Re: [WikiEN-l] Google Starts Including Wikipedia on Its News Site
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 11:34 AM, geni wrote: > From a news company's POV there is little point in sending someone to > Iran to report on events if people are only going to read your reports > as rehashed by blogs and wikipedia. Maybe they should start their own blogs and wikipedias. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Google Starts Including Wikipedia on Its News Site
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Re: [WikiEN-l] Google Starts Including Wikipedia on Its News Site
2009/6/22 Jussi-Ville Heiskanen : > Charles Matthews wrote: >> David Gerard wrote: >>> http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=1&storycode=43823&c=1 >> Interesting. They're attempting to raise money by circulating people >> saying "you should send us money". We should try that. Oh ... > Category error. We aren't billing anyone. Donations are > a completely different animal. I would characterise their original email as "salescall-with-menaces." - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Google Starts Including Wikipedia on Its News Site
2009/6/22 Jussi-Ville Heiskanen : >> Interesting. They're attempting to raise money by circulating people >> saying "you should send us money". We should try that. Oh ... >> >> > Category error. We aren't billing anyone. Donations are > a completely different animal. > > It has been suggested that in some cases at least news organisations should adopt a non profit model. -- geni ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Google Starts Including Wikipedia on Its News Site
Charles Matthews wrote: > David Gerard wrote: > >> 2009/6/22 Charles Matthews : >> >> >> >>> DG, lighten up on Noam Cohen a bit - he seems more disposed to be fair >>> to us than when I met him in Taipei in 2007, and seemed surprised that >>> any Wikipedians were actually, like, serious. His point was factual >>> even if you may think it is misdirection. >>> >>> >> I took it as a direct message of his employer's stance. >> > So we should be understanding ... > >> It's 100% >> indicative of the industry stance. Have you seen this *batshit insane* >> bullshit? (forwarded to me by Mike Peel): >> >> http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=1&storycode=43823&c=1 >> >> > Interesting. They're attempting to raise money by circulating people > saying "you should send us money". We should try that. Oh ... > > Category error. We aren't billing anyone. Donations are a completely different animal. Yours, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Google Starts Including Wikipedia on Its News Site
David Gerard wrote: > 2009/6/22 Charles Matthews : > > >> DG, lighten up on Noam Cohen a bit - he seems more disposed to be fair >> to us than when I met him in Taipei in 2007, and seemed surprised that >> any Wikipedians were actually, like, serious. His point was factual >> even if you may think it is misdirection. >> > > > I took it as a direct message of his employer's stance. It's 100% > indicative of the industry stance. Have you seen this *batshit insane* > bullshit? (forwarded to me by Mike Peel): > > http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=1&storycode=43823&c=1 > > "The Newspaper Licensing Agency has announced it is to begin > regulating its customers' use of hyperlinks to newspaper articles on > the web." > > These people were trying to email me bills for WMUK to pay for the use > of newspaper links at all on Wikipedia. I told them to try the > Foundation. > > I think that falls squarely into the category of "You couldn't make this stuff up!" Incredible, simply incredible. Yours, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Google Starts Including Wikipedia on Its News Site
Steve Summit wrote: > I'm not saying we're doing anything wrong, any more than Google > News is doing anything wrong. But as Zachary Seward has > described [1], we're viewed (by Google itself) as one of the > web-2.0-ey things that will displace conventional journalism. > > This isn't the place to debate how conventional journalism > can rescue itself (or where the new niche for investigative > journalists will be), but it's a pretty interesting question. > > There's room for some amusement here ([[Raymond Smullyan]]-type self-reference or the worm [[Ouroboros]], depending on your preferred reading). The media is increasingly self-swallowing and at the same time journalists are writing more and more about the media. But what WP does cannot possibly displace totally "conventional journalism" in the sense of originating reporting. I'd certainly be interested in what someone from the wire services had to say, rather than those who are in it for a Pulitzer. And there are other angles, of course. Proper information is what moves markets, so those who have that information in a timely way will always have something to sell. Charles ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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2009/6/22 Charles Matthews : > Of course it's economics telling here, and the fact that newspapers > weren't smart enough to set up a cartel a decade or more ago, so that > online news would be subscriber-only. And that they're blaming Google, because Google is making money therefore (for some reason) they should get some. When the real culprit is Craigslist destroying classifieds. - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Google Starts Including Wikipedia on Its News Site
>> "So, in essence, many Wikipedia articles are another way that the work >> of news publications is quickly condensed and reused without >> compensation." >> >> What the fuck. Is there a journalist in the last four years who hasn't >> used Wikipedia as their handy universal backgrounder? > > Journalists use each other's work all the time without, as far as I > know, paying each other anything. It's a completely ridiculous > complaint. I didn't read it as a complaint; more of a rueful acknowledgement. (As Charles Matthews has already pointed out, it's factually quite accurate.) Rightly or wrongly, journalism is widely viewed as being a dying industry if not a downright dinosaur. And if the journalists (and the journals) all disappear, we're going to be hurting for reliable sources, so if it's a problem, it's our problem, too. I'm not saying we're doing anything wrong, any more than Google News is doing anything wrong. But as Zachary Seward has described [1], we're viewed (by Google itself) as one of the web-2.0-ey things that will displace conventional journalism. This isn't the place to debate how conventional journalism can rescue itself (or where the new niche for investigative journalists will be), but it's a pretty interesting question. [1] http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/06/google-news-experimenting-with-links-to-wikipedia-on-its-homepage/ ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Google Starts Including Wikipedia on Its News Site
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > Do we have any stats on how often people click the links in > references? I suspect not. It would be good if we could get some, > though. > Slightly tangential, a few days ago I was trying to figure out how this Google News listing algorithm works and how much traffic it's driving to us. The most interesting thing I found was this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_and_state_funeral_of_Omar_Bongo It was linked from the World News section of Google News; I noticed it in the last few hours of 16 June UTC (and at the time it was listed, it had only a single author and had been created that day). According to http://stats.grok.se/en/200906/Death_and_state_funeral_of_Omar_Bongo , it only got 35 hits for 16 June. The next day it got over 300 hits, but I suspect most of these were internal hits, from the editors discussing whether to include it on the main page for "In the news", from the current events portal, and from [[Omar Bongo]]. I'm not sure if the Google News link persisted into 17 June or not. Based on what I've seen of articles with multiple links to recent news stories, regardless of when they were created or how many people have contributed, I suspect that inclusion in Google News is based on traffic and/or links *from* Wikipedia to the stories Google News has identified as a group. I haven't seen any cases where an article was listed with only a single link to a current news story. It might be worthwhile to do some tests by creating articles in a controlled manner with different numbers of links to news stories, to get a better sense of what it takes for Google News to pick up a new article. -Sage (User:Ragesoss) ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Google Starts Including Wikipedia on Its News Site
Is there a way to have the links from the Google front page scraped
automatically to have the pages dumped into the category by bot, rather than
relying on folks to keep it up to date by hand? I can foresee having a
historical category ("Articles linked by Google News"), a current category
("Current Google News article") and ultimately a template ("This page has
been linked to by Google News, etc. etc."). All would be best updated and
maintained by bot, if its possible.
Nathan
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Re: [WikiEN-l] Google Starts Including Wikipedia on Its News Site
Nathan wrote > > And it isn't so terribly unreasonable, the idea that news aggregators (who > collate content, rather than create it) should be asked to pay some portion > of their revenue to the folks who actually do the work. Our role is a bit > different, since we combine a broad range of references into representative, > but cohesive and unique, coverage of a topic. Google and other sites just > pull links - the most they might do is write an introductory blurb of about > a sentence. I don't personally see that as much different than a normal > search engine function, but I can see where the news people are coming from > on this one. > It's certainly not reasonable to ask anyone to pay to link to your webpage. If you don't think people should be able to link freely to your content, don't put it on the Web. Of course it's economics telling here, and the fact that newspapers weren't smart enough to set up a cartel a decade or more ago, so that online news would be subscriber-only. Charles ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Google Starts Including Wikipedia on Its News Site
2009/6/22 Fred Bauder : > Remember, we have people in Iran. > > Fred But not reporters and I don't think wikinews is getting much stuff. The view is understandable. So called citizen journalism doesn't do much in the way of original research or reporting and the cases that it does do per year can generally be counted on the fingers of one hand. In the overwhelming majority of cases Blogs and the like consist of nothing more than commenting on stories in the traditional media. Stories they worked hard to get. Heh even when there was that plane crash on the Hudson river, an ideal case for citizen journalism, we only got a handful of photos. Any event that requires talking to people or moveing outside major western population centers? In all likelihood will only be covered by traditional news. If you were really prepared to scrape around a bit I suppose you could argue that indymedia is something of a counter example but even that is somewhat limited. Wikipedia can be argued to be slightly different since it pulls background info from non news sources (books, journals specialist publications) but for info on current events it still very much rides on the back of the traditional news media. -- geni ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Google Starts Including Wikipedia on Its News Site
2009/6/22 Ian Woollard : > On 22/06/2009, geni wrote: >> From a news company's POV there is little point in sending someone to >> Iran to report on events if people are only going to read your reports >> as rehashed by blogs and wikipedia. > > Actually, the Wikipedia does at least usually refer to the original > source; most conventional media don't even bother. So, while they > don't get link juice, they will get some click-throughs. Do we have any stats on how often people click the links in references? I suspect not. It would be good if we could get some, though. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Google Starts Including Wikipedia on Its News Site
On 22/06/2009, geni wrote: > From a news company's POV there is little point in sending someone to > Iran to report on events if people are only going to read your reports > as rehashed by blogs and wikipedia. Actually, the Wikipedia does at least usually refer to the original source; most conventional media don't even bother. So, while they don't get link juice, they will get some click-throughs. > -- > geni -- -Ian Woollard "All the world's a stage... but you'll grow out of it eventually." ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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2009/6/22 Fred Bauder : > I set this up as Category:Currently linked to from Google News > > but notice that extremely rapid modification of the main page of Google > News results in frequent removal and addition of links. Our list could > never be current or complete, but might still be useful if attended to. Is it worth asking Google if they could supply us with a list? ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Google Starts Including Wikipedia on Its News Site
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 12:17 PM, David Gerard wrote: > 2009/6/22 Charles Matthews : > > > DG, lighten up on Noam Cohen a bit - he seems more disposed to be fair > > to us than when I met him in Taipei in 2007, and seemed surprised that > > any Wikipedians were actually, like, serious. His point was factual > > even if you may think it is misdirection. > > > I took it as a direct message of his employer's stance. It's 100% > indicative of the industry stance. Have you seen this *batshit insane* > bullshit? (forwarded to me by Mike Peel): > > > - d. > I wouldn't take it to indicate the stance of the New York Times as a company; even if it were Bill Keller writing the article, it wouldn't necessarily represent the corporate position. Cohen is just a reporter, not spokesman for NYT Inc. And it isn't so terribly unreasonable, the idea that news aggregators (who collate content, rather than create it) should be asked to pay some portion of their revenue to the folks who actually do the work. Our role is a bit different, since we combine a broad range of references into representative, but cohesive and unique, coverage of a topic. Google and other sites just pull links - the most they might do is write an introductory blurb of about a sentence. I don't personally see that as much different than a normal search engine function, but I can see where the news people are coming from on this one. Nathan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Google Starts Including Wikipedia on Its News Site
David Gerard wrote: > 2009/6/22 Charles Matthews : > > >> DG, lighten up on Noam Cohen a bit - he seems more disposed to be fair >> to us than when I met him in Taipei in 2007, and seemed surprised that >> any Wikipedians were actually, like, serious. His point was factual >> even if you may think it is misdirection. >> > > > I took it as a direct message of his employer's stance. So we should be understanding ... > It's 100% > indicative of the industry stance. Have you seen this *batshit insane* > bullshit? (forwarded to me by Mike Peel): > > http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=1&storycode=43823&c=1 > Interesting. They're attempting to raise money by circulating people saying "you should send us money". We should try that. Oh ... Charles ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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2009/6/22 Charles Matthews : > DG, lighten up on Noam Cohen a bit - he seems more disposed to be fair > to us than when I met him in Taipei in 2007, and seemed surprised that > any Wikipedians were actually, like, serious. His point was factual > even if you may think it is misdirection. I took it as a direct message of his employer's stance. It's 100% indicative of the industry stance. Have you seen this *batshit insane* bullshit? (forwarded to me by Mike Peel): http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=1&storycode=43823&c=1 "The Newspaper Licensing Agency has announced it is to begin regulating its customers' use of hyperlinks to newspaper articles on the web." These people were trying to email me bills for WMUK to pay for the use of newspaper links at all on Wikipedia. I told them to try the Foundation. - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Google Starts Including Wikipedia on Its News Site
> Is there a way to have the links from the Google front page scraped
> automatically to have the pages dumped into the category by bot, rather
> than
> relying on folks to keep it up to date by hand? I can foresee having a
> historical category ("Articles linked by Google News"), a current
> category
> ("Current Google News article") and ultimately a template ("This page has
> been linked to by Google News, etc. etc."). All would be best updated and
> maintained by bot, if its possible.
>
> Nathan
Of course, as hand work it is hopeless.
Fred
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Re: [WikiEN-l] Google Starts Including Wikipedia on Its News Site
> 2009/6/22 Thomas Dalton : >> Journalists use each other's work all the time without, as far as I >> know, paying each other anything. It's a completely ridiculous >> complaint. > > Various organisations such as AP make good money selling their > stories. There are still some freelance journalists left and > traditionally stories were purchased from local newspapers. > > > The complaint is that we benefit from their front line reporting which > is rather expensive for them without carrying out front line reporting > of their own. > >>From a news company's POV there is little point in sending someone to > Iran to report on events if people are only going to read your reports > as rehashed by blogs and wikipedia. > > > -- > geni > Remember, we have people in Iran. Fred ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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Fred Bauder wrote: > Such awesome responsibility we have now... > > The suggestion that there should be an onsite category for articles on Google News is good (prefer a hidden category). As I was saying in another thread, the journos' priority of getting the breaking news aand getting it right is being dumped in our laps. (I stick to my point with respect to what Ec was saying there: "backlog", or shovelling enough existing scholarship into the 'pedia to make it look like proper coverage of the "wellknowable" - a Conwayism - is very different from "frontlog".) DG, lighten up on Noam Cohen a bit - he seems more disposed to be fair to us than when I met him in Taipei in 2007, and seemed surprised that any Wikipedians were actually, like, serious. His point was factual even if you may think it is misdirection. Charles ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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2009/6/22 Fred Bauder : > I set this up as Category:Currently linked to from Google News > but notice that extremely rapid modification of the main page of Google > News results in frequent removal and addition of links. Our list could > never be current or complete, but might still be useful if attended to. Maybe should be "has been linked from", maybe with a template on the talk page? Or at least a list of sightings. - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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>> Can someone set up a Wikipedia space page that lists the articles >> featured >> on Google News? The articles will already be under closer scrutiny, for >> the >> same reason they're on Google, but it might be good to have a page that >> people can scan for blatant problems and use as a focus for >> improvement. >> >> Nathan >> > > Yes, being listed on Google News can certainly bring focus to the > articles affected, both for good and ill. Those listed right now are: > > Speaker of the British House of Commons election, 2009 > > David S. Rohde > > 20 June 2009 Taza bombing > > http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&tab=wn > > How about a category" Category:Google News > > Maintenance would consist of adding the category to articles currently > featured and removing it from those no longer featured. > > Fred > I set this up as Category:Currently linked to from Google News but notice that extremely rapid modification of the main page of Google News results in frequent removal and addition of links. Our list could never be current or complete, but might still be useful if attended to. Fred > >> On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Fred Bauder >> wrote: >> >>> Such awesome responsibility we have now... >>> >>> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/22/technology/internet/22wiki.html >>> >>> This includes an explanation of why these links were seen only >>> occasionally. >>> >>> Fred >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> WikiEN-l mailing list >>> WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Your donations keep Wikipedia running! Support the Wikimedia Foundation >> today: http://www.wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate >> > > > > ___ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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2009/6/22 Thomas Dalton : > Journalists use each other's work all the time without, as far as I > know, paying each other anything. It's a completely ridiculous > complaint. Various organisations such as AP make good money selling their stories. There are still some freelance journalists left and traditionally stories were purchased from local newspapers. The complaint is that we benefit from their front line reporting which is rather expensive for them without carrying out front line reporting of their own. >From a news company's POV there is little point in sending someone to Iran to report on events if people are only going to read your reports as rehashed by blogs and wikipedia. -- geni ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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> Can someone set up a Wikipedia space page that lists the articles > featured > on Google News? The articles will already be under closer scrutiny, for > the > same reason they're on Google, but it might be good to have a page that > people can scan for blatant problems and use as a focus for improvement. > > Nathan > Yes, being listed on Google News can certainly bring focus to the articles affected, both for good and ill. Those listed right now are: Speaker of the British House of Commons election, 2009 David S. Rohde 20 June 2009 Taza bombing http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&tab=wn How about a category" Category:Google News Maintenance would consist of adding the category to articles currently featured and removing it from those no longer featured. Fred > On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Fred Bauder > wrote: > >> Such awesome responsibility we have now... >> >> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/22/technology/internet/22wiki.html >> >> This includes an explanation of why these links were seen only >> occasionally. >> >> Fred >> >> >> ___ >> WikiEN-l mailing list >> WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l >> > > > > -- > Your donations keep Wikipedia running! Support the Wikimedia Foundation > today: http://www.wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate > ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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2009/6/22 Thomas Dalton : > Journalists use each other's work all the time without, as far as I > know, paying each other anything. It's a completely ridiculous > complaint. I made it a comment on the story too. You may wish to add your paragraph. http://community.nytimes.com/comments/www.nytimes.com/2009/06/22/technology/internet/22wiki.html#postComment - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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2009/6/22 David Gerard : > 2009/6/22 Fred Bauder : > >> Such awesome responsibility we have now... >> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/22/technology/internet/22wiki.html >> This includes an explanation of why these links were seen only occasionally. > > > "So, in essence, many Wikipedia articles are another way that the work > of news publications is quickly condensed and reused without > compensation." > > What the fuck. Is there a journalist in the last four years who hasn't > used Wikipedia as their handy universal backgrounder? I'm not seeing > donations to WMF from newspapers as "compensation." I'd expect Noam > Cohen to know better than such rubbish. Journalists use each other's work all the time without, as far as I know, paying each other anything. It's a completely ridiculous complaint. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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Can someone set up a Wikipedia space page that lists the articles featured on Google News? The articles will already be under closer scrutiny, for the same reason they're on Google, but it might be good to have a page that people can scan for blatant problems and use as a focus for improvement. Nathan On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Fred Bauder wrote: > Such awesome responsibility we have now... > > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/22/technology/internet/22wiki.html > > This includes an explanation of why these links were seen only > occasionally. > > Fred > > > ___ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > -- Your donations keep Wikipedia running! Support the Wikimedia Foundation today: http://www.wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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2009/6/22 Fred Bauder : > Such awesome responsibility we have now... > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/22/technology/internet/22wiki.html > This includes an explanation of why these links were seen only occasionally. "So, in essence, many Wikipedia articles are another way that the work of news publications is quickly condensed and reused without compensation." What the fuck. Is there a journalist in the last four years who hasn't used Wikipedia as their handy universal backgrounder? I'm not seeing donations to WMF from newspapers as "compensation." I'd expect Noam Cohen to know better than such rubbish. - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
