Re: [WikiEN-l] Social ideas (was Hi there)
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 4:56 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: > Boy the Wikipedia GUI could be a lot better, but small tweaks aren't > going to do much. I assume the various studies about its usability are > intended to drive some new GUI effort. > It bears mentioning that monobook and its various tweaks took maybe a week to deal with, and it took maybe another three days for people to agree to make the upgrade and then implement it. Now, apparently we are conducting "usability studies" that may or may not be related to actually getting some CSS written. -Stevertigo ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Social ideas (was Hi there)
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 12:56 AM, Isabell Long wrote: > I don't use it much either and I didn't in the beginning. It's not > very visible to me using the Monobook skin and I only glance at it > once or twice when I'm browsing, nothing more than that really unless > I want to seek something out and find other things available. I use it relatively frequently these days, like once a week maybe. When I'm bored, and nothing in my contribs list or stubs that I've created needs any attention, I'll check out the list of tasks. I find merging strangely satisfying, and usefully time consuming (eg 10-15 mins per merge). Boy the Wikipedia GUI could be a lot better, but small tweaks aren't going to do much. I assume the various studies about its usability are intended to drive some new GUI effort. Steve ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Social ideas (was Hi there)
> I can > see that much of the trouble people get into is due to a lack of basic > orientation. I see that too on new page patrol. I'll, through twinkle, put a "you're article might be speedily deleted" temp on somebody's talk page, and it'll be the first thing that they get on their talk page. Emily On Jun 25, 2009, at 12:52 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: >> 2009/6/25 Carcharoth : >>> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Steve Bennett >>> >>> wrote: On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Fred Bauder>>> > wrote: > The Community Portal is semi-protected, so its not that vulnerable to > vandalism. On the skin I'm using it is in the sidebar on every > page under > "Interaction", so it's pretty prominently placed. No way. I was over 5000 edits before I even noticed it for the first time. And pfft, "community portal" - what an inviting link to click on! >>> >>> Maybe "free drinks"? :-) >>> >>> To be fair, I discovered the community portal early on. However, I >>> didn't use it much then, and still don't use it much now. It does >>> point the way to some interesting places, though. >> >> I don't use it much either and I didn't in the beginning. It's not >> very visible to me using the Monobook skin and I only glance at it >> once or twice when I'm browsing, nothing more than that really unless >> I want to seek something out and find other things available. >> >> >> -- >> Regards, >> Isabell Long > > Well, we could, as is done in online games, create a little school for > people to go through and learn the ropes before we let them into the > "game" itself. Not sure how we would set that up, certainly very > paternalistic, but constantly processing unblock requests, as I do, > I can > see that much of the trouble people get into is due to a lack of basic > orientation. > > Fred Bauder > > > > ___ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Social ideas (was Hi there)
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: > Well, we could, as is done in online games, create a little school for > people to go through and learn the ropes before we let them into the > "game" itself. Not sure how we would set that up, certainly very > paternalistic, but constantly processing unblock requests, as I do, I can > see that much of the trouble people get into is due to a lack of basic > orientation. I always thought this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Introduction ...which leads people into this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tutorial ...was and is an excellent introduction. However, many (most?) people don't read the manual. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Social ideas (was Hi there)
> 2009/6/25 Carcharoth : >> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Steve Bennett >> wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Fred Bauder >>> wrote: >>> > The Community Portal is semi-protected, so its not that vulnerable >>> to >>> > vandalism. On the skin I'm using it is in the sidebar on every page >>> under >>> > "Interaction", so it's pretty prominently placed. >>> >>> No way. I was over 5000 edits before I even noticed it for the first >>> time. And pfft, "community portal" - what an inviting link to click >>> on! >> >> Maybe "free drinks"? :-) >> >> To be fair, I discovered the community portal early on. However, I >> didn't use it much then, and still don't use it much now. It does >> point the way to some interesting places, though. > > I don't use it much either and I didn't in the beginning. It's not > very visible to me using the Monobook skin and I only glance at it > once or twice when I'm browsing, nothing more than that really unless > I want to seek something out and find other things available. > > > -- > Regards, > Isabell Long Well, we could, as is done in online games, create a little school for people to go through and learn the ropes before we let them into the "game" itself. Not sure how we would set that up, certainly very paternalistic, but constantly processing unblock requests, as I do, I can see that much of the trouble people get into is due to a lack of basic orientation. Fred Bauder ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Social ideas (was Hi there)
2009/6/25 Carcharoth : > On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: >> >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: >> > The Community Portal is semi-protected, so its not that vulnerable to >> > vandalism. On the skin I'm using it is in the sidebar on every page under >> > "Interaction", so it's pretty prominently placed. >> >> No way. I was over 5000 edits before I even noticed it for the first >> time. And pfft, "community portal" - what an inviting link to click >> on! > > Maybe "free drinks"? :-) > > To be fair, I discovered the community portal early on. However, I > didn't use it much then, and still don't use it much now. It does > point the way to some interesting places, though. I don't use it much either and I didn't in the beginning. It's not very visible to me using the Monobook skin and I only glance at it once or twice when I'm browsing, nothing more than that really unless I want to seek something out and find other things available. -- Regards, Isabell Long. [[User:Isabell121]] on all public Wikimedia projects. OpenPGP Key ID: C395CE07 ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Social ideas (was Hi there)
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: > > The Community Portal is semi-protected, so its not that vulnerable to > > vandalism. On the skin I'm using it is in the sidebar on every page under > > "Interaction", so it's pretty prominently placed. > > No way. I was over 5000 edits before I even noticed it for the first > time. And pfft, "community portal" - what an inviting link to click > on! Maybe "free drinks"? :-) To be fair, I discovered the community portal early on. However, I didn't use it much then, and still don't use it much now. It does point the way to some interesting places, though. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Social ideas (was Hi there)
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: > The Community Portal is semi-protected, so its not that vulnerable to > vandalism. On the skin I'm using it is in the sidebar on every page under > "Interaction", so it's pretty prominently placed. No way. I was over 5000 edits before I even noticed it for the first time. And pfft, "community portal" - what an inviting link to click on! Steve ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Social ideas (was Hi there)
>> The Community Portal is semi-protected, so its not that vulnerable to >> vandalism. > Good to know! >> On the skin I'm using it is in the sidebar on every page under >> "Interaction", so it's pretty prominently placed. > I use monobook--I was thinking about that. I've tried out other skins, > that should've occured to me. A lot of newer users don't even know > other skins exist. > > Emily We may have a skin or two that could be improved in this regard. If you find a problem you will need to communicate with the developers. They have a mailing list wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l Fred > On Jun 23, 2009, at 9:31 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: > >>> An idea just struck me. >>> >>> Is there any way to better advertise the community portal, so those >>> who are new to wikipedia can more easily find it? It'll be more >>> easily >>> vandalized this way, but I think any such thing will be swiftly >>> reverted. >>> >>> Emily >> >> The Community Portal is semi-protected, so its not that vulnerable to >> vandalism. On the skin I'm using it is in the sidebar on every page >> under >> "Interaction", so it's pretty prominently placed. >> >> Lots of interesting things to do listed there, many that look like a >> lot >> of fun. >> >> Fred >> >> >> ___ >> WikiEN-l mailing list >> WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > > ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Social ideas (was Hi there)
> It might be an idea to survey new(er) users to find out this sort of > thing. Maybe create some sort of software that tells us how many links are clicked? Emily On Jun 24, 2009, at 8:15 AM, Carcharoth wrote: > On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Emily Monroe > wrote: >>> A link to the community portal could be included in more of >>> Wikipedia's new user welcome messages. >> >> That's a good idea if anybody actually reads the welcome message. I'm >> not saying this sarcastically--I didn't read mine. > > It might be an idea to survey new(er) users to find out this sort of > thing. > > Carcharoth > > ___ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Social ideas (was Hi there)
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Emily Monroe wrote: > > A link to the community portal could be included in more of > > Wikipedia's new user welcome messages. > > That's a good idea if anybody actually reads the welcome message. I'm > not saying this sarcastically--I didn't read mine. It might be an idea to survey new(er) users to find out this sort of thing. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Social ideas (was Hi there)
> A link to the community portal could be included in more of > Wikipedia's new user welcome messages. That's a good idea if anybody actually reads the welcome message. I'm not saying this sarcastically--I didn't read mine. Emily >> >> Is there any way to better advertise the community portal, so those >> who are >> new to wikipedia can more easily find it? It'll be more easily >> vandalized >> this way, but I think any such thing will be swiftly reverted. > > > A link to the community portal could be included in more of > Wikipedia's new user welcome messages. > > AGK > ___ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Social ideas (was Hi there)
> The Community Portal is semi-protected, so its not that vulnerable to > vandalism. Good to know! > On the skin I'm using it is in the sidebar on every page under > "Interaction", so it's pretty prominently placed. I use monobook--I was thinking about that. I've tried out other skins, that should've occured to me. A lot of newer users don't even know other skins exist. Emily On Jun 23, 2009, at 9:31 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: >> An idea just struck me. >> >> Is there any way to better advertise the community portal, so those >> who are new to wikipedia can more easily find it? It'll be more >> easily >> vandalized this way, but I think any such thing will be swiftly >> reverted. >> >> Emily > > The Community Portal is semi-protected, so its not that vulnerable to > vandalism. On the skin I'm using it is in the sidebar on every page > under > "Interaction", so it's pretty prominently placed. > > Lots of interesting things to do listed there, many that look like a > lot > of fun. > > Fred > > > ___ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Social ideas (was Hi there)
> > Is there any way to better advertise the community portal, so those who are > new to wikipedia can more easily find it? It'll be more easily vandalized > this way, but I think any such thing will be swiftly reverted. A link to the community portal could be included in more of Wikipedia's new user welcome messages. AGK ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Social ideas (was Hi there)
> An idea just struck me. > > Is there any way to better advertise the community portal, so those > who are new to wikipedia can more easily find it? It'll be more easily > vandalized this way, but I think any such thing will be swiftly > reverted. > > Emily The Community Portal is semi-protected, so its not that vulnerable to vandalism. On the skin I'm using it is in the sidebar on every page under "Interaction", so it's pretty prominently placed. Lots of interesting things to do listed there, many that look like a lot of fun. Fred ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Social ideas (was Hi there)
An idea just struck me. Is there any way to better advertise the community portal, so those who are new to wikipedia can more easily find it? It'll be more easily vandalized this way, but I think any such thing will be swiftly reverted. Emily On Jun 22, 2009, at 6:58 PM, Carcharoth wrote: > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 5:41 AM, stevertigo wrote: > > > >> I myself am wondering if anyone has seen any userboxes made into >> bumperstickers. > > I'm sure I've seen some made into T-shirts. > > Carcharoth > > ___ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Social ideas (was Hi there)
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 5:41 AM, stevertigo wrote: > I myself am wondering if anyone has seen any userboxes made into > bumperstickers. I'm sure I've seen some made into T-shirts. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Social ideas (was Hi there)
Not exactly a userbox, but I did see a bumper sticker that said
{{fact}} on it once :-)
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On Jun 18, 2009, at 11:41 PM, stevertigo wrote:
> I myself am wondering if anyone has seen any userboxes made into
> bumperstickers.
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[WikiEN-l] Social ideas (was Hi there)
> Stevertigo wrote: > > But do I understand correctly, Emily, that > > by "social aspects" you mean more what we might call "community," or > > "collective," or perhaps "synergetic" aspects? > Emily Monroe wrote: > Yes, that's what I mean! > I'll be interested to see where this discussion goes. > (Because we've gotten our hellos out of the way, I've retitled the thread) It generally "goes" nowhere here unless you seed it with a question or idea. If your stated interest can be translated into a question, it might go something like: What socially-oriented ideas might make Wikipedia better? Though you may not yet understand the intricacies, it still would not be out of place for you to suggest some ideas yourself. Especially when you want to start a new conversation. In threads like this, we can deal with a few different things at once, and who knows what might come up? I myself am wondering if anyone has seen any userboxes made into bumperstickers. -Steven ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
