Re: [WikiEN-l] ZOMG Wikipedia is TERRORIST!!1!1!!!!
I think those clueless people out there (or those who are just plain ignorant) are beginning to know how exactly the wheel was invented. -MuZemike On 7/23/2010 7:49 PM, George Herbert wrote: David - Please don't toss napalm on the fire. Thanks. -george On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 5:04 PM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: On 24 July 2010 00:57, Thomas Daltonthomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 July 2010 13:53, Daniel R. Tobiasd...@tobias.name wrote: rightly ridiculed by critics such as the WR crowd. See, that's a sentence fragment that is intrinsically flawed. The WR crowd in question was not critics, the correct term is stalkers and trolls, several of whom are the actual people the foundation was concerned about showing up there. You get no points for clear thinking on this topic. The Foundation, like any other employer, has a duty (both legal and moral) to protect its staff. The nature of the Foundation's work means there is a significant risk of it coming under various forms of attack, including people turning up at the office and behaving in a threatening manner. Keeping the location of the office quiet was the best way the Foundation had to mitigate that risk. The new office comes with security, so the risk is significantly reduced, hence the address being published. - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] ZOMG Wikipedia is TERRORIST!!1!1!!!!
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 08:43:03 -0700, Cary Bass wrote: On 07/21/2010 12:07 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: Indeed. The address of the old office was kept quiet for security reasons, but the address of the new office has always been publicly available. To give him the benefit of the tiniest bit of doubt, he might have written it while the WMF was in the old office and just taken a long time to submit it to the court and not thought to check it was still true. There has been a phone number available for years, though. Might I also offer that kept quiet does not negate offered up to anyone who phoned up and asked for it. In reality, it was simply not publicized; but it was generally fairly easy to get. Still, making any attempt to be secretive about where the office was (which even included deleting pictures from Commons that showed what the building looked like) was a really silly thing for an organization based around free exchange of information to do, and was rightly ridiculed by critics such as the WR crowd. -- == Dan == Dan's Mail Format Site: http://mailformat.dan.info/ Dan's Web Tips: http://webtips.dan.info/ Dan's Domain Site: http://domains.dan.info/ ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] ZOMG Wikipedia is TERRORIST!!1!1!!!!
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 4:28 PM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: However, from: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/w/index.php?title=Contact_usaction=history ...This guy filed the complaint at a time (Feb 28, 2010) after the last update to the WMF Contact us page was made (Nov 3, 2009), and the page contained the street address for the office. The address is actually on a template that's transcluded in multiple pages on foundationwiki: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/w/index.php?title=Template:Foundation_addressaction=history. However, you're correct that that's still before Feb 28, 2010. :-) -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] ZOMG Wikipedia is TERRORIST!!1!1!!!!
On 23 July 2010 13:53, Daniel R. Tobias d...@tobias.name wrote: Still, making any attempt to be secretive about where the office was (which even included deleting pictures from Commons that showed what the building looked like) was a really silly thing for an organization based around free exchange of information to do, and was rightly ridiculed by critics such as the WR crowd. The Foundation, like any other employer, has a duty (both legal and moral) to protect its staff. The nature of the Foundation's work means there is a significant risk of it coming under various forms of attack, including people turning up at the office and behaving in a threatening manner. Keeping the location of the office quiet was the best way the Foundation had to mitigate that risk. The new office comes with security, so the risk is significantly reduced, hence the address being published. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] ZOMG Wikipedia is TERRORIST!!1!1!!!!
On 24 July 2010 00:57, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 July 2010 13:53, Daniel R. Tobias d...@tobias.name wrote: rightly ridiculed by critics such as the WR crowd. See, that's a sentence fragment that is intrinsically flawed. The WR crowd in question was not critics, the correct term is stalkers and trolls, several of whom are the actual people the foundation was concerned about showing up there. You get no points for clear thinking on this topic. The Foundation, like any other employer, has a duty (both legal and moral) to protect its staff. The nature of the Foundation's work means there is a significant risk of it coming under various forms of attack, including people turning up at the office and behaving in a threatening manner. Keeping the location of the office quiet was the best way the Foundation had to mitigate that risk. The new office comes with security, so the risk is significantly reduced, hence the address being published. - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] ZOMG Wikipedia is TERRORIST!!1!1!!!!
David - Please don't toss napalm on the fire. Thanks. -george On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 5:04 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 24 July 2010 00:57, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 July 2010 13:53, Daniel R. Tobias d...@tobias.name wrote: rightly ridiculed by critics such as the WR crowd. See, that's a sentence fragment that is intrinsically flawed. The WR crowd in question was not critics, the correct term is stalkers and trolls, several of whom are the actual people the foundation was concerned about showing up there. You get no points for clear thinking on this topic. The Foundation, like any other employer, has a duty (both legal and moral) to protect its staff. The nature of the Foundation's work means there is a significant risk of it coming under various forms of attack, including people turning up at the office and behaving in a threatening manner. Keeping the location of the office quiet was the best way the Foundation had to mitigate that risk. The new office comes with security, so the risk is significantly reduced, hence the address being published. - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l -- -george william herbert george.herb...@gmail.com ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] ZOMG Wikipedia is TERRORIST!!1!1!!!!
On 24 July 2010 01:04, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 24 July 2010 00:57, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 July 2010 13:53, Daniel R. Tobias d...@tobias.name wrote: rightly ridiculed by critics such as the WR crowd. See, that's a sentence fragment that is intrinsically flawed. The WR crowd in question was not critics, the correct term is stalkers and trolls, several of whom are the actual people the foundation was concerned about showing up there. You get no points for clear thinking on this topic. Actually, I think the correct term has a few more asterisks in it... ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] ZOMG Wikipedia is TERRORIST!!1!1!!!!
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 11:07 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: he might have written it while the WMF was in the old office He was blocked in February 2010. --vvv ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] ZOMG Wikipedia is TERRORIST!!1!1!!!!
It's merely a response to him being blocked from editing for legal threats. He tried to make good on them and failed.[1] According to the article on him he is a former U.S. federal prison inmate[2]. If the article is accurate, I feel a little bit bad for him... Also looks like he's written a book called Extraterrestrials And Sex[3]. I can only wonder why. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Russelldansmith [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Smith_(prisoner_activist) [3] http://www2.xlibris.com/bookstore/bookdisplay.aspx?bookid=45930 On 7/21/10, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 21 July 2010 20:01, Bod Notbod bodnot...@gmail.com wrote: The petition states that the Foundation cannot be traced to a physical address. That can't be right, can it? And then he signs at the bottom which warns that - if he knowingly states a falsehood - he commits perjury; so if he *is* aware that the Foundation has an address he has perjured himself. Googling Wikimedia Foundation gives you as top hit the site you would expect and as soon as you click contact us you are given the Foundation's address. Indeed. The address of the old office was kept quiet for security reasons, but the address of the new office has always been publicly available. To give him the benefit of the tiniest bit of doubt, he might have written it while the WMF was in the old office and just taken a long time to submit it to the court and not thought to check it was still true. There has been a phone number available for years, though. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] ZOMG Wikipedia is TERRORIST!!1!1!!!!
So what is the back story to all of this? and can someone do a tldr version of the first link? -Peachey ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] ZOMG Wikipedia is TERRORIST!!1!1!!!!
On 22 July 2010 10:59, K. Peachey p858sn...@yahoo.com.au wrote: So what is the back story to all of this? and can someone do a tldr version of the first link? You have the read the original to truly appreciate it. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] ZOMG Wikipedia is TERRORIST!!1!1!!!!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/21/2010 12:07 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: Indeed. The address of the old office was kept quiet for security reasons, but the address of the new office has always been publicly available. To give him the benefit of the tiniest bit of doubt, he might have written it while the WMF was in the old office and just taken a long time to submit it to the court and not thought to check it was still true. There has been a phone number available for years, though. Might I also offer that kept quiet does not negate offered up to anyone who phoned up and asked for it. In reality, it was simply not publicized; but it was generally fairly easy to get. - -- Cary Bass Volunteer Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkxIZwcACgkQyQg4JSymDYlY6QCfYbY6EEAxkrlX1WTNgtxUaEqE BW0AoKune5cGPfbO27Mw59BimvyBSDLC =zssQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] ZOMG Wikipedia is TERRORIST!!1!1!!!!
On 22 July 2010 16:43, Cary Bass c...@wikimedia.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/21/2010 12:07 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: Indeed. The address of the old office was kept quiet for security reasons, but the address of the new office has always been publicly available. To give him the benefit of the tiniest bit of doubt, he might have written it while the WMF was in the old office and just taken a long time to submit it to the court and not thought to check it was still true. There has been a phone number available for years, though. Might I also offer that kept quiet does not negate offered up to anyone who phoned up and asked for it. In reality, it was simply not publicized; but it was generally fairly easy to get. Indeed, that's why I said quiet rather than private or secret. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] ZOMG Wikipedia is TERRORIST!!1!1!!!!
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 22 July 2010 16:43, Cary Bass c...@wikimedia.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/21/2010 12:07 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: Indeed. The address of the old office was kept quiet for security reasons, but the address of the new office has always been publicly available. To give him the benefit of the tiniest bit of doubt, he might have written it while the WMF was in the old office and just taken a long time to submit it to the court and not thought to check it was still true. There has been a phone number available for years, though. Might I also offer that kept quiet does not negate offered up to anyone who phoned up and asked for it. In reality, it was simply not publicized; but it was generally fairly easy to get. Indeed, that's why I said quiet rather than private or secret. ...And there was always a legal service address for DMCA takedown notices, through which agents can serve even if the organization itself is not available. And a published phone number. However, from: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/w/index.php?title=Contact_usaction=history ...This guy filed the complaint at a time (Feb 28, 2010) after the last update to the WMF Contact us page was made (Nov 3, 2009), and the page contained the street address for the office. -- -george william herbert george.herb...@gmail.com ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] ZOMG Wikipedia is TERRORIST!!1!1!!!!
On 22 July 2010 23:19, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote: Is idiocy a defence to perjury? Yes, regrettably it is. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] ZOMG Wikipedia is TERRORIST!!1!1!!!!
On 21 July 2010 14:35, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: http://dir.groups.yahoo.com/group/wikipediadown/message/2 Court: go away. https://ecf.dcd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/show_public_doc?2010cv0609-3 (PDF) - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] ZOMG Wikipedia is TERRORIST!!1!1!!!!
On 21 July 2010 14:35, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: http://dir.groups.yahoo.com/group/wikipediadown/message/2 That's great fun! If I had more faith in humanity, I'd assume it was somebody's idea of a joke... (a joke which wastes the court's time, at that). ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] ZOMG Wikipedia is TERRORIST!!1!1!!!!
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 4:50 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: That's great fun! If I had more faith in humanity, I'd assume it was somebody's idea of a joke... (a joke which wastes the court's time, at that). The petition states that the Foundation cannot be traced to a physical address. That can't be right, can it? And then he signs at the bottom which warns that - if he knowingly states a falsehood - he commits perjury; so if he *is* aware that the Foundation has an address he has perjured himself. Googling Wikimedia Foundation gives you as top hit the site you would expect and as soon as you click contact us you are given the Foundation's address. Sigh. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] ZOMG Wikipedia is TERRORIST!!1!1!!!!
On 21 July 2010 20:01, Bod Notbod bodnot...@gmail.com wrote: The petition states that the Foundation cannot be traced to a physical address. That can't be right, can it? And then he signs at the bottom which warns that - if he knowingly states a falsehood - he commits perjury; so if he *is* aware that the Foundation has an address he has perjured himself. Googling Wikimedia Foundation gives you as top hit the site you would expect and as soon as you click contact us you are given the Foundation's address. Indeed. The address of the old office was kept quiet for security reasons, but the address of the new office has always been publicly available. To give him the benefit of the tiniest bit of doubt, he might have written it while the WMF was in the old office and just taken a long time to submit it to the court and not thought to check it was still true. There has been a phone number available for years, though. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
