[WikiEN-l] Oral Citations Discussion
Some time back, WMF funded research on Oral Citations. Some articles on English Wikipedia (and probably some indic wikis like hi as well from the looks of it) have begun using oral citations. However, there is no mention of their acceptability on WP:RS so far. I have taken the liberty of starting a discussion on this [1] and Im posting it on the list as I think its important that this be discussed in detail as it would be a major change to current policy, if implemented. [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Oral_Citations Kind Regards, ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione
Worse: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Makrandjoshidiff=prevoldid=108166519 I cant believe nothing has been done about this so far! From: tinucher...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 19:46:16 +0530 To: wikimediaindi...@lists.wikimedia.org; wikimedia-in...@lists.wikimedia.org; wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-in-en] [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione Another one http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Makrandjoshioldid=108166042 ( No translation needed) On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 3:53 PM, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.com wrote: I think, some are getting it all wrong. It is not about sympathies to Nichalp or who so ever. The problem is not conflict of interest editing... It is not even a philosophical debate of Paid editing Vs Volunteer editing... The problem is getting paid to white wash negative materials in favor of the clients, which eventually render Wikipedia articles biased and information suppressed... And if those people can get favors from the level of Admins, it is definitely wrong. What is more shocking is that if that if an account created possibly with a single purpose ( of protecting the interests of a business group) can manage to climb up the ladder of admin-ship of a stronger Wikipedia like en.wiki , it is definitely alarming ! At this point of time, I am giving the benefit of doubt of whether Wifione is actually Nichalp or not. But definitely an account like Wifione aka Wireless Fidelity Class One must be investigated. It is not the first time, IIPM related folks tried to infiltrate Wikipedia to get the articles in their favour. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Mrinal_Pandey I am sure that scores of such sock puppet users are still having a free run with related articles. Previous sockpuppet investigations against Wifione in 2009 returned a possible result. Imagine having an admin also with ACC ( Account Creation) toolserver authorization in the favour. What is more shocking is that one user who slapped the notice on Wifione got this message on his talk page http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Makrandjoshioldid=104617335 (which closely translates to DONT YOU GET SCARED? THESE IIPM GUYS WILL KILL YOU) Now tell me, can volunteers like you and me fearlessly edit articles related to IIPM to remove its bias, in such situations of death threats? Least I want to go to Silichar after being sued. -TC On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com wrote: hi, I think we mean this criticism only in the Wikipedia reference. It's not as if we're going to catch and hand over this guy to the Police. Such paid editing lowers the morale of other editors. Efforts must be made to stop such work that is detrimental to other Wikipedia volunteers. Then again, we're putting the cart in front of the horse. It's not been proved Nichalp and wifione are one and the same. It is hence best to discuss only about paid editing and how this practise can be identified and stopped. Pradeep Handheld On 09/02/2012, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: I would only like to remind people that showing some sympathy is not a bad thing . Coming from armed forces where there are no second places - to me the greatest sin is lack of competence, whether in language, wiki-writing, techniques or otherwise. I was told by someone that Wikipeding was a voluntary activity so high standards should not be expected in competence. If that is true, then we should not suddenly start witch-hunting on the basis of principle when we are ourselves so casual about other qualities in other ways! Without mentioning specific incidents, I have come across this tendency to crucify others in India community - which is deplorable. Before any one becomes high mighty on morals here, one should look closely at what are harmful crimes against humanity (murder, rape etc) and what are social misdemeanours (wiki-crimes). So many of us condone other faults all the time in Indian society; it is hypocrisy to be principled in issues concerning others, when we ourselves don't apply the highest standards to ourselves. In my opinion. it is NOT the business of this community to go searching for culprits unless the culprit has affected us in some manner, which does not appear to be the case. As Jesus Christ said, let he who is without blame cast the first stone. There are far better and much more important things to do here. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 9:23 PM, praveenp me.prav...@gmail.com wrote: I feel no sympathy for Nichalp or any such users ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list wikimediaindi...@lists.wikimedia.org
Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione
Wifione commented on this discussion. He redacted some comments there, a few hours later, with this edit on WP:No Original Research - he changed trial to trial/litigation in any country and published by any involved party to published/authored by any involved party and also changed Book Reviews from being considered a secondary source to being considered a primary source. Its interesting to note that the changes he made in policy relate somewhat to the discussion taking place on an article talk page where he was involved. Also, the following statements: Please provide valid sources to support this statement. MSN is not a reliable source. - Wifione 06:26, 3 February 2012 (UTC) (this discussion) The MSN article is actually an article by IANS (an independent News Agency), carried by MSN and others like Yahoo News. A comment about the same Yahoo News article: .. Yahoo link simply shows the opinion of Mr. Devi Singh from IIM Lucknow. That is a self-published statement which should not be used to make a definitive statement. - Wifione 19:02, 5 February 2012 (UTC) (Same discussion) Im not commenting on the contents of the original email, the above definitely looks a bit out of order to me. Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 19:37:01 +1100 From: jay...@gmail.com To: wikimediaindi...@lists.wikimedia.org CC: wikimedia-in...@lists.wikimedia.org; wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 7:08 PM, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.com wrote: Unbelievable but Shocking ! I am not sure if Wikifone is same as Nichalp, ... So far the evidence is not good. but a look at the edit history of Wikifone, the editor has some serious interest to protect the interests of IIPM and its stakeholders. He seems to even change policy pages to suit his cause http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ANo_original_researchaction=historysubmitdiff=475525747oldid=475410422 It looks like he re-arranged the policy a lot in that edit, but there arnt many changes. trial became trial/litigation in any country and he added independent a few times. Any interpretation of primary source material requires a reliable secondary source for that interpretation. Any interpretation of primary source material requires reliable, independent secondary sources for that interpretation. '''Do not''' analyze, synthesize, interpret, or evaluate material found in a primary source yourself; instead, refer to reliable secondary sources that do so. '''Do not''' analyze, synthesize, interpret, or evaluate material found in a primary source yourself; instead, refer to reliable, independent secondary sources that do so. Wikipedia articles usually rely on material from secondary sources. Articles may make analytic or evaluative claims only if these have been published by a reliable secondary source. Wikipedia articles usually rely on material from reliable secondary sources. Articles ''may'' make an analytic or evaluative claim ''only if'' that has been published by ''multiple'' independent, reliable secondary sources. Wifione seems to be working on IIM and Amity ( Competitors to IIPM) articles as well, possibly trying to show them in bad light. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Amity_Universityaction=historysubmitdiff=475405890oldid=474606800 Nevertheless , this has be investigated or possibly reported to Arb Com. I've alerted Arbcom as a courtesy, however a community assessment is needed in order to determine if there is any credible link to nichalp or any reason for a desysop. -- John Vandenberg ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list wikimediaindi...@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] English Wikipedia blackout
Dont need to - its in the press. See: http://ibnlive.in.com/news/how-to-access-wikipedia-on-internet-blackout-day/221956-11.html The New York Times also put out an article which mentioned hitting the ESC key lets you access the article. Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:52:35 +1100 From: stephen.b...@gmail.com To: wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] English Wikipedia blackout On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Javier Bassi javierba...@gmail.com wrote: A blackout with JavaScript? -_- Yes. And don't tell anyone they can avoid the blackout by hitting ESC pressing 'stop' in their browser before onLoad() triggers. -- Stephen Bain stephen.b...@gmail.com ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
