Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia as part of a social media strategy for hotels
So people, I would like to request that all the old non-notable articles be given to me for archiving on speedydeletion, artists, bands, websites, hotels etc, would that be possible? thanks mike On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote: On Sat, 30 Jun 2012, WereSpielChequers wrote: I'm not inclined to shed a tear for hotel articles, many of which are I suspect being created by spammers, but David makes an important point re cultural bias from our lack of sources in certain parts of the world. Wasn't there a probem where Jimbo wrote an article for a restaurant in South Africa and people tried to delete it for this reason? ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org Contributor FOSM, the CC-BY-SA map of the world http://fosm.org Mozilla Rep https://reps.mozilla.org/u/h4ck3rm1k3 ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
[WikiEN-l] Central location for article content queries and requests
Does anyone know of a central location for article content queries and requests? I'm not necessarily talking about emergency fixes or vandalism, but more subtle problems about content that may need discussion but where it can be difficult to find people willing to tackle the request. The reason I'm looking for something like this can be seen in the discussion here (static page version): http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Editor_assistance/Requestsoldid=500447721#Georg_Andreas_B.C3.B6ckler The article talk page is almost certainly the first place to go, followed by additional notes to the article editors and in other locations in case no-one is watching the article. But even then, it would be nice to have a location where such requests can be posted (or automatically listed) to draw more attention to them and to allow people to help answer them (similar to how the edit request template works). Would something like that have any chance of being useful? Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Central location for article content queries and requests
Wasn't this part of what the Content noticeboard was intended for? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Content_noticeboard --Ed On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 2:08 AM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.comwrote: Does anyone know of a central location for article content queries and requests? I'm not necessarily talking about emergency fixes or vandalism, but more subtle problems about content that may need discussion but where it can be difficult to find people willing to tackle the request. The reason I'm looking for something like this can be seen in the discussion here (static page version): http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Editor_assistance/Requestsoldid=500447721#Georg_Andreas_B.C3.B6ckler The article talk page is almost certainly the first place to go, followed by additional notes to the article editors and in other locations in case no-one is watching the article. But even then, it would be nice to have a location where such requests can be posted (or automatically listed) to draw more attention to them and to allow people to help answer them (similar to how the edit request template works). Would something like that have any chance of being useful? Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Central location for article content queries and requests
Does anyone know of a central location for article content queries and requests? That would have been Wikipedia:Content noticeboard However, hardly anyone used it or monitored it, so it was a neglected corner. We need central places which are used and monitored even if the stuff on them is not finely differentiated. If it is brought back it would need to be more effective. Fred ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Central location for article content queries and requests
On 3 July 2012 12:27, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: That would have been Wikipedia:Content noticeboard However, hardly anyone used it or monitored it, so it was a neglected corner. We need central places which are used and monitored even if the stuff on them is not finely differentiated. If it is brought back it would need to be more effective. This would have been the right place for corporate editors too. Looks like the bottleneck is people who care enough to watch it. - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Central location for article content queries and requests
On 3 July 2012 08:08, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: The article talk page is almost certainly the first place to go, followed by additional notes to the article editors and in other locations in case no-one is watching the article. But even then, it would be nice to have a location where such requests can be posted (or automatically listed) to draw more attention to them and to allow people to help answer them (similar to how the edit request template works). Would something like that have any chance of being useful? There is the RfC mechanism for attracting attention, but that tends to imply a level of importance, or of it being a contentious issue, that I'm not sure you're wanting here. Ditto the smaller-scale third-opinion system. As Kudpung notes, it'd be lovely if we had some kind of issue-tracking system, but in practice we probably don't have the number of people needed to handle that... -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Central location for article content queries and requests
On 3 July 2012 12:27, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: That would have been Wikipedia:Content noticeboard However, hardly anyone used it or monitored it, so it was a neglected corner. We need central places which are used and monitored even if the stuff on them is not finely differentiated. If it is brought back it would need to be more effective. This would have been the right place for corporate editors too. Looks like the bottleneck is people who care enough to watch it. - d. I think we are experiencing a decrease in volunteer activity; there are ways of measuring that of course, but it is particularly noticeable in editing. Consolidating the areas of focus would probably improve our responsiveness. It is possible the title of Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard should include the word content to clarify its purpose. Also, often a content issue is not a dispute, just a request to improve content. Fred ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Central location for article content queries and requests
On 03/07/2012, at 5:01 AM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: On 3 July 2012 08:08, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: As Kudpung notes, it'd be lovely if we had some kind of issue-tracking system, but in practice we probably don't have the number of people needed to handle that... You mean like an OTRS system or a robot or something? -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l Steven Zhang ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Central location for article content queries and requests
On 03/07/2012, at 5:01 AM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: On 3 July 2012 08:08, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: As Kudpung notes, it'd be lovely if we had some kind of issue-tracking system, but in practice we probably don't have the number of people needed to handle that... You mean like an OTRS system or a robot or something? I suppose there is some obscure section of OTRS that does that already. Not that even someone who has OTRS access could find the stovepipe. Fred ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Central location for article content queries and requests
On 3 July 2012 13:11, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: I suppose there is some obscure section of OTRS that does that already. Not that even someone who has OTRS access could find the stovepipe. I thought there was a boilerplate response on content issues (other than legal or BLP) that said so fix it. - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia as part of a social media strategy for hotels
Mike do you realise how big a task that would be? We have stats going back to December 2004 showing millions of such deletions. We have data going back further, but some of our earliest edits are no longer available. Providing we screen out the children releasing personal details, the copyvio and the attack pages then I doubt anyone would mind you having the genuinely non-notable. But that means that each such deleted article would need to be reviewed before giving it to you, and there are millions of them. Worse still only admins can access those deleted edits and though our editing community as a whole is broadly stable, the number of active admins has sharply declined. I would suggest that if you want a freely available source of non-noteable articles you look at our redirects. In particular look for redirects that aren't just a different spelling of the name, and that have had multiple edits. That should get you the articles on songs that have been redirected to the article on a band and of fictional characters that have been redirected to the film they appeared in. You don't need access to deleted revisions and generally they will be closer to notability than garage band that will be the next big thing on the Stoke Poges grunge scene once they've recruited a drummer. WSC On 3 July 2012 07:34, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: So people, I would like to request that all the old non-notable articles be given to me for archiving on speedydeletion, artists, bands, websites, hotels etc, would that be possible? thanks mike On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote: On Sat, 30 Jun 2012, WereSpielChequers wrote: I'm not inclined to shed a tear for hotel articles, many of which are I suspect being created by spammers, but David makes an important point re cultural bias from our lack of sources in certain parts of the world. Wasn't there a probem where Jimbo wrote an article for a restaurant in South Africa and people tried to delete it for this reason? ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org Contributor FOSM, the CC-BY-SA map of the world http://fosm.org Mozilla Rep https://reps.mozilla.org/u/h4ck3rm1k3 ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Central location for article content queries and requests
Most articles belong to a Wikiproject (or can be given to one with a little tagging), and if a wikiproject is even semiactive it will have people with specialist knowledge. So I'd suggest if you need help on an article, post a query on the relevant WikiProject page. And if there isn't a Wikiproject tag already on the talkpage feel free to add one that seems relevant. Alternatively put a query on the talkpages of people who've edited the article or relevant related ones. SoFixIt doesn't always work, sometimes it helps to seek out experts, but in my experience such people appreciate a query that is relevant to their expertise. That's why IMHO the content noticeboard and similar overcentralised mechanisms won't work. Patience also helps, not every expert will be here every month. WSC On 3 July 2012 08:08, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: Does anyone know of a central location for article content queries and requests? I'm not necessarily talking about emergency fixes or vandalism, but more subtle problems about content that may need discussion but where it can be difficult to find people willing to tackle the request. The reason I'm looking for something like this can be seen in the discussion here (static page version): http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Editor_assistance/Requestsoldid=500447721#Georg_Andreas_B.C3.B6ckler The article talk page is almost certainly the first place to go, followed by additional notes to the article editors and in other locations in case no-one is watching the article. But even then, it would be nice to have a location where such requests can be posted (or automatically listed) to draw more attention to them and to allow people to help answer them (similar to how the edit request template works). Would something like that have any chance of being useful? Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Central location for article content queries and requests
On 7/3/12, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 July 2012 13:11, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: I suppose there is some obscure section of OTRS that does that already. Not that even someone who has OTRS access could find the stovepipe. I thought there was a boilerplate response on content issues (other than legal or BLP) that said so fix it. That is encountered on-wiki as well. As I said in the on-wiki discussion, when looking things up on Wikipedia, I notice more things that could be corrected than I have time to deal with, but (sometimes) have enough time to jot a note down. Maybe something like twitter? Notes of less than 140 characters, with pointers towards possible work to do on an article? Sometimes I get round to it later myself, one example was: Paul Fischer: Add Paul Henri Fischer to dab page. A note I left for myself on 13/01/2012 while looking up something on this person, which led to this edit four days later (when I found time to get back to this): http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Paul_Fischerdiff=471800198oldid=387201005 Admittedly, that is an example where it is quicker to do the edit than make a note about it. But there are other examples where a note can be jotted down to be looked at later at leisure. Are there public notepad facilities available? I suppose I could just continue jotting notes down, dealing with simple stuff myself (per sofixit), and transferring notes on more complicated stuff to a page in my userspace to ask others about. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Central location for article content queries and requests
On 7/3/12, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: Most articles belong to a Wikiproject (or can be given to one with a little tagging), and if a wikiproject is even semiactive it will have people with specialist knowledge. So I'd suggest if you need help on an article, post a query on the relevant WikiProject page. And if there isn't a Wikiproject tag already on the talkpage feel free to add one that seems relevant. In the case of Georg Andreas Böckler I asked the article creator (only two edits here in 2011 and none in 2012, probably more active on the Dutch Wikipedia, where I may try and contact them). I could also ask on the German Wikipedia. I have (only recently) asked on the WikiProject Biography page, but am a bit stuck as to what other WikiProjects to ask at (History of Science? Architecture?). Alternatively put a query on the talkpages of people who've edited the article or relevant related ones. Hadn't thought of the 'relevant related ones' approach. SoFixIt doesn't always work, sometimes it helps to seek out experts, but in my experience such people appreciate a query that is relevant to their expertise. That's why IMHO the content noticeboard and similar overcentralised mechanisms won't work. Patience also helps, not every expert will be here every month. Good point. Patience *is* a virtue. :-) Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Central location for article content queries and requests
As long as the query is relevant to the Wiiproject I don't see a problem in asking more than one Wikiproject. Another method I use for non-obvious things is to put a note at the top of my guestbook - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:WereSpielChequers/guestbookWhich reminds me, I need to refresh that list as there is currently only one task available. WSC On 3 July 2012 14:14, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: On 7/3/12, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: Most articles belong to a Wikiproject (or can be given to one with a little tagging), and if a wikiproject is even semiactive it will have people with specialist knowledge. So I'd suggest if you need help on an article, post a query on the relevant WikiProject page. And if there isn't a Wikiproject tag already on the talkpage feel free to add one that seems relevant. In the case of Georg Andreas Böckler I asked the article creator (only two edits here in 2011 and none in 2012, probably more active on the Dutch Wikipedia, where I may try and contact them). I could also ask on the German Wikipedia. I have (only recently) asked on the WikiProject Biography page, but am a bit stuck as to what other WikiProjects to ask at (History of Science? Architecture?). Alternatively put a query on the talkpages of people who've edited the article or relevant related ones. Hadn't thought of the 'relevant related ones' approach. SoFixIt doesn't always work, sometimes it helps to seek out experts, but in my experience such people appreciate a query that is relevant to their expertise. That's why IMHO the content noticeboard and similar overcentralised mechanisms won't work. Patience also helps, not every expert will be here every month. Good point. Patience *is* a virtue. :-) Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Central location for article content queries and requests
There has been some response now at the article talk page. It would be nice to know exactly what caused it, hopefully it was the WP:Biography note that drew more people towards this. I have found a source from 1998 (i.e. pre-Wikipedia) that gives the 1617 and 1687 dates. So presumably there is some basis for that. Though possibly this is one of those cases where earlier scholarship was too precise, and later scholarship has made things vague again. http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=bizrMAAJq=B%C3%B6ckler+1687 That source is The Mark J. Millard Architectural Collection: Northern European books, sixteenth to early nineteenth centuries. Comprised of nearly 750 volumes housed at the National Gallery of Art, the Millard Collection is one of the finest private collections of rare illustrated books and bound series of prints on European architecture, design, and topography. This series catalogues each of these beautiful and influential books, carefully describing and illustrating them. That sounds reliable. Carcharoth On 7/3/12, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: As long as the query is relevant to the Wiiproject I don't see a problem in asking more than one Wikiproject. Another method I use for non-obvious things is to put a note at the top of my guestbook - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:WereSpielChequers/guestbookWhich reminds me, I need to refresh that list as there is currently only one task available. WSC On 3 July 2012 14:14, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: On 7/3/12, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: Most articles belong to a Wikiproject (or can be given to one with a little tagging), and if a wikiproject is even semiactive it will have people with specialist knowledge. So I'd suggest if you need help on an article, post a query on the relevant WikiProject page. And if there isn't a Wikiproject tag already on the talkpage feel free to add one that seems relevant. In the case of Georg Andreas Böckler I asked the article creator (only two edits here in 2011 and none in 2012, probably more active on the Dutch Wikipedia, where I may try and contact them). I could also ask on the German Wikipedia. I have (only recently) asked on the WikiProject Biography page, but am a bit stuck as to what other WikiProjects to ask at (History of Science? Architecture?). Alternatively put a query on the talkpages of people who've edited the article or relevant related ones. Hadn't thought of the 'relevant related ones' approach. SoFixIt doesn't always work, sometimes it helps to seek out experts, but in my experience such people appreciate a query that is relevant to their expertise. That's why IMHO the content noticeboard and similar overcentralised mechanisms won't work. Patience also helps, not every expert will be here every month. Good point. Patience *is* a virtue. :-) Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia as part of a social media strategy for hotels
I am willing to do the work to prepare them, I think that I could find people to help me. please give me access, I will be responsible. mike On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 12:44 PM, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: Mike do you realise how big a task that would be? We have stats going back to December 2004 showing millions of such deletions. We have data going back further, but some of our earliest edits are no longer available. Providing we screen out the children releasing personal details, the copyvio and the attack pages then I doubt anyone would mind you having the genuinely non-notable. But that means that each such deleted article would need to be reviewed before giving it to you, and there are millions of them. Worse still only admins can access those deleted edits and though our editing community as a whole is broadly stable, the number of active admins has sharply declined. I would suggest that if you want a freely available source of non-noteable articles you look at our redirects. In particular look for redirects that aren't just a different spelling of the name, and that have had multiple edits. That should get you the articles on songs that have been redirected to the article on a band and of fictional characters that have been redirected to the film they appeared in. You don't need access to deleted revisions and generally they will be closer to notability than garage band that will be the next big thing on the Stoke Poges grunge scene once they've recruited a drummer. WSC On 3 July 2012 07:34, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: So people, I would like to request that all the old non-notable articles be given to me for archiving on speedydeletion, artists, bands, websites, hotels etc, would that be possible? thanks mike On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote: On Sat, 30 Jun 2012, WereSpielChequers wrote: I'm not inclined to shed a tear for hotel articles, many of which are I suspect being created by spammers, but David makes an important point re cultural bias from our lack of sources in certain parts of the world. Wasn't there a probem where Jimbo wrote an article for a restaurant in South Africa and people tried to delete it for this reason? ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org Contributor FOSM, the CC-BY-SA map of the world http://fosm.org Mozilla Rep https://reps.mozilla.org/u/h4ck3rm1k3 ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org Contributor FOSM, the CC-BY-SA map of the world http://fosm.org Mozilla Rep https://reps.mozilla.org/u/h4ck3rm1k3 ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia as part of a social media strategy for hotels
Hi Mike, I can't give you access to deleted edits, only the community can do that and they are notoriously picky as to who they appoint as admins. Also it is not a practical task for one person or even a dozen persons. Why don't you start with my suggestion about articles that are now redirects? WSC On 3 July 2012 16:05, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: I am willing to do the work to prepare them, I think that I could find people to help me. please give me access, I will be responsible. mike On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 12:44 PM, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: Mike do you realise how big a task that would be? We have stats going back to December 2004 showing millions of such deletions. We have data going back further, but some of our earliest edits are no longer available. Providing we screen out the children releasing personal details, the copyvio and the attack pages then I doubt anyone would mind you having the genuinely non-notable. But that means that each such deleted article would need to be reviewed before giving it to you, and there are millions of them. Worse still only admins can access those deleted edits and though our editing community as a whole is broadly stable, the number of active admins has sharply declined. I would suggest that if you want a freely available source of non-noteable articles you look at our redirects. In particular look for redirects that aren't just a different spelling of the name, and that have had multiple edits. That should get you the articles on songs that have been redirected to the article on a band and of fictional characters that have been redirected to the film they appeared in. You don't need access to deleted revisions and generally they will be closer to notability than garage band that will be the next big thing on the Stoke Poges grunge scene once they've recruited a drummer. WSC On 3 July 2012 07:34, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: So people, I would like to request that all the old non-notable articles be given to me for archiving on speedydeletion, artists, bands, websites, hotels etc, would that be possible? thanks mike On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote: On Sat, 30 Jun 2012, WereSpielChequers wrote: I'm not inclined to shed a tear for hotel articles, many of which are I suspect being created by spammers, but David makes an important point re cultural bias from our lack of sources in certain parts of the world. Wasn't there a probem where Jimbo wrote an article for a restaurant in South Africa and people tried to delete it for this reason? ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org Contributor FOSM, the CC-BY-SA map of the world http://fosm.org Mozilla Rep https://reps.mozilla.org/u/h4ck3rm1k3 ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org Contributor FOSM, the CC-BY-SA map of the world http://fosm.org Mozilla Rep https://reps.mozilla.org/u/h4ck3rm1k3 ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia as part of a social media strategy for hotels
How is this,
can you extract the following :
1. only well formed wikisyntax.
2. only where age is given, and over 18
3. only where a {{twitter|account} is given
then i will process those first, and can twitter them we can go from
the responses to process them.
mike
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 5:01 PM, WereSpielChequers
werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Mike,
I can't give you access to deleted edits, only the community can do that
and they are notoriously picky as to who they appoint as admins.
Also it is not a practical task for one person or even a dozen persons. Why
don't you start with my suggestion about articles that are now redirects?
WSC
On 3 July 2012 16:05, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote:
I am willing to do the work to prepare them, I think that I could find
people to help me.
please give me access, I will be responsible.
mike
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 12:44 PM, WereSpielChequers
werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote:
Mike do you realise how big a task that would be? We have stats going
back
to December 2004 showing millions of such deletions. We have data going
back further, but some of our earliest edits are no longer available.
Providing we screen out the children releasing personal details, the
copyvio and the attack pages then I doubt anyone would mind you having
the
genuinely non-notable. But that means that each such deleted article
would
need to be reviewed before giving it to you, and there are millions of
them. Worse still only admins can access those deleted edits and though
our
editing community as a whole is broadly stable, the number of active
admins
has sharply declined.
I would suggest that if you want a freely available source of
non-noteable
articles you look at our redirects. In particular look for redirects that
aren't just a different spelling of the name, and that have had multiple
edits. That should get you the articles on songs that have been
redirected
to the article on a band and of fictional characters that have been
redirected to the film they appeared in. You don't need access to
deleted
revisions and generally they will be closer to notability than garage
band
that will be the next big thing on the Stoke Poges grunge scene once
they've recruited a drummer.
WSC
On 3 July 2012 07:34, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
wrote:
So people, I would like to request that all the old non-notable
articles be given to me for archiving on speedydeletion,
artists, bands, websites, hotels etc, would that be possible?
thanks
mike
On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net
wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jun 2012, WereSpielChequers wrote:
I'm not inclined to shed a tear for hotel articles, many of which
are I
suspect being created by spammers, but David makes an important
point re
cultural bias from our lack of sources in certain parts of the world.
Wasn't there a probem where Jimbo wrote an article for a restaurant in
South Africa and people tried to delete it for this reason?
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[WikiEN-l] Arcade screenshot resolutions and fair use
I just stumbled on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Polyplay_menu.png . The screenshot is 511x256. According to the article, the resolution of the screen is 512x256, which means that this is basically a full image. The fair use template requires that images be web resolution and there's boilerplate which specifically says that the resolution has been decreased from the original. I don't think trimming 1 pixel from 512 really counts as decreasing the resolution. Checking other video game screenshots shows that the majority of video game screenshots are original resolution. Most of them aren't dumb enough to say that the resolution is decreased when it's not, but still claim that they are low resolution because they are web resolution. I would personally just choose to define web resolution in a common sense way and say that the original resolution is already low, but I think this is clearly not the intent. I'm not going to go fixing any fair use rationales here, but this may be worth noting as an example of a broken fair use policy. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Arcade screenshot resolutions and fair use
I don't think the entire policy is broken, but rather that it's just an interpretation of what is low-resolution. Having worked (and uploaded) many video game screenshots myself, for older, pixel-based games such as on 8-bit home computers and consoles, the difference between high-resolution and web-resolution are very small or is otherwise nonexistent. It's when you get to screenshots for more detailed games that this difference increases quite a bit. I've always tried to follow a rule of thumb to keep such non-free images below 0.1 megapixels (Yes, the example you cited is a bit too high, but not by much.) or at least to the maximum size default for thumbnails that can be set on My preferences, which is 300px. Needless to say, usage in the article plays a big part in inclusion, as well. -MuZemike On 7/3/2012 6:21 PM, Ken Arromdee wrote: I just stumbled on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Polyplay_menu.png . The screenshot is 511x256. According to the article, the resolution of the screen is 512x256, which means that this is basically a full image. The fair use template requires that images be web resolution and there's boilerplate which specifically says that the resolution has been decreased from the original. I don't think trimming 1 pixel from 512 really counts as decreasing the resolution. Checking other video game screenshots shows that the majority of video game screenshots are original resolution. Most of them aren't dumb enough to say that the resolution is decreased when it's not, but still claim that they are low resolution because they are web resolution. I would personally just choose to define web resolution in a common sense way and say that the original resolution is already low, but I think this is clearly not the intent. I'm not going to go fixing any fair use rationales here, but this may be worth noting as an example of a broken fair use policy. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
