Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying exonyms (was: hatnotes)
2009/8/24 : > What about "movie stars" ? That's not quite as vague. Can we do that today > without human intervention? People who have been in a film? Or is that too > vague It can be done with say actors and actresses. Fun area since apparently it has number of closely related infoboxes which makes a good test for the first step of dealing with unfamiliar infoboxes. -- geni ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying exonyms (was: hatnotes)
In a message dated 8/24/2009 12:23:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, geni...@gmail.com writes: > Birth dates and locations tend to be fairly structured within articles > so are fairly easy to get. Dealing with a term as vauge as "celebrity" > make the task impossible even with human intervention.>> Hmm I'm not sure I can agree with that. Is "celebrity" really that ambiguous. I make a list of 100 Nebraskans born on May 15th. I would think we could all agree on at least ten of them as "celebrities" and probably 10 or 20 as not. It's that grey-area where some local newscaster is a celebrity to some and not to others. What about "movie stars" ? That's not quite as vague. Can we do that today without human intervention? People who have been in a film? Or is that too vague ** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&; bcd=JulystepsfooterNO115) ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying exonyms (was: hatnotes)
2009/8/24 : > In a message dated 8/24/2009 10:47:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > geni...@gmail.com writes: > > >> Wikipedia with it's surprisingly structured >> entries is likely to be used as a significant stepping stone in this >> direction.>> >> > > > > "What is the name of every celebrity born in Nebraska on May 15th?" > > Is that possible today without human intervention? > > W.J. Nope. The closest you could get would be "What is the name of every person that wikipedia knows was born in Nebraska on May 15th?" Birth dates and locations tend to be fairly structured within articles so are fairly easy to get. Dealing with a term as vauge as "celebrity" make the task impossible even with human intervention. -- geni ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying exonyms (was: hatnotes)
In a message dated 8/24/2009 10:47:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time, geni...@gmail.com writes: > Wikipedia with it's surprisingly structured > entries is likely to be used as a significant stepping stone in this > direction.>> > "What is the name of every celebrity born in Nebraska on May 15th?" Is that possible today without human intervention? W.J. ** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&; bcd=JulystepsfooterNO115) ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying exonyms (was: hatnotes)
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 6:54 PM, David Gerard wrote: > 2009/8/24 geni : > >> In practice the end point of Natural language processing and large >> scale digitalisation is likely to be made to request computer >> generated custom articles. Wikipedia with it's surprisingly structured >> entries is likely to be used as a significant stepping stone in this >> direction. > > > Yes. Rather a lot of conversations I have with random geeks are along > these lines. > > Basically, infoboxes = machine-readable data = good. So the way to go > there would be to make template plumbing give data more amenable to > chewing on. (Standardised names for template parameters, e.g. name, > photo.) Surely the real information is in the semantic linkings? The concept of the wikilink is still in its infancy, I think. If linking can be optimised (by editors), it will be fascinating to see what relationships that throws up. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying exonyms (was: hatnotes)
2009/8/24 David Gerard : > Yes. Rather a lot of conversations I have with random geeks are along > these lines. > > Basically, infoboxes = machine-readable data = good. So the way to go > there would be to make template plumbing give data more amenable to > chewing on. (Standardised names for template parameters, e.g. name, > photo.) > > > - d. Only in the short term. One of the things that makes wikipedia interesting is that it contains data with different levels of structure. Making a program that can read one infobox is easy. Making a program that can work out how to read related infoboxes is harder but far more interesting. -- geni ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying exonyms (was: hatnotes)
2009/8/24 geni : > In practice the end point of Natural language processing and large > scale digitalisation is likely to be made to request computer > generated custom articles. Wikipedia with it's surprisingly structured > entries is likely to be used as a significant stepping stone in this > direction. Yes. Rather a lot of conversations I have with random geeks are along these lines. Basically, infoboxes = machine-readable data = good. So the way to go there would be to make template plumbing give data more amenable to chewing on. (Standardised names for template parameters, e.g. name, photo.) - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying exonyms (was: hatnotes)
2009/8/24 Carcharoth : > On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 1:36 AM, wrote: > > > >> You silly goose. Don't you realize that when we all have brain implants >> that retain a quintabyte that the internet won't exist at all. We'll be in >> constant streaming twitter mode all the time. There won't be "articles" per >> se, and you won't get input from a single page, you'll get continuous input >> from a million sources simultaneously in twitt-bits. > > > > I wouldn't be so horrified if that didn't sound so plausible. > > Is it too late to try the 'Culture' route? (Iain M. Banks) > > Carcharoth That would be where they had several billion people vote on if cable cars should be installed in an area that was meant to be a wasteland. Preservationeers vs Pylonists was painfully familiar. In practice the end point of Natural language processing and large scale digitalisation is likely to be made to request computer generated custom articles. Wikipedia with it's surprisingly structured entries is likely to be used as a significant stepping stone in this direction. -- geni ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying exonyms (was: hatnotes)
Carcharoth wrote: > On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 1:36 AM, wrote: > > > > >> You silly goose. Don't you realize that when we all have brain implants >> that retain a quintabyte that the internet won't exist at all. We'll be in >> constant streaming twitter mode all the time. There won't be "articles" per >> se, and you won't get input from a single page, you'll get continuous input >> from a million sources simultaneously in twitt-bits. >> > > > > I wouldn't be so horrified if that didn't sound so plausible. > > Is it too late to try the 'Culture' route? (Iain M. Banks) > > Banks' is the "utopian version". The dystopian/nihilist version is the "One True" multiverse of John Barnes. I really hate the fact that the author I love above all others wrote such a disgusting, horrifying, and inescapably compelling vision of the future. And yes, I know that 'Culture' is only utopian if you ignore the fnords. Abject apologies for contributing to the worrisome trend of this channel to descend to non-wikipedia related non sequiturs, but there are times when one simply has to let ones pop cult. erudition get the better of oneself. Yours, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying exonyms (was: hatnotes)
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 1:36 AM, wrote: > You silly goose. Don't you realize that when we all have brain implants > that retain a quintabyte that the internet won't exist at all. We'll be in > constant streaming twitter mode all the time. There won't be "articles" per > se, and you won't get input from a single page, you'll get continuous input > from a million sources simultaneously in twitt-bits. I wouldn't be so horrified if that didn't sound so plausible. Is it too late to try the 'Culture' route? (Iain M. Banks) Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying exonyms (was: hatnotes)
In a message dated 8/23/2009 1:59:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time, bodnot...@gmail.com writes: > > Do you think it would be hopelessly superseded by brain implants that > give us access to all knowledge all of the time? Who's to say that > that knowledge wouldn't be provided by Wikipedia?>> > -- You silly goose. Don't you realize that when we all have brain implants that retain a quintabyte that the internet won't exist at all. We'll be in constant streaming twitter mode all the time. There won't be "articles" per se, and you won't get input from a single page, you'll get continuous input from a million sources simultaneously in twitt-bits. W.J. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying exonyms (was: hatnotes)
Of course the whole reason you'd want to put a reference to Vienna into the article on Vienne is that it's a French name, and if you happen to be reading a French text using Wikipedia as a reference it might be useful for you to know that the name Vienne may sometimes refer to a foreign capital. Could we do that in French Wikipedia? Yes, but why only French Wikipedia? On 8/23/09, Emily Monroe wrote: >> but why do you think that Wikipedia as a non-profit wouldn't be a >> part of that? > > You mean the Wikimedia foundation? > > Emily > On Aug 23, 2009, at 3:58 AM, Bod Notbod wrote: > >> On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 7:52 AM, wrote: >> >>> The "content" of Wikipedia, like malaria, is here to stay. It's been >>> copied so many times by now, that nothing can eradicate it. >>> Wikipedia itself however probably won't live more than ten more >>> years at >>> the most :) >>> >>> In twenty years, we will live inside the matrix 24-7 with constant >>> streaming implants so there won't be an "Internet" per se, and >>> computing power will >>> be distributed all-wetware-all-the-time. After all any million step >>> computation can be done one step at a time by a million neurons, >>> you don't even >>> have to be in a waking state. Hey that's gives me an idea! >> >> Let's run with it though... you're going with the (I think fairly >> sound) idea that the digital landscape will be very different 20 years >> down the line... but why do you think that Wikipedia as a non-profit >> wouldn't be a part of that? >> >> Do you think it would be hopelessly superseded by brain implants that >> give us access to all knowledge all of the time? Who's to say that >> that knowledge wouldn't be provided by Wikipedia? >> >> ___ >> WikiEN-l mailing list >> WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > > > ___ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying exonyms (was: hatnotes)
> but why do you think that Wikipedia as a non-profit wouldn't be a > part of that? You mean the Wikimedia foundation? Emily On Aug 23, 2009, at 3:58 AM, Bod Notbod wrote: > On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 7:52 AM, wrote: > >> The "content" of Wikipedia, like malaria, is here to stay. It's been >> copied so many times by now, that nothing can eradicate it. >> Wikipedia itself however probably won't live more than ten more >> years at >> the most :) >> >> In twenty years, we will live inside the matrix 24-7 with constant >> streaming implants so there won't be an "Internet" per se, and >> computing power will >> be distributed all-wetware-all-the-time. After all any million step >> computation can be done one step at a time by a million neurons, >> you don't even >> have to be in a waking state. Hey that's gives me an idea! > > Let's run with it though... you're going with the (I think fairly > sound) idea that the digital landscape will be very different 20 years > down the line... but why do you think that Wikipedia as a non-profit > wouldn't be a part of that? > > Do you think it would be hopelessly superseded by brain implants that > give us access to all knowledge all of the time? Who's to say that > that knowledge wouldn't be provided by Wikipedia? > > ___ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying exonyms (was: hatnotes)
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 7:52 AM, wrote: > The "content" of Wikipedia, like malaria, is here to stay. It's been > copied so many times by now, that nothing can eradicate it. > Wikipedia itself however probably won't live more than ten more years at > the most :) > > In twenty years, we will live inside the matrix 24-7 with constant > streaming implants so there won't be an "Internet" per se, and computing > power will > be distributed all-wetware-all-the-time. After all any million step > computation can be done one step at a time by a million neurons, you don't > even > have to be in a waking state. Hey that's gives me an idea! Let's run with it though... you're going with the (I think fairly sound) idea that the digital landscape will be very different 20 years down the line... but why do you think that Wikipedia as a non-profit wouldn't be a part of that? Do you think it would be hopelessly superseded by brain implants that give us access to all knowledge all of the time? Who's to say that that knowledge wouldn't be provided by Wikipedia? ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying exonyms (was: hatnotes)
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 1:52 AM, wrote: > In a message dated 8/22/2009 11:24:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > bodnot...@gmail.com writes: > > > > I do sometimes get into the mindset of thinking "everything I do with > > Wikipedia might be a waste of time" because I envision it collapsing, > > dying, being fatally attacked or somesuch.>> > > > > > > The "content" of Wikipedia, like malaria, is here to stay. It's been > copied so many times by now, that nothing can eradicate it. > Wikipedia itself however probably won't live more than ten more years at > the most :) > > In twenty years, we will live inside the matrix 24-7 with constant > streaming implants so there won't be an "Internet" per se, and computing > power will > be distributed all-wetware-all-the-time. After all any million step > computation can be done one step at a time by a million neurons, you don't > even > have to be in a waking state. Hey that's gives me an idea! > > I'd better get to work right away on building a wetware bot attack plan. > > W.J. > > ___ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > We could use that $100 wager to buy earshells... ~Keegan -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying exonyms (was: hatnotes)
In a message dated 8/22/2009 11:24:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bodnot...@gmail.com writes: > I do sometimes get into the mindset of thinking "everything I do with > Wikipedia might be a waste of time" because I envision it collapsing, > dying, being fatally attacked or somesuch.>> > The "content" of Wikipedia, like malaria, is here to stay. It's been copied so many times by now, that nothing can eradicate it. Wikipedia itself however probably won't live more than ten more years at the most :) In twenty years, we will live inside the matrix 24-7 with constant streaming implants so there won't be an "Internet" per se, and computing power will be distributed all-wetware-all-the-time. After all any million step computation can be done one step at a time by a million neurons, you don't even have to be in a waking state. Hey that's gives me an idea! I'd better get to work right away on building a wetware bot attack plan. W.J. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying exonyms (was: hatnotes)
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 7:04 AM, wrote: > I will wager $100 that Wikipedia will be gone long before the sun turns > into a Red Giant. I hope Wikipedia at least outlives me. I do sometimes get into the mindset of thinking "everything I do with Wikipedia might be a waste of time" because I envision it collapsing, dying, being fatally attacked or somesuch. That's why I do let out a big cheer (as if my favourite soccer team had scored a goal) every time the WMF gets a grant or large donation: it puts my worries to rest for a little while. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying exonyms (was: hatnotes)
In a message dated 8/22/2009 8:59:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time, kgnp...@gmail.com writes: > Right well, I'll start brushing up on my Breton and by the time I get > around > to learning Vietnamese the sun will have obliterated the earth and > Wikipedia > as we know it.>>-- I will wager $100 that Wikipedia will be gone long before the sun turns into a Red Giant. W.J. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying exonyms (was: hatnotes)
In a message dated 8/22/2009 8:04:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time, carcharot...@googlemail.com writes: > Will, is this genealogy webpage reliable at all? > > http://gilles.maillet.free.fr/histoire/famille_bourgogne/famille_vienne.htm > >> Well one thing I always caution people is, don't rely on websites of modern compilations *if* they don't provide sources. So let's check first the usual suspects and we can see right off that a large portion of this seems to be pulled in-tact from E.S. (III:452) If you want to rely on a site that I won't R.O.S. (revert on site) I'd recommend genealogics. We can see that Leo van de Pas (operator of genealogics) has extracted all or most of this line, for example see Hughes de Vienne, Sire de St George here : http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164470&tree=LEO You can follow this line back or forth and see what E.S. says or doesn't about it. That would be a good starting point. BUT (here you see my big but), always always check what source Leo has stated, at the bottom of each entry. Some sources like Paget are notoriously unreliable. Will Johnson ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying exonyms (was: hatnotes)
In a message dated 8/22/2009 6:44:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, stv...@gmail.com writes: > How is it claimed that we are bound to English spelling only, and yet > permit all the Nordic, Germanic, and French characters* - few of which > most *English* speakers know the pronunciation of. (*?)>> Diacritical marks are evil and must be destroyed. In addition the period after initials is redundant and evil (and must be destroyed). The usage "Dr Smith, M.D." is silly and evil and must be destroyed. The insistence by highbrows to spell "re-su-me" (your job history) with a diacritical mark is excessively evil and not only must be destroyed but all those who espouse this cause must be destroyed as well (and their families, in-laws and pets, especially cats). How much sugar is in this Jamba Juice I'm drinking W.J. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying exonyms (was: hatnotes)
> > Meanwhile, back on the English Wikipedia, a bot has added loads of > interwikis: > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vienne_(disambiguation)&diff=309530294&oldid=309522639 > > I wonder if all those are correct or not? > > Carcharoth > > ___ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > Right well, I'll start brushing up on my Breton and by the time I get around to learning Vietnamese the sun will have obliterated the earth and Wikipedia as we know it. ~Keegan -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying exonyms (was: hatnotes)
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Carcharoth wrote: > And does "Vienne" actually mean anything in French? Google Translate > helpfully tells me that "Vienne" means "Vienna" (yes, we knew that > already). Amongst possibly other things it's the subjunctive third person singular of the verb "venir" (to come): "J'ai peur qu'il vienne trop tot." - I'm afraid I'll come too early. Steve ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying exonyms (was: hatnotes)
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 2:43 AM, stevertigo wrote: >> carcharot...@googlemail.com writes: >>> *a département of France >>> *a French river >>> *a French city >>> *the French name for Vienna>> > > Shouldn't it be [[Vienne]]? With the lede starting out" > '''Vienne''' (English spelling: Vienna), is a city... > > A bit off topic, but I'd love to throw down and start an enormous > fight over endonyms versus exonyms: > How is it claimed that we are bound to English spelling only, and yet > permit all the Nordic, Germanic, and French characters* - few of which > most *English* speakers know the pronunciation of. (*?) > > If we want to really go international and say i18n permits non-English > spelling (characters), why then not make endonyms the standard? The > lingua franca is not just for native speakers and readers, but for > everyone who might potentially deals at all with English sources). Me, I'm wondering what the etymology of Vienne is? Will, is this genealogy webpage reliable at all? http://gilles.maillet.free.fr/histoire/famille_bourgogne/famille_vienne.htm I am trying to work out which "Vienne" the first French Admiral of the Fleet (or something), Jean de Vienne, came from, or was given a title to, or something. But I think it might just be a common French name for that period. And why would the French call Wien, Vienne? (The question of why the English call it Vienna is another story). And does "Vienne" actually mean anything in French? Google Translate helpfully tells me that "Vienne" means "Vienna" (yes, we knew that already). [At this point, in hope rather than expectation, I turned to the French wiktionary...] http://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/Vienne HA! "(Ville et rivière d’Autriche) De l’allemand Wien /viːn/. (Ville française en Isère) En latin moderne Vienna, du bas-latin Uindenna, du celtique Uindobona « ville brillante, belle ville », dérivé de uind « blanche », « brillante » et bona « ville ». (Rivière ou département français du Poitou) En bas-latin Vingenna, du celtique Uingenna « rivière blanche, brillante, belle rivière », dérivé de uind « blanche », « brillante » et onna « rivière » : la rivière a donné son nom au département français qu’elle traverse." Vienne, Isère: "In modern Latin Vienna, lower-latin Uindenna of Celtic Uindobona "Shining City, a beautiful city," uind derived from "white", "brilliant" and bona "town"." Vienne (river and department): "lower-latin Vingen of Celtic Uingenna "river white, shiny, beautiful river" uind derived from "white", "brilliant" and onna "River"" Fascinating! (though slightly worried about sources for all that) Now, why did that French wiktionary page not come up near the top on my Google search for "etymology vienne"? Ah, silly me. When I search for "Étymologie vienne", it is the top hit. Should have thought to search using the French term for etymology. Meanwhile, back on the English Wikipedia, a bot has added loads of interwikis: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vienne_(disambiguation)&diff=309530294&oldid=309522639 I wonder if all those are correct or not? Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
