Re: [WikiEN-l] How to start a viable competitor to Wikipedia? Step 1 allow people to edit
Although, to be fair, the Wikipedia article on Kangaroos does fail to note the Aboriginal beliefs on where kangaroos come from, as well as the idea that they floated there from Mount Ararat on a log (and also fails to mention why the whole idea of arriving on logs is bloody stupid). On 11/04/2011, Ancient Apparition fridaesd...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, good point MuZemike, that's what I meant. The world would benefit more if the kind folks at Conservapedia tore down the site. Andrew Schlafly is full of bull... Colbert's interview with him is... interesting, tch, yeah Wikipedia is biased Dream on Schlafly! -- -Ancient Apparition http://enwp.org/User:Ancient_Apparition** *English Wikipedia Abuse Response and Account Creations team member* ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l -- -Ian Woollard ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] How to start a viable competitor to Wikipedia? Step 1 allow people to edit
I think that the 404 might be the blocks Sarah was talking about. -James. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] How to start a viable competitor to Wikipedia? Step 1 allow people to edit
On 9 April 2011 13:00, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 April 2011 12:53, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: Interestingly only Liberapedia and one of the conservative sites, http://www.astorehouseofknowledge.info/Main_Page are actually open for editing. Conservapedia http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page currently comes up as a 404 and http://conservapedia.wikkii.com/wiki/Main_Page allows you to create an account, but not to edit, not even to edit your own talkpage 404 or 403? Conservapedia user TK (TK-CP on Wikipedia) had a programme of doing huge rangeblocks on entire countries, keeping them from even *viewing* the site. He passed away in December and since then it's been unlocked slightly, but I believe most or all of the UK is still under a rangeblock ... I get this error: Forbidden You don't have permission to access / on this server. Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request. That looks like a 403, although it doesn't contain the number. The mention of 404 is a reference to the error page not being found (so using the server's default error page instead). Blocking whole countries from viewing your website seems very counter-productive to me... ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] How to start a viable competitor to Wikipedia? Step 1 allow people to edit
But Europeans might contaminate Conservapedia with *gasp* things that don't test your faith! That site's a mess. Better that the world /doesn't/ see it, really. They might start thinking conservative Christians (like myself) are all that ignorant. And according to the article on dinosaurs, I'm an atheistic liberal junk scientist because I believe in evolution. Last I checked, I'm a devout Catholic who values modern science as a supplement to my faith. And interestingly, theories that are commonly turned down by theists were actually developed by devout theists (heliocentrism, big bang, evolution). God bless, Bob On 4/10/2011 4:46 PM, Ian Woollard wrote: On 10/04/2011, Thomas Daltonthomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: I get this error: Forbidden You don't have permission to access / on this server. Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request. Blocking whole countries from viewing your website seems very counter-productive to me... Yes, it's such a shame that us heathens in Europe are denied the great knowledge of how the kangaroos managed to cling to logs after the great flood, as with all of the other marsupials, individually, so that they ended up only in Australia, and also how they managed to develop sufficient genetic diversity in such a short time to be a viable population. Instead, we have to put up with the drivel in the Wikipedia, based on *mere* observation, genetic analysis, fossils, biology, geology, physics, chemistry and mathematics. Something MUST be done to unblock this goldmine! I *would* suggest that the WMF mirror the Conservapedia, but, alas, after checking the Conservapedia license to use the work, unlike the more restrictive license the Wikipedia uses, it appears to be revokable at will(!) ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] How to start a viable competitor to Wikipedia? Step 1 allow people to edit
Conservapedia seeks to rewrite history, it makes Convservative Christians look like uninformed idiots, most Christians ALREADY KNOW that man did land on the moon, the earth isn't flat, dinosaurs did exist, the earth CAN'T possibly be 6000 years old and that the earth revolves around the sun. I wonder what would have happened if scientists from the Middle Ages onwards were allowed to develop their theories, we MIGHT have solved most of the world's problems, or ended it early. Either way, it was the church's failure to accept change that held back the development of superior Western culture, the early Europeans were largely responsible for delaying the advancement of technology. The early Europeans did the will of God, was doing the will of God forcibly delaying technological advances and forcing your religious beliefs on another person? I'm fairly certain the New Testament is different to the Old Testament in that it doesn't encourage violence as the means for conversion... The assimilate or die behaviour was dismissed in the Old Testament. Instead Jesus preached love if I'm correct. Sure the NT says atheists and heathens will rot in eternal damnation, but it doesn't hold the assimilate or die belief.'' ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] How to start a viable competitor to Wikipedia? Step 1 allow people to edit
Not to be supporting Conservapedia (more like playing Devil's Advocate), but isn't rewriting history different from reinterpreting history? It's like interpreting The Bible; that is, there are different interpretations of the entire book that span the entire one-dimensional political spectrum. -MuZemike On 4/10/2011 9:21 PM, Ancient Apparition wrote: Conservapedia seeks to rewrite history, it makes Convservative Christians look like uninformed idiots, most Christians ALREADY KNOW that man did land on the moon, the earth isn't flat, dinosaurs did exist, the earth CAN'T possibly be 6000 years old and that the earth revolves around the sun. I wonder what would have happened if scientists from the Middle Ages onwards were allowed to develop their theories, we MIGHT have solved most of the world's problems, or ended it early. Either way, it was the church's failure to accept change that held back the development of superior Western culture, the early Europeans were largely responsible for delaying the advancement of technology. The early Europeans did the will of God, was doing the will of God forcibly delaying technological advances and forcing your religious beliefs on another person? I'm fairly certain the New Testament is different to the Old Testament in that it doesn't encourage violence as the means for conversion... The assimilate or die behaviour was dismissed in the Old Testament. Instead Jesus preached love if I'm correct. Sure the NT says atheists and heathens will rot in eternal damnation, but it doesn't hold the assimilate or die belief.'' ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] How to start a viable competitor to Wikipedia? Step 1 allow people to edit
Sorry, good point MuZemike, that's what I meant. The world would benefit more if the kind folks at Conservapedia tore down the site. Andrew Schlafly is full of bull... Colbert's interview with him is... interesting, tch, yeah Wikipedia is biased Dream on Schlafly! -- -Ancient Apparition http://enwp.org/User:Ancient_Apparition** *English Wikipedia Abuse Response and Account Creations team member* ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] How to start a viable competitor to Wikipedia? Step 1 allow people to edit
There is a difference between hosting a site and running a site. Jimmy's company wikia hosts a number of sites including Liberapedia - http://liberapedia.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page None of the various conservative sites seem to use wikia, unless that is Wikia allows sites to use their own domain name? Wikkii is definitely a rival to Wikia. They all seem to use wiki technology. I wonder if they are deliberately avoiding the indirect connection to Wikipedia by doing business with our founder? Interestingly only Liberapedia and one of the conservative sites, http://www.astorehouseofknowledge.info/Main_Page are actually open for editing. Conservapedia http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page currently comes up as a 404 and http://conservapedia.wikkii.com/wiki/Main_Page allows you to create an account, but not to edit, not even to edit your own talkpage Has anyone done a study of these various sites to see if any have had a measure of success without allowing IP editing? As EN Wiki looks like rising the drawbridge to the extent of only allowing autoconfimred accounts to create new articles, it would be interesting to know if any successful sites are that restrictive. WereSpielChequers On 9 April 2011 00:08, Sarah slimvir...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 15:57, Bob the Wikipedian bobthewikiped...@gmail.com wrote: Already been done, Conservapedia. The most disgusting mockery of conservatives I've ever seen. Then again, isn't this one of the sites Jimbo runs? Definitely not. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] How to start a viable competitor to Wikipedia? Step 1 allow people to edit
On 9 April 2011 12:53, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: Interestingly only Liberapedia and one of the conservative sites, http://www.astorehouseofknowledge.info/Main_Page are actually open for editing. Conservapedia http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page currently comes up as a 404 and http://conservapedia.wikkii.com/wiki/Main_Page allows you to create an account, but not to edit, not even to edit your own talkpage 404 or 403? Conservapedia user TK (TK-CP on Wikipedia) had a programme of doing huge rangeblocks on entire countries, keeping them from even *viewing* the site. He passed away in December and since then it's been unlocked slightly, but I believe most or all of the UK is still under a rangeblock ... (Wiki failure mode: being so paranoid you block perceived enemies from *looking* at your site.) - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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Sad indeed. I am not entirely convinced Conservapedia is even maintained by conservatives. Most of the stuff I've seen on there looks as though it was designed to poke fun at conservatives, rather than to represent us accurately. I've not heard of Liberapedia; I might check it out in a bit to see how awful it is. Bob On 4/9/2011 7:00 AM, David Gerard wrote: On 9 April 2011 12:53, WereSpielChequerswerespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: Interestingly only Liberapedia and one of the conservative sites, http://www.astorehouseofknowledge.info/Main_Page are actually open for editing. Conservapedia http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page currently comes up as a 404 and http://conservapedia.wikkii.com/wiki/Main_Page allows you to create an account, but not to edit, not even to edit your own talkpage 404 or 403? Conservapedia user TK (TK-CP on Wikipedia) had a programme of doing huge rangeblocks on entire countries, keeping them from even *viewing* the site. He passed away in December and since then it's been unlocked slightly, but I believe most or all of the UK is still under a rangeblock ... (Wiki failure mode: being so paranoid you block perceived enemies from *looking* at your site.) - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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On 9 April 2011 18:23, Bob the Wikipedian bobthewikiped...@gmail.com wrote: Sad indeed. I am not entirely convinced Conservapedia is even maintained by conservatives. Most of the stuff I've seen on there looks as though it was designed to poke fun at conservatives, rather than to represent us accurately. It and its founder, Andrew Schlafly, appear to be entirely sincere. However, they are far-outlying nutters - even other Fundamentalist Christian conservatives (e.g. the founder's rather more famous mother Phyllis) don't want anything to do with them. - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] How to start a viable competitor to Wikipedia? Step 1 allow people to edit
Sad indeed. I am not entirely convinced Conservapedia is even maintained by conservatives. Most of the stuff I've seen on there looks as though it was designed to poke fun at conservatives, rather than to represent us accurately. And Glen Beck is a Stalinist intent on discrediting resistance to totalitarian communism? If they are that clever we are doomed. Fred ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
