Re: [WikiEN-l] Spoiler-driven plots on movies articles
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Are articles do not exist to be commercials. While YOU may use the article as a movie review to see if you want to watch the movie, other readers may use them for many other purposes. Would you read any of our other articles just to see if you want to read their references? [[en:user:xaosflux]] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 8.0.2 iQA/AwUBSY7ssNRQDZCQNK6YEQId/gCeMOVthYypHmOq6RP6DwUbrBHmVJUAoPT+ 1WSsjomBmZ5js2hrfbHOpkmY =iHky -END PGP SIGNATURE- - Original Message - From: Alvaro García alva...@gmail.com To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Spoiler-driven plots on movies articles I'm not saying I'd rather have a one-line plot, I'm just saying that spoilers aren't that necessary. You go to the article to see if you go watch the movie, not to read it because you didn't get the chance to watch it. -- Alvaro On 07-02-2009, at 12:21, K. Peachey p858sn...@yahoo.com.au wrote: On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 12:25 AM, Alvaro García alva...@gmail.com w rote: Hey, I have a question: Every time I go to a movie page to know how it is, I read the Plot section. However, I have realised that 95% of them write about key twists or scenes and they even tell the ending. I have thought of editing some of them, but I thought I'd rather ask here first. Are movie articles supposed to tell you ALL the movie? Thank you, -- Alvaro Yes, otherwise it would be like Harry Potter is a wizard you might like to look at [[en:wp:spoiler]] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Spoiler ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Spoiler-driven plots on movies articles
On Sun, 8 Feb 2009, xaosflux wrote: While YOU may use the article as a movie review to see if you want to watch the movie, other readers may use them for many other purposes. This statement is trivially true no matter what phrase you substitute in. *Any* purpose for using an article is one that only a minority of readers will have. If it's wrong to put something in because only a minority of readers will use or need it, then we shouldn't even have articles. Besides, the reader who wishes to use the article for other purposes just has to ignore the spoiler warning. It's not like it prevents other readers from using the article the way they want. Would you read any of our other articles just to see if you want to read their references? This is about an article which has a work as a *subject*, and only secondarily if at all as a reference. I wouldn't read our article about potatoes to decide if I want to read a particular book about potatoes, but that's because the book really is just a reference; the subject of the article is potatoes, not potato books. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Spoiler-driven plots on movies articles
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote: On Sun, 8 Feb 2009, xaosflux wrote: While YOU may use the article as a movie review to see if you want to watch the movie, other readers may use them for many other purposes. This statement is trivially true no matter what phrase you substitute in. *Any* purpose for using an article is one that only a minority of readers will have. If it's wrong to put something in because only a minority of readers will use or need it, then we shouldn't even have articles. Besides, the reader who wishes to use the article for other purposes just has to ignore the spoiler warning. It's not like it prevents other readers from using the article the way they want. Would you read any of our other articles just to see if you want to read their references? This is about an article which has a work as a *subject*, and only secondarily if at all as a reference. I wouldn't read our article about potatoes to decide if I want to read a particular book about potatoes, but that's because the book really is just a reference; the subject of the article is potatoes, not potato books. Though we do have articles on research areas and the books in them. More usually categories, though. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Shakespearean_scholarship http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakespeare%27s_Politics_(book) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Shakespeare_criticism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Books_by_topic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:History_books Some are very specific: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Books_about_the_atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Holocaust_books I couldn't rule out looking to see if a book had an article on Wikipedia before buying it, or more likely, reading about the author. But I would, admittedly, be more likely to read a review somewhere, though I *might* come to Wikipedia to find a review through the article. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
[WikiEN-l] Spoiler-driven plots on movies articles
Hey, I have a question: Every time I go to a movie page to know how it is, I read the Plot section. However, I have realised that 95% of them write about key twists or scenes and they even tell the ending. I have thought of editing some of them, but I thought I'd rather ask here first. Are movie articles supposed to tell you ALL the movie? Thank you, -- Alvaro ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Spoiler-driven plots on movies articles
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Alvaro García alva...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, I have a question: Every time I go to a movie page to know how it is, I read the Plot section. However, I have realised that 95% of them write about key twists or scenes and they even tell the ending. I have thought of editing some of them, but I thought I'd rather ask here first. Are movie articles supposed to tell you ALL the movie? Thank you, https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l Yes, otherwise the article would be incomplete. -- Alex (User:Majorly) ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Spoiler-driven plots on movies articles
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 12:25 AM, Alvaro García alva...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, I have a question: Every time I go to a movie page to know how it is, I read the Plot section. However, I have realised that 95% of them write about key twists or scenes and they even tell the ending. I have thought of editing some of them, but I thought I'd rather ask here first. Are movie articles supposed to tell you ALL the movie? Thank you, -- Alvaro Yes, otherwise it would be like Harry Potter is a wizard you might like to look at [[en:wp:spoiler]] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Spoiler ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Spoiler-driven plots on movies articles
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Alvaro García alva...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not saying I'd rather have a one-line plot, I'm just saying that spoilers aren't that necessary. You go to the article to see if you go watch the movie, not to read it because you didn't get the chance to watch it. -- Alvaro Without the spoilers the article is incomplete. If you want to read the plot without having the ending spoiled, try IMDB or something. -- Alex (User:Majorly) ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Spoiler-driven plots on movies articles
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Alvaro García alva...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not saying I'd rather have a one-line plot, I'm just saying that spoilers aren't that necessary. You go to the article to see if you go watch the movie, not to read it because you didn't get the chance to watch it. That may be true for you. I, at least, would not be so arrogant and narrow-minded as to suggest that my particular use of Wikipedia articles is *the* use to which they should be put. And I certainly wouldn't suggest that articles shouldn't contain anything but what serves my particular interest. -- gwern ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Spoiler-driven plots on movies articles
We are not a movie guide, but an encyclopedia. There are a great many reasons why people might want to read an encyclopedia article about a movie. Very high among them is to find out about the movies one hasn't seen and never will. If you want a movie guide to read up on whether you want to go to or rent a movie, there are more appropriate sources. On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Alvaro García alva...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not saying I'd rather have a one-line plot, I'm just saying that spoilers aren't that necessary. You go to the article to see if you go watch the movie, not to read it because you didn't get the chance to watch it. -- Alvaro On 07-02-2009, at 12:21, K. Peachey p858sn...@yahoo.com.au wrote: On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 12:25 AM, Alvaro García alva...@gmail.com w rote: Hey, I have a question: Every time I go to a movie page to know how it is, I read the Plot section. However, I have realised that 95% of them write about key twists or scenes and they even tell the ending. I have thought of editing some of them, but I thought I'd rather ask here first. Are movie articles supposed to tell you ALL the movie? Thank you, -- Alvaro Yes, otherwise it would be like Harry Potter is a wizard you might like to look at [[en:wp:spoiler]] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Spoiler ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l -- David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Spoiler-driven plots on movies articles
Wow man SORRY. I'm not arrogant, I'm just asking something! Man, I'd never think everyone would be against me and insult me for a simple question! -- Alvaro On 07-02-2009, at 12:38, Gwern Branwen gwe...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Alvaro García alva...@gmail.com w rote: I'm not saying I'd rather have a one-line plot, I'm just saying that spoilers aren't that necessary. You go to the article to see if you go watch the movie, not to read it because you didn't get the chance to watch it. That may be true for you. I, at least, would not be so arrogant and narrow-minded as to suggest that my particular use of Wikipedia articles is *the* use to which they should be put. And I certainly wouldn't suggest that articles shouldn't contain anything but what serves my particular interest. -- gwern ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Spoiler-driven plots on movies articles
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Alvaro García alva...@gmail.com wrote: Wow man SORRY. I'm not arrogant, I'm just asking something! Man, I'd never think everyone would be against me and insult me for a simple question! I suggest you do what I do: only read the first paragraph. ;-) When a movie is confusing though, I can look to Wikipedia when I'm like what just happened?! thanks to the complete plot. Don't worry, we don't think you're arrogant! (However, you can see their point, I'm sure... the spoilers debate was a *huge* one that they don't want to bring up again.) -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 --- Note: This e-mail address is used for mailing lists. Personal emails sent to this address will probably get lost. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Spoiler-driven plots on movies articles
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Alvaro García alva...@gmail.com wrote: Wow man SORRY. I'm not arrogant, I'm just asking something! Man, I'd never think everyone would be against me and insult me for a simple question! The argument over spoilers on Wikipedia is commonly referred to as the spoiler wars - drawn out, contentious, with a bunch of radicalized people on both sides. Since its settled, people are understandably not interested in seeing it come up again. Nathan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Spoiler-driven plots on movies articles
-- Alvaro On 07-02-2009, at 12:58, Casey Brown cbrown1023...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Alvaro García alva...@gmail.com w rote: Wow man SORRY. I'm not arrogant, I'm just asking something! Man, I'd never think everyone would be against me and insult me for a simple question! I suggest you do what I do: only read the first paragraph. ;-) When a movie is confusing though, I can look to Wikipedia when I'm like what just happened?! thanks to the complete plot. Yeah, I've done that once. Don't worry, we don't think you're arrogant! (However, you can see their point, I'm sure... the spoilers debate was a *huge* one that they don't want to bring up again.) Ok, thank you! -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 --- Note: This e-mail address is used for mailing lists. Personal emails sent to this address will probably get lost. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Spoiler-driven plots on movies articles
That's why *you* do it. It's not why *I* do it. Sometimes years after I've seen a movie, I can't quite recall how it ended, and I'd like to know that without needing to watch it again. In a message dated 2/7/2009 7:35:00 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, alva...@gmail.com writes: I'm not saying I'd rather have a one-line plot, I'm just saying that spoilers aren't that necessary. You go to the article to see if you go watch the movie, not to read it because you didn't get the chance to watch it. **Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?ncid=emlcntusmusi0003) ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Spoiler-driven plots on movies articles
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 1:09 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: That's why *you* do it. It's not why *I* do it. Sometimes years after I've seen a movie, I can't quite recall how it ended, and I'd like to know that without needing to watch it again. Oh there will always be titles you can't find anywhere except maybe on ebay during a recession... plus ones you wouldn't want to pay for even if blockbuster has 250 copies of it. —C.W. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Spoiler-driven plots on movies articles
Nathan wrote: On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Alvaro Garcia alva...@gmail.com wrote: Man, I'd never think everyone would be against me and insult me for a simple question! The argument over spoilers on Wikipedia is commonly referred to as the spoiler wars - drawn out, contentious, with a bunch of radicalized people on both sides. Since its settled, people are understandably not interested in seeing it come up again. Not interested, sure. But we probably shouldn't jump vigorously down the throats of people who come along and just ask, lest we give the impression that the radicalized people who got the quasiconsensus rammed through are afraid of having anything requestioned. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
