> http://www.astorehouseofknowledge.info/Main_Page are actually open for
>> editing. Conservapedia  http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page
>> currently comes up as a 404 and
>> http://conservapedia.wikkii.com/wiki/Main_Page allows you to create an
>> account, but not to edit, not even to edit your own talkpage
>
>
> 404 or 403? Conservapedia user TK (TK-CP on Wikipedia) had a programme
> of doing huge rangeblocks on entire countries, keeping them from even
> *viewing* the site. He passed away in December and since then it's
> been unlocked slightly, but I believe most or all of the UK is still
> under a rangeblock ...

I get this error:

"Forbidden
You don't have permission to access / on this server.

Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to
use an ErrorDocument to handle the request. "

That looks like a 403, although it doesn't contain the number. The
mention of 404 is a reference to the error page not being found (so
using the server's default error page instead).

Blocking whole countries from viewing your website seems very
counter-productive to me...

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Re: [WikiEN-l] The viable competitors to Wikipedia.

[Martijn Hoekstra]

On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 8:26 PM, David Goodman  wrote:
> I've also suggested this, calling it  '''Wikipedia Two'' - an
> encyclopedia supplement where the standard of notability  is much
> relaxed, but which will be different from Wikia by still requiring
> WP:Verifiability, and NPOV. It would include the lower levels of
> barely  notable articles in Wikipedia, and the upper levels of a good
> deal of what we do not let in.  It would for example include both high
> schools and elementary schools. It would include college athletes. It
> would include political candidates. It would include neighborhood
> businesses, and fire departments.  It would include individual
> asteroids. It would include anyone who had a credited role in a film,
> or any named character in one--both the ones we currently leave out,
> and the ones we put in.  This should satisfy both the inclusionists
> and the deletionists. The deletionists will have this material out of
> Wikipedia, the inclusionists will have it not rejected.
>
> But it would be interesting to see a search option:
> Do you want to see everything (WP+WP2), or only the notable(W)?
> Anyone care to guess which people would choose?
>

While I agree with the general idea (I would love for example an
[[Obscure:]] namespace) we need to make sure that WP:V, and especially
WP:Synth is guarded vehemently. We need to keep thinking about what
Wikipedia is, and it is WP:NOT, and keep actively thinking about if
that is still what we want it to be, and act upon it.

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Re: [WikiEN-l] How to start a viable competitor to Wikipedia? Step 1 allow people to edit

[fridaesdoom]

I think that the 404 might be the blocks Sarah was talking about.

-James.
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