Re: [WikiEN-l] Is this a trademark violation?
I have no idea, I don't have any dirt because I got quite bored quite quickly. I just answered questions on their text message service, and I'm not sure if that has anything to do with their other pages. Sorry I can't be of more help! Sent from my HTC One™ S on T-Mobile. America’s First Nationwide 4G Network. - Reply message - From: "Daniel R. Tobias" To: Subject: [WikiEN-l] Is this a trademark violation? Date: Sun, Feb 10, 2013 7:41 AM On 10 Feb 2013 at 12:00, Keilana wrote: > They also have some American staff, I used to work for them. How many people do those guys have working for them? We've run into two on this list already. Do you guys have any dirt you can dish on them? By the way, in the digest version of the list your "From" line comes out as "=?utf-8?B?a2VpbGFuYXdpa2lAZ21haWwuY29t?=". Perhaps the techies in charge of programming the list digesting ought to get the software to decode UTF-8-encoded header lines before outputing them into the body of the digest, since that form of encoding won't get decoded by mail reader programs in that position. And why is the digest body encoded as "base64" (usually used for binary files) instead of the more readable-in-raw-source quoted-printable? -- == Dan == Dan's Mail Format Site: http://mailformat.dan.info/ Dan's Web Tips: http://webtips.dan.info/ Dan's Domain Site: http://domains.dan.info/ ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Is this a trademark violation?
On 10 Feb 2013 at 12:00, Keilana wrote: > They also have some American staff, I used to work for them. How many people do those guys have working for them? We've run into two on this list already. Do you guys have any dirt you can dish on them? By the way, in the digest version of the list your "From" line comes out as "=?utf-8?B?a2VpbGFuYXdpa2lAZ21haWwuY29t?=". Perhaps the techies in charge of programming the list digesting ought to get the software to decode UTF-8-encoded header lines before outputing them into the body of the digest, since that form of encoding won't get decoded by mail reader programs in that position. And why is the digest body encoded as "base64" (usually used for binary files) instead of the more readable-in-raw-source quoted-printable? -- == Dan == Dan's Mail Format Site: http://mailformat.dan.info/ Dan's Web Tips: http://webtips.dan.info/ Dan's Domain Site: http://domains.dan.info/ ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Is this a trademark violation?
They also have some American staff, I used to work for them. Keilana Sent from my HTC One™ S on T-Mobile. America’s First Nationwide 4G Network. - Reply message - From: "Richard Symonds" To: "English Wikipedia" Subject: [WikiEN-l] Is this a trademark violation? Date: Fri, Feb 8, 2013 7:52 AM I used to work for cha cha... Or at least, I trained their staff at my old job. They're a text message question answering service based in the us but using Philippine staff. On Feb 8, 2013 1:48 PM, "Daniel R. Tobias" wrote: > I just ran into this Twitter account: > > https://twitter.com/Wikipedia411 > > It has "Wikipedia" as part of its username/URL, and uses > "Wikipedia.org" as its account name (displayed at the top of its > tweets). However, the description on its account page says "Facts > brought to you daily. Not affiliated with Wikipedia, aggregate > content generator." > > Where copyright is concerned, it would probably be in violation of > the license of Wikipedia if it used more than fair-use amounts of > Wikipedia text, since there's reference to credits or license, but if > they just paraphrase facts derived from Wikipedia (as they seem to be > doing, and just about the only way to get anything from Wikipedia > into 140 characters anyway) they're probably in the clear there since > facts are not copyrightable (only the expression of them). > > However, it is trademark law they are most clearly afoul of; despite > their disclaimer, they're using an account name that seems to imply > that they represent Wikipedia (you have to pull up their profile page > to find out they're not official, so lots of people who see retweeted > tweets from them will think they're coming from Wikipedia), and they > also use Wikipedia's logo as their icon. > > While most of their tweets have facts that presumably came from > Wikipedia, the stream is peppered with tweets with "teaser" text and > a link, which when followed doesn't go to Wikipedia but to some site > called ChaCha (the link destination, as usual on Twitter, is > obfuscated by the use of link-shorteners). That site has the typical > annoying style of many modern websites of presenting its content in > "slideshow" style with bite-size chunks of content that are "1 of 10" > and you have to keep following "Next" links to get to the rest of the > feature, and if you don't use AdBlock Plus they're all surrounded by > annoying ads, some of which blast sound at you, and try to spawn > popups and the like. > > -- > == Dan == > Dan's Mail Format Site: http://mailformat.dan.info/ > Dan's Web Tips: http://webtips.dan.info/ > Dan's Domain Site: http://domains.dan.info/ > > > > ___ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Is this a trademark violation?
> On Fri, 8 Feb 2013 06:55:33 -0700 (MST), Fred Bauder wrote: > >> Clearly, it is. > > So is anybody going to do anything about it? Should Wikimedia Legal > be notified? I cc'd them earlier, but here is another. Fred ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Is this a trademark violation?
On 8 February 2013 13:47, Daniel R. Tobias wrote: > I just ran into this Twitter account: > https://twitter.com/Wikipedia411 > However, it is trademark law they are most clearly afoul of; despite I understand WMF is on the case :-) - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Is this a trademark violation?
On Fri, 8 Feb 2013 13:52:06 +, Richard Symonds wrote: > I used to work for cha cha... Or at least, I trained their staff at my old > job. They're a text message question answering service based in the us but > using Philippine staff. The site, and the cluster of Twitter feeds that seems to be associated with it, form a "walled garden" that seems to only link within itself (other than paid ad links outward). The various Twitter feeds constantly retweet one another, and are sprinkled with posts with tantalizing teaser text and a link that tuns out to go to "Cha Cha" (and to a page there that is invariably disappointing compared to what was teased in the tweet, and which leads the user down a rabbit hole of following "Next" links through multiple pages of slideshow-like presentation in the vain hope of finding something less lame). They draw people in with sometimes-clever one-liner quips in tweets, but once you've followed any of their stuff you get deluged with expoitative crap. -- == Dan == Dan's Mail Format Site: http://mailformat.dan.info/ Dan's Web Tips: http://webtips.dan.info/ Dan's Domain Site: http://domains.dan.info/ ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Is this a trademark violation?
On Fri, 8 Feb 2013 06:55:33 -0700 (MST), Fred Bauder wrote: > Clearly, it is. So is anybody going to do anything about it? Should Wikimedia Legal be notified? -- == Dan == Dan's Mail Format Site: http://mailformat.dan.info/ Dan's Web Tips: http://webtips.dan.info/ Dan's Domain Site: http://domains.dan.info/ ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Is this a trademark violation?
I used to work for cha cha... Or at least, I trained their staff at my old job. They're a text message question answering service based in the us but using Philippine staff. On Feb 8, 2013 1:48 PM, "Daniel R. Tobias" wrote: > I just ran into this Twitter account: > > https://twitter.com/Wikipedia411 > > It has "Wikipedia" as part of its username/URL, and uses > "Wikipedia.org" as its account name (displayed at the top of its > tweets). However, the description on its account page says "Facts > brought to you daily. Not affiliated with Wikipedia, aggregate > content generator." > > Where copyright is concerned, it would probably be in violation of > the license of Wikipedia if it used more than fair-use amounts of > Wikipedia text, since there's reference to credits or license, but if > they just paraphrase facts derived from Wikipedia (as they seem to be > doing, and just about the only way to get anything from Wikipedia > into 140 characters anyway) they're probably in the clear there since > facts are not copyrightable (only the expression of them). > > However, it is trademark law they are most clearly afoul of; despite > their disclaimer, they're using an account name that seems to imply > that they represent Wikipedia (you have to pull up their profile page > to find out they're not official, so lots of people who see retweeted > tweets from them will think they're coming from Wikipedia), and they > also use Wikipedia's logo as their icon. > > While most of their tweets have facts that presumably came from > Wikipedia, the stream is peppered with tweets with "teaser" text and > a link, which when followed doesn't go to Wikipedia but to some site > called ChaCha (the link destination, as usual on Twitter, is > obfuscated by the use of link-shorteners). That site has the typical > annoying style of many modern websites of presenting its content in > "slideshow" style with bite-size chunks of content that are "1 of 10" > and you have to keep following "Next" links to get to the rest of the > feature, and if you don't use AdBlock Plus they're all surrounded by > annoying ads, some of which blast sound at you, and try to spawn > popups and the like. > > -- > == Dan == > Dan's Mail Format Site: http://mailformat.dan.info/ > Dan's Web Tips: http://webtips.dan.info/ > Dan's Domain Site: http://domains.dan.info/ > > > > ___ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Is this a trademark violation?
Also, every tweet is [citation needed]. On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Fred Bauder wrote: > Clearly, it is. > > Fred > > > I just ran into this Twitter account: > > > > https://twitter.com/Wikipedia411 > > > ___ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Is this a trademark violation?
Clearly, it is. Fred > I just ran into this Twitter account: > > https://twitter.com/Wikipedia411 ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
[WikiEN-l] Is this a trademark violation?
I just ran into this Twitter account: https://twitter.com/Wikipedia411 It has "Wikipedia" as part of its username/URL, and uses "Wikipedia.org" as its account name (displayed at the top of its tweets). However, the description on its account page says "Facts brought to you daily. Not affiliated with Wikipedia, aggregate content generator." Where copyright is concerned, it would probably be in violation of the license of Wikipedia if it used more than fair-use amounts of Wikipedia text, since there's reference to credits or license, but if they just paraphrase facts derived from Wikipedia (as they seem to be doing, and just about the only way to get anything from Wikipedia into 140 characters anyway) they're probably in the clear there since facts are not copyrightable (only the expression of them). However, it is trademark law they are most clearly afoul of; despite their disclaimer, they're using an account name that seems to imply that they represent Wikipedia (you have to pull up their profile page to find out they're not official, so lots of people who see retweeted tweets from them will think they're coming from Wikipedia), and they also use Wikipedia's logo as their icon. While most of their tweets have facts that presumably came from Wikipedia, the stream is peppered with tweets with "teaser" text and a link, which when followed doesn't go to Wikipedia but to some site called ChaCha (the link destination, as usual on Twitter, is obfuscated by the use of link-shorteners). That site has the typical annoying style of many modern websites of presenting its content in "slideshow" style with bite-size chunks of content that are "1 of 10" and you have to keep following "Next" links to get to the rest of the feature, and if you don't use AdBlock Plus they're all surrounded by annoying ads, some of which blast sound at you, and try to spawn popups and the like. -- == Dan == Dan's Mail Format Site: http://mailformat.dan.info/ Dan's Web Tips: http://webtips.dan.info/ Dan's Domain Site: http://domains.dan.info/ ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
