Re: [WikiEN-l] Support needed for Wikipedia QnA website to open

[Samuel Klein]

On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 9:22 AM, Charles Matthews
 wrote:
> On 06/02/2011 13:53, Samuel Klein wrote:
>> Tom - Great idea.
>>
>> I believe what we want to end up with  is OSQA, like what OSM has set
>> up, not a (proprietary) StackOverflow site.
>> OSQA is a great tool for collaborative knowledge-sharing.
>>
>> http://meta.osqa.net/questions/127/osqa-vs-stackoverflow-performance-and-features
> This has to be either-or?

It isn't either-or, and I started following the SO test-site.  In the
short-term, people have already started sharing questions there. In
the medium-term, I hope we end up pointing people to a free and open
Q&A site, if any.  Supporting the development of OSQA will benefit
knowledge-sharing in the world beyond this particular use of it.

SJ

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Support needed for Wikipedia QnA website to open

[Charles Matthews]

On 06/02/2011 13:53, Samuel Klein wrote:
> Tom - Great idea.
>
> I believe what we want to end up with  is OSQA, like what OSM has set
> up, not a (proprietary) StackOverflow site.
> OSQA is a great tool for collaborative knowledge-sharing.
>
> http://meta.osqa.net/questions/127/osqa-vs-stackoverflow-performance-and-features
This has to be either-or?

Charles


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Re: [WikiEN-l] Support needed for Wikipedia QnA website to open

[Samuel Klein]

Tom - Great idea.

I believe what we want to end up with  is OSQA, like what OSM has set
up, not a (proprietary) StackOverflow site.
OSQA is a great tool for collaborative knowledge-sharing.

http://meta.osqa.net/questions/127/osqa-vs-stackoverflow-performance-and-features

SJ


On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 6:42 AM, Tom Jenkins  wrote:
> Hi Steve,
>
> You could help by logging into Area51 and pressing "Follow".
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
>
> On 26-Jan-11 7:45 PM, Steve Bennett wrote:
>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:47 AM, Tom Jenkins  wrote:
>>> StackExchange, a free
>>> Question and Answer network of websites would start a website dedicated
>>> to Wikipedia and Wiki questions if the community only supports the
>>> project by voting for it. This website would have a very unique set of
>> IMHO this is a pretty good idea. OpenStreetMap did the same thing, and
>> it's worked out pretty well:
>>
>> http://help.openstreetmap.org/
>>
>> It's not the ideal forum for everyone (mailing lists are better for
>> in-depth discussions and explorations of ideas) but it serves a
>> purpose.
>>
>> Steve
>>
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Re: [WikiEN-l] Support needed for Wikipedia QnA website to open

[Tom Jenkins]

Hi Steve,

You could help by logging into Area51 and pressing "Follow".

Thanks,
Tom

On 26-Jan-11 7:45 PM, Steve Bennett wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:47 AM, Tom Jenkins  wrote:
>> StackExchange, a free
>> Question and Answer network of websites would start a website dedicated
>> to Wikipedia and Wiki questions if the community only supports the
>> project by voting for it. This website would have a very unique set of
> IMHO this is a pretty good idea. OpenStreetMap did the same thing, and
> it's worked out pretty well:
>
> http://help.openstreetmap.org/
>
> It's not the ideal forum for everyone (mailing lists are better for
> in-depth discussions and explorations of ideas) but it serves a
> purpose.
>
> Steve
>
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Re: [WikiEN-l] Support needed for Wikipedia QnA website to open

[Charles Matthews]

On 26/01/2011 14:15, Steve Bennett wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:47 AM, Tom Jenkins  wrote:
>> StackExchange, a free
>> Question and Answer network of websites would start a website dedicated
>> to Wikipedia and Wiki questions if the community only supports the
>> project by voting for it. This website would have a very unique set of
> IMHO this is a pretty good idea. OpenStreetMap did the same thing, and
> it's worked out pretty well:
>
> http://help.openstreetmap.org/
>
> It's not the ideal forum for everyone (mailing lists are better for
> in-depth discussions and explorations of ideas) but it serves a
> purpose.
>
Right, the structure is (intentionally, I believe) not designed to 
encourage threaded discussion, but to elicit replies that actually 
address the question. Which can be counted as a plus.

Charles


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Re: [WikiEN-l] Support needed for Wikipedia QnA website to open

[Steve Bennett]

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:47 AM, Tom Jenkins  wrote:
>
> StackExchange , a free
> Question and Answer network of websites would start a website dedicated
> to Wikipedia and Wiki questions if the community only supports the
> project by voting for it. This website would have a very unique set of

IMHO this is a pretty good idea. OpenStreetMap did the same thing, and
it's worked out pretty well:

http://help.openstreetmap.org/

It's not the ideal forum for everyone (mailing lists are better for
in-depth discussions and explorations of ideas) but it serves a
purpose.

Steve

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Support needed for Wikipedia QnA website to open

[Charles Matthews]

On 24/01/2011 18:47, Tom Jenkins wrote:


> StackExchange, a free
> Question and Answer network of websites would start a website dedicated
> to Wikipedia and Wiki questions if the community only supports the
> project by voting for it.
I'm familiar with the StackExchange version at http://mathoverflow.net/, 
and that has proved very successful. Points from my experience there:

(1) You really need a good and tight spec of what the site is for and 
not (MathOverflow manages that); even so, you will get people making 
off-topic posts because people never read instructions. These can be 
"closed" but not apparently "deleted". A deletionist attitude to Q&A 
seems to make the end product (mature site) much more attractive.
(2) You really also need wikignome-type people. There the technology 
seems not to work quite so smoothly.

On (1) it is inevitable that you would get a lot of trolling, 
particularly from "the usual suspects" (guys, you know who you are), who 
are vociferous in any forum where they can discuss WP. So moderation 
would not be trivial.

That said, a good forum on WP would be well worth having.

One more point. How do you propose to stop people using "Wiki" as the 
abbreviation of "Wikipedia", though, leading to massive confusion, if 
this is about all wikis as well as Wiki[wild card] sites? This is just 
the sort of thing to which (2) applies: questions need to be edited as 
they are posted to clarify.



> I'm writing here to call for the support of Wikipedians around the
> world, simply for our own benefit. If we can vote for this site and
> visit it regularly to answer questions then Wikipedia could grow so much
> faster since newcomers would have an intelligent and easy-to-use
> platform for their questions and troubles.
>
> 1. Please start on this proposal page
>.
> 2. You'll need to login (link on the top)
> 3. Then you have to click the "Follow" button (or "Commit", if available)
> 4. When the site begins you will get a link to it on the same page.
OK, less confusing than it sounds (maybe).

Charles


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[WikiEN-l] Support needed for Wikipedia QnA website to open

[Tom Jenkins]

Hi,

Wikipedia is a great system to organize a set of articles, and it has a 
large help system as well. But newcomers and mid-termers alike would 
have lots of similar questions about the system, specific guidelines, or 
techniques of writing articles.

StackExchange , a free 
Question and Answer network of websites would start a website dedicated 
to Wikipedia and Wiki questions if the community only supports the 
project by voting for it. This website would have a very unique set of 
features that cannot compare with the way Wikipedia handles questions, 
simply because it is different. In Wikipedia questions are added to 
pages, much like a forum. In StackExchange, questions are added to a 
database that is searchable where each question can be voted for by the 
community.

* Database of questions, listings by vote, or by newest/oldest
* User accounts with ranking system per user based on helpfulness
* Answers are voted for by users, and best answers show on top
* Tagging and searching for questions by tag (eg. 'syntax',
  'images', 'audio')

I'm writing here to call for the support of Wikipedians around the 
world, simply for our own benefit. If we can vote for this site and 
visit it regularly to answer questions then Wikipedia could grow so much 
faster since newcomers would have an intelligent and easy-to-use 
platform for their questions and troubles.

   1. Please start on this proposal page
  .
   2. You'll need to login (link on the top)
   3. Then you have to click the "Follow" button (or "Commit", if available)
   4. When the site begins you will get a link to it on the same page.

Thank you!

Tomjenkins52 
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