Re: [WikiEN-l] Nofollow and sister projects
Seth Finkelstein wrote: Andrew Gray (This has caused much elaborate conspiracy theory in the past revolving around nofollow and favoured Wikia links, etc) Well, in defense of critics, I think it's important to acknowledge that there are many aspects of the situation which certainly *look* suspicious. And the tendency of *some* (not all, but *some*) Wikipedia people to react by making name-calling personal attacks, along with longstanding antagonism against SEO's, doesn't help. It pretty much makes a mockery of the idea of civility. OK. we still believe pretty much in assuming good faith, which results in a deprecation of systematic suspicion of the motives of people who are trying to develop the site. I've investigated the nofollow issue, and come to the conclusion that there's less there than meets the eye. Fine. But I certainly do understand where the harsh criticism of Wikipedia comes from. For example, speaking as a journalist, I've never been able to get a straight answer as to who was ultimately responsible for changing the nofollow policy. There are conflicting public accounts from the people involved. Moreover, the most obvious interpretation of that discrepancy is very negative. Now, I'm not saying I believe that very negative interpretation; for several reasons I think it's incorrect. HOWEVER, I wouldn't say someone who did take a cynical view was being irrational. Fine. So assume good faith is not the de facto standard on the Internet. Assume convoluted conspiracy is closer to being the de facto standard on some forums, to put it bluntly. The reason AGF is a good idea for WP is that we have work to do; we can usefully leave it to others, less concerned with free content, to type endlessly about things about which they are at best half-informed. The nofollow policy was standard on wikipedias other than the English for a long time without anyone kicking up a fuss. Eventually enWP was getting so much spam that the spam patrol started lobbying for enWP to get in line with the rest. Jimmy Wales certainly promoted the change, but in the end we have to let the devs handle the issue when it is this technical (and they are not accountable to me, or you). (My recollection, this is.) This is also a good idea because we have work to do. Charles ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Nofollow and sister projects
2009/6/26 Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com: Fine. So assume good faith is not the de facto standard on the Internet. Assume convoluted conspiracy is closer to being the de facto standard on some forums, to put it bluntly. The reason AGF is a good idea for WP is that we have work to do; we can usefully leave it to others, less concerned with free content, to type endlessly about things about which they are at best half-informed. The nofollow policy was standard on wikipedias other than the English for a long time without anyone kicking up a fuss. Eventually enWP was getting so much spam that the spam patrol started lobbying for enWP to get in line with the rest. Jimmy Wales certainly promoted the change, but in the end we have to let the devs handle the issue when it is this technical (and they are not accountable to me, or you). (My recollection, this is.) This is also a good idea because we have work to do. Indeed. Those concerned with the nofollow issue are nothing to do with Wikipedia or our readers; they are largely a third party (SEOs) wanting to get in good with a fourth party (Google), or they're conspiracy-theorising nutters (Wikipedia Review). In either case, paying attention does very little to write an encyclopedia. - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Nofollow and sister projects
2009/6/24 Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com: I was trying to follow the nofollow discussion (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nofollow#Current_use_on_Wikimedia_projects). I see it hinges on external links, and my question about it would be concerning when an interwiki link to a sister project is deemed external. For context, I use many links to Wikisource pages I have created as references, and was wondering whether the [[:s: ***]] construction is read as an external link. My understanding is that anything which goes to a URL - a one-bracket link - gets treated as an external link and is nofollowed, regardless of where it goes; anything created as a wikimarkup link, *including* interwiki links, is treated as internal and escapes. (This has caused much elaborate conspiracy theory in the past revolving around nofollow and favoured Wikia links, etc) -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Nofollow and sister projects
2009/6/24 Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk: My understanding is that anything which goes to a URL - a one-bracket link - gets treated as an external link and is nofollowed, regardless of where it goes; anything created as a wikimarkup link, *including* interwiki links, is treated as internal and escapes. This is correct. (This has caused much elaborate conspiracy theory in the past revolving around nofollow and favoured Wikia links, etc) As is this. - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Nofollow and sister projects
Are links created by templates nofollowed or followed?
That is, someone creates a template like {{Brittanica|Edward VI}}
or whatever.
What's the follow treatment ?
Will
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2009/6/24 Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk:
My understanding is that anything which goes to a URL - a one-bracket
link - gets treated as an external link and is nofollowed, regardless
of where it goes; anything created as a wikimarkup link, *including*
interwiki links, is treated as internal and escapes.
This is correct.
(This has caused much elaborate conspiracy theory in the past
revolving around nofollow and favoured Wikia links, etc)
As is this.
- d.
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Re: [WikiEN-l] Nofollow and sister projects
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 14:59, wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
Are links created by templates nofollowed or followed?
That is, someone creates a template like {{Brittanica|Edward VI}}
or whatever.
What's the follow treatment ?
The same as anything else: if the template creates a one-bracket link,
it gets nofollow; if it creates a two-bracket link, it doesn't.
--
Mark
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Re: [WikiEN-l] Nofollow and sister projects
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Mark Wagner carni...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 14:59, wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
Are links created by templates nofollowed or followed?
That is, someone creates a template like {{Brittanica|Edward VI}}
or whatever.
What's the follow treatment ?
The same as anything else: if the template creates a one-bracket link,
it gets nofollow; if it creates a two-bracket link, it doesn't.
Yep. When trying to wrap my head around some of the more obscure template
formatting issues, I've often found it helps to remember that, come parsing
time, all templates are simply expanded into plain old wikitext on the page
to be displayed.
-Luna
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