[Wiki Loves Monuments] Re: Decision of WLM in Ukraine organizers not to submit photos for the international round
Hi Željko, Thank you for your support. Fortunately, Wikimedia Ukraine in general and WLM Ukraine team in particular do have material resources. We are more lucky than many Ukrainian organisations by being able to support our community, partners, staff and contractors owing to WMF funding. We understand that this is a privilege, and we try to achieve the maximum possible impact in a difficult situation. Less fortunately, both Ukrainian Wikimedians and Ukrainian cultural heritage are at risk due to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and it is all but 'business as usual' for us. First of all, we raised the topic of war impact in Ukraine back in the DEI discussions in the first half of 2022. However, the final DEI report ( https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/DEI_research_2022/Final_report ) does not even mention any of the words 'war', 'military', 'occupation' or similar. I think it was pretty obvious since February 2022 that the war has a major destructive impact on Ukraine's cultural heritage, and the war is a major obstacle both to diversity (as it's genocidal in nature and deliberately exterminates cultural diversity), equity (huge difference in perception of a Wikimedian with a camera close to the front line and in peaceful areas) and inclusion (it is harder to engage people when a power station or telecommunications infrastructure in their city is bombed). It could have been clear already at this stage that there is a major problem. Then we did reach out to the Wiki Loves Monuments international team in early November. We tried to understand first if there was any decision already made or planned. The problem was acknowledged but not solved. Then there was a parallel public discussion here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2022 , leading to the same result. We could have indeed organised some public campaign about it. However, we did not have human resources to do it - we have a reduced capacity due to the war and associated power blackouts in Ukraine - as we preferred to spend them on organising a successful photo contest despite all war-related limitations and a tight timeline. We do appreciate though public efforts by others to support us. This is indeed a difficult situation, as this is the first case of a genocidal / colonial invasion of a neighbouring country in the history of Wiki Loves Monuments. Luckily we do not have precedents as such wars were not supposed to happen in the 21st century. But we as the movement cannot say that doing nothing is the best option. The world of culture did not do nothing in 2022, like it did not do nothing in 1992 with Yugoslavian invasion of Croatia and Bosnia. Personally I cannot imagine how to appreciate beautiful pictures of Russian cultural heritage in 2022, even though I could do it myself in 2012. I cannot see how I would write to a Ukrainian photographer something like 'Congratulations, your photo ranked very high in Wiki Loves Monuments, right behind an amazing picture of a Russian church' in 2022, even though it would have inspired him to take better pictures next year in 2017. I do not know any reasonable way to deliver a message like 'A photo of Moscow Kremlin was rated as one of the most outstanding pictures of world's cultural heritage in 2022', as the only reaction is that this is a picture from a country organising a genocide and deliberately destroying neighbours' cultural heritage. I am pretty sure I am far from being the only one thinking so. It is disappointing that despite all DEI efforts the impact of a genocidal war was not really acknowledged, but I do hope that this can and will be changed. In any case the Ukrainian community will remain involved in Wiki Loves Monuments, with hopes that next year we will face less obstacles. Best regards, Mykola Kozlenko (NickK) (member of WLM Ukraine team, writing in my personal capacity) 15 грудня 2022, 08:59:19, від "Željko Blaće" : Dear Olga and WLM Ukraine - your work is impressive and your efforts to bring visibility and point to issues with WLM in 2022 are also. I can empathize with the feeling one gets when others are benevolent to recognize and act on what seems obvious *(as someone who experienced war aggression in all of my homelands, first SFR Yugoslavia, then Croatia and Bosnia & Herzegovina. I do agree that the WLM 2022 international team should not process Russian photos in a competitive way against Ukrainians and I wish this was raised as an issue more publicly. WLM had issues also before with inertia and no capacity and/or good will to recognize problems on national levels. Here I agree with Peter on no good options but this is no excuse for not exploring good-enough or better-than options! I am hopeful that your work will sustain and that soon enough you will inform and inspire systemic change in Wikimedia. Meanwhile I hope WMF can practically support your
[Wiki Loves Monuments] Re: Decision of WLM in Ukraine organizers not to submit photos for the international round
Dear Olga and WLM Ukraine - your work is impressive and your efforts to bring visibility and point to issues with WLM in 2022 are also. I can empathize with the feeling one gets when others are benevolent to recognize and act on what seems obvious *(as someone who experienced war aggression in all of my homelands, first SFR Yugoslavia, then Croatia and Bosnia & Herzegovina. I do agree that the WLM 2022 international team should not process Russian photos in a competitive way against Ukrainians and I wish this was raised as an issue more publicly. WLM had issues also before with inertia and no capacity and/or good will to recognize problems on national levels. Here I agree with Peter on* no good options *but this is no excuse for not exploring good-enough or better-than options! I am hopeful that your work will sustain and that soon enough you will inform and inspire systemic change in Wikimedia. Meanwhile I hope WMF can practically support your work at least with material resources to reduce some of the hardships. In solidarity - Z. Blace ___ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list To unsubscribe send an email to wikilovesmonuments-le...@lists.wikimedia.org http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
[Wiki Loves Monuments] Re: Decision of WLM in Ukraine organizers not to submit photos for the international round
Congratulations, WLM-UA team. That's a shocking achievement, given the current situation that Ukraine is going through! May 2023 be a *much* happier year for Ukraine, with all the other countries having to suffer their participants no longer having more pressing concerns than snapping beautiful pics. (I'm sadly aware the war consequences are unlikely to disappear so easily, but one may dream...) Love, Platonides ___ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list To unsubscribe send an email to wikilovesmonuments-le...@lists.wikimedia.org http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
[Wiki Loves Monuments] Re: Decision of WLM in Ukraine organizers not to submit photos for the international round
My opinion may not be worth much as I was not involved at all this year in WLM, but I was an organizer for Romania between 2011-2015 and a contributor in several other years. I support you 100%, I would do the same. On Tue, 13 Dec 2022, 6:46 pm Olga Milianovych, < olga.milianov...@wikimedia.org.ua> wrote: > Hi all, > > On behalf of the organizing team for Wiki Loves Monuments in Ukraine I’m > writing to inform you of our decision not to submit photos for the > international round. > > Traditionally, Wiki Loves Monuments in Ukraine has been one of the biggest > WLM local contests in the world, as well as among the biggest projects > supported by Wikimedia Ukraine. > > This year, Ukraine and subsequently the contest has suffered from Russia’s > full-scale invasion. Particularly, for security reasons the organizers had > to limit submissions only to photos taken before February 24th, 2022, which > is the date when Russia openly invaded Ukraine. > > Despite the limitations, we managed to organize the contest in 2022 and > attract almost 14,000 photos of Ukrainian cultural heritage from almost 300 > participants. They illustrate over 5,300 monuments, including 351 monuments > depicted for the first time. > > However, the local organizers will not be submitting Ukrainian photos for > the international round because of the international organizers’ decisions > to accept photos from Russia on the international stage. To be clear, we do > not support this decision and had asked the international team not to > accept Russian photos in the international round. > > While we fully support the spread of free knowledge in various forms, we > believe that it is not appropriate to promote on the international level > photos from the country that wages a brutal war against Ukraine, kills > thousands of Ukrainians – and systematically destroys and steals Ukrainian > cultural, architectural and archaeological monuments. > > Besides, Russia’s war has deprived Ukrainian photos of equal conditions in > the competition. While daily life in Russia continues largely as normal, > Ukrainian photographers have had to operate in extremely difficult > conditions and under many limitations – both the formal ones imposed for > security reasons and the overall situation in Ukraine (power blackouts, > problems with internet connectivity, personal hardship etc.) > > Therefore, we cannot accept Ukrainian photos competing alongside Russian > ones – we do not think that in current circumstances it is the right thing > to announce which Ukrainian photos are better and which are worse than > Russian ones. > > We are grateful to Ukrainian participants and volunteers who have made the > contest possible this year against the odds, as well as to international > organizers for their hard work in supporting the largest photo contest in > the Wikimedia ecosystem. > > Best regards, > Olga Milianovych > Member of the organizing committee for Wiki Loves Monuments in Ukraine > > (Disclaimer: Antanana is a member of the Wiki Loves Monuments Ukraine > organizing committee. Due to her currently serving on the Wikimedia > Foundation Board of Trustees she recused herself from taking part in > discussions and making decisions on this topic). > ___ > Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list > To unsubscribe send an email to > wikilovesmonuments-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org ___ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list To unsubscribe send an email to wikilovesmonuments-le...@lists.wikimedia.org http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
[Wiki Loves Monuments] Re: Decision of WLM in Ukraine organizers not to submit photos for the international round
I appreciate this and the extraordinary photos of Ukrainian heritage that came out of past years' contests, one of the fruits of which is sitting on my wall. ❤️啕⚡, SJ On Tue, Dec 13, 2022, 10:46 AM Olga Milianovych < olga.milianov...@wikimedia.org.ua> wrote: > Hi all, > > On behalf of the organizing team for Wiki Loves Monuments in Ukraine I’m > writing to inform you of our decision not to submit photos for the > international round. > > Traditionally, Wiki Loves Monuments in Ukraine has been one of the biggest > WLM local contests in the world, as well as among the biggest projects > supported by Wikimedia Ukraine. > > This year, Ukraine and subsequently the contest has suffered from Russia’s > full-scale invasion. Particularly, for security reasons the organizers had > to limit submissions only to photos taken before February 24th, 2022, which > is the date when Russia openly invaded Ukraine. > > Despite the limitations, we managed to organize the contest in 2022 and > attract almost 14,000 photos of Ukrainian cultural heritage from almost 300 > participants. They illustrate over 5,300 monuments, including 351 monuments > depicted for the first time. > > However, the local organizers will not be submitting Ukrainian photos for > the international round because of the international organizers’ decisions > to accept photos from Russia on the international stage. To be clear, we do > not support this decision and had asked the international team not to > accept Russian photos in the international round. > > While we fully support the spread of free knowledge in various forms, we > believe that it is not appropriate to promote on the international level > photos from the country that wages a brutal war against Ukraine, kills > thousands of Ukrainians – and systematically destroys and steals Ukrainian > cultural, architectural and archaeological monuments. > > Besides, Russia’s war has deprived Ukrainian photos of equal conditions in > the competition. While daily life in Russia continues largely as normal, > Ukrainian photographers have had to operate in extremely difficult > conditions and under many limitations – both the formal ones imposed for > security reasons and the overall situation in Ukraine (power blackouts, > problems with internet connectivity, personal hardship etc.) > > Therefore, we cannot accept Ukrainian photos competing alongside Russian > ones – we do not think that in current circumstances it is the right thing > to announce which Ukrainian photos are better and which are worse than > Russian ones. > > We are grateful to Ukrainian participants and volunteers who have made the > contest possible this year against the odds, as well as to international > organizers for their hard work in supporting the largest photo contest in > the Wikimedia ecosystem. > > Best regards, > Olga Milianovych > Member of the organizing committee for Wiki Loves Monuments in Ukraine > > (Disclaimer: Antanana is a member of the Wiki Loves Monuments Ukraine > organizing committee. Due to her currently serving on the Wikimedia > Foundation Board of Trustees she recused herself from taking part in > discussions and making decisions on this topic). > ___ > Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list > To unsubscribe send an email to > wikilovesmonuments-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org ___ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list To unsubscribe send an email to wikilovesmonuments-le...@lists.wikimedia.org http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
