Re: [Wikimedia-l] Are chapters part of the community and board seats for affiliates?

[Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton]

Two things, one is, I do not know why these discussions are not held in a Wiki
( ie meta), which is easier to document and much easier to follow.

The second point:

I think the chapters are a significant part of the community, however, as only
one part, the chapters can not, should not speak for the whole. Thus,
it is interesting
to have people with most varied visions, perhaps because chapter people is
not interesting some kind of group, but for others from the Movement, that
affiliation is What they need. More than that, if you only choose people of
the chapters, you will never have different visions, so you always forced, in
a way, that group fits in your reality, or be like a "European" chapter.


observations


   - If there is doubt as what's the chapter role in the Movement, how can
   we know what is a chapter? Why is there so much energy lost in
   bureaucracies, rather than focusing on activities? Chapters are
made to perform
   activities? If yes, so why not prioritize the best local structures for
   this to occur? If not, why choose people from chapter to decide about
   other types of groups that only will do activities?
   - Why AffCom discussions are closed, since you are not the whole
   community? Why need to be so few people, and so obscure? Why not follow the
   other current processes and make openings for communities?
   - If a chapter is something that is done to serve the needs of online
   communities, and people of the chapters make decisions without
consulting these
   communities, without discussing the annual planning, or strategic
   planning with these communities, how can they accomplish what online
   communities want? And thinking in that, how they will those who is the
   best group for affiliation for the communities?



On 23 February 2013 15:48, Federico Leva (Nemo)  wrote:

> I see some fundamental misunderstandings here, which make this discussion
> so far not so productive and for which I am/was planning a reply...
> however, in the end I doubt I'd manage to say it better than Anthere:
> http://article.gmane.org/**gmane.org.wikimedia.**foundation/6652
>
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>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] License issue on GPL and CC-by-sa mix up

[Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton]

Why We don't change your license in pages that gonna receive this content?
(I know this is not the best license ever made, but why always the other
need to be adapt to us, not the opposite?)

On 23 February 2013 17:39, David Gerard  wrote:

> On 23 February 2013 20:29, Platonides  wrote:
>
> > There are a few cases where sharealike licenses include provisions for
> > compatible licenses. Sadly, the license owners don't seem too interested
> > in advacing in that front.
>
>
> Not completely, to be fair - e.g. GFDL 1.3 including a
> port-to-CC-by-sa option *just for us* - but it does take considerable
> work and negotiation.
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Improving the knowledge about the Movement

[Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton]

I totally agree, But why you are doing this under the WCA wing?

Why not meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:About chapters, for example.

Or better:
en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikimedia Movement/Chapters/Data or About or Getting
Deeper

??


On 23 February 2013 21:01, Ziko van Dijk  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> In accordance with some suggestions from the London conference, I have
> started a section on the WCA/Reseach page on Meta Wiki. The Wikimedia
> Movement needs more information about itself, and I would very much
> appreciate if you could take a look at the page:
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Chapters_Association/Research
> Kind regards
> Ziko
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] License issue on GPL and CC-by-sa mix up

[Tomasz Ganicz]

2013/2/24 Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton :
> Why We don't change your license in pages that gonna receive this content?
> (I know this is not the best license ever made, but why always the other
> need to be adapt to us, not the opposite?)
>

Using GPL license for textual content hardly make any sense... It puts
users to a kind of uncertainty what he/she really can do with it as
the license does not contain explanation what is allowed to do with
content, which is not a piece of software. Open wiki textual content
has to be uniformly licensed as every edit is from legal POV creation
of derivative work of previous version.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] License issue on GPL and CC-by-sa mix up

[Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton]

Ok, I really understand that, but with they those GFDL? What we can do?


On 24 February 2013 06:54, Tomasz Ganicz  wrote:

> 2013/2/24 Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton :
> > Why We don't change your license in pages that gonna receive this
> content?
> > (I know this is not the best license ever made, but why always the other
> > need to be adapt to us, not the opposite?)
> >
>
> Using GPL license for textual content hardly make any sense... It puts
> users to a kind of uncertainty what he/she really can do with it as
> the license does not contain explanation what is allowed to do with
> content, which is not a piece of software. Open wiki textual content
> has to be uniformly licensed as every edit is from legal POV creation
> of derivative work of previous version.
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Are chapters part of the community and board seats for affiliates?

[Balázs Viczián]

Maybe I wasn't clear enough, imo chapters are NOT part of the communities
(nor the global community), just a tool for them to achieve certain goals
that otherwise would be much more difficult or (almost) impossible to reach.

Balázs
2013.02.24. 10:34, "Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton" 
ezt írta:

> Two things, one is, I do not know why these discussions are not held in a
> Wiki
> ( ie meta), which is easier to document and much easier to follow.
>
> The second point:
>
> I think the chapters are a significant part of the community, however, as
> only
> one part, the chapters can not, should not speak for the whole. Thus,
> it is interesting
> to have people with most varied visions, perhaps because chapter people is
> not interesting some kind of group, but for others from the Movement, that
> affiliation is What they need. More than that, if you only choose people of
> the chapters, you will never have different visions, so you always forced,
> in
> a way, that group fits in your reality, or be like a "European" chapter.
>
>
> observations
>
>
>- If there is doubt as what's the chapter role in the Movement, how can
>we know what is a chapter? Why is there so much energy lost in
>bureaucracies, rather than focusing on activities? Chapters are
> made to perform
>activities? If yes, so why not prioritize the best local structures for
>this to occur? If not, why choose people from chapter to decide about
>other types of groups that only will do activities?
>- Why AffCom discussions are closed, since you are not the whole
>community? Why need to be so few people, and so obscure? Why not follow
> the
>other current processes and make openings for communities?
>- If a chapter is something that is done to serve the needs of online
>communities, and people of the chapters make decisions without
> consulting these
>communities, without discussing the annual planning, or strategic
>planning with these communities, how can they accomplish what online
>communities want? And thinking in that, how they will those who is the
>best group for affiliation for the communities?
>
>
>
> On 23 February 2013 15:48, Federico Leva (Nemo) 
> wrote:
>
> > I see some fundamental misunderstandings here, which make this discussion
> > so far not so productive and for which I am/was planning a reply...
> > however, in the end I doubt I'd manage to say it better than Anthere:
> > http://article.gmane.org/**gmane.org.wikimedia.**foundation/6652<
> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.foundation/6652>
> >
> > Nemo
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Are chapters part of the community and board seats for affiliates?

[Fae]

On 24 February 2013 10:27, Balázs Viczián  wrote:
> Maybe I wasn't clear enough, imo chapters are NOT part of the communities
> (nor the global community), just a tool for them to achieve certain goals
> that otherwise would be much more difficult or (almost) impossible to reach.

+1

With the logical extension that so are AffCom, the FDC, the WCA, the
WMF ... If these tools become ineffective, then we should look again
at what we (the movement) need in our tool box. Indeed I believe we
have been doing precisely that by creating the FDC and the WCA in the
last two years and the WMF has strategically been 'narrowing focus'.

As an unpaid volunteer and thus with no vested interest, I would be
perfectly happy with a completely new and improved tool box for
Christmas. It is only human nature that it is much, much harder to see
the world this way and accept change, when your employment may depend
on the existing tools.

Thanks,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Are chapters part of the community and board seats for affiliates?

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

Balázs Viczián, 24/02/2013 11:27:

Maybe I wasn't clear enough, imo chapters are NOT part of the communities
(nor the global community), just a tool for them to achieve certain goals
that otherwise would be much more difficult or (almost) impossible to reach.


Here we are, this is one of the things I wanted to point out (maybe one 
by one it's easier): a "chapter" is not a person, of course it's not a 
"community member"... but (IMHO) *of course* chapter members are 
Wikimedia community members.
Logical consequence: the "chapter" meant as "set of the chapter members" 
is a subset of the community and hence a "part of the community".


The /structure/ of the chapter (assembly, board, president, ...) may 
work well or not, "represent" some obscure interests of the chapter 
members or not, further the (mysterious) "interests" of "the"* community 
at large or not, etc. etc. etc. But that's an entirely different matter.


Nemo

(*) If you don't understand the quotes here, please read Anthere's 
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.foundation/6652 again.


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[Wikimedia-l] Proposal for adopting OmegaWiki

[Chris Tophe]

Hi all,

Please take some time to read the proposal for adopting OmegaWiki
( proposal: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/OmegaWiki ),
and give some comments and/or indicate your support at
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Adopt_OmegaWiki

OmegaWiki ( http://www.omegawiki.org ) is a project for storing
multilingual lexical information in a relational database.

Thank you,
Christophe (aka Kip)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Are chapters part of the community and board seats for affiliates?

[Fae]

On 24 February 2013 11:14, Federico Leva (Nemo)  wrote:
> Balázs Viczián, 24/02/2013 11:27:
>
>> Maybe I wasn't clear enough, imo chapters are NOT part of the communities
>> (nor the global community), just a tool for them to achieve certain goals
>> that otherwise would be much more difficult or (almost) impossible to
>> reach.
>
> Here we are, this is one of the things I wanted to point out (maybe one by
> one it's easier): a "chapter" is not a person, of course it's not a
> "community member"... but (IMHO) *of course* chapter members are Wikimedia
> community members.
> Logical consequence: the "chapter" meant as "set of the chapter members" is
> a subset of the community and hence a "part of the community".
>
> The /structure/ of the chapter (assembly, board, president, ...) may work
> well or not, "represent" some obscure interests of the chapter members or
> not, further the (mysterious) "interests" of "the"* community at large or
> not, etc. etc. etc. But that's an entirely different matter.
>
> Nemo

Yes, organizations are composed of people and those people that
contribute to Chapters are part of the community. However the point
being made, I think, was that these organizations we create together
are just tools to achieve a desirable outcome. If we don't understand
or cannot measure the outcome, then the tool is not fit for purpose.
This does not mean that we abandon the people involved, we just might
re-form the organization or change its scope and priorities to create
a new tool.

In my case, as a volunteer, I was democratically elected to be a
charity trustee for the UK Chapter and I was elected to be the
Chairperson for the Chapters Association. This gives me an unenviable
responsibility to not only represent that part of the community that
wanted to vote for me to fulfil these roles, but also to consider the
views of the wider movement. Conceptually I am much happier with the
idea that we have community members that are pushed forward to help
provide a voice in decision making or trusted with administrative
tasks (such as the burden of being a signatory to the bank account or
interviewing staff and contractors), rather than the idea that the
voter supports a particular bureaucracy or the fine wording of a
particular role definition.

In summary, I would say our community (at least that subset interested
in how donated funds are best deployed, rather than getting on with
the real business of getting elbow deep in creating open knowledge
content) votes for the outcomes and priorities they would like to see,
rather than the organizations of the moment and the transient roles
within them.

Cheers,
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[Wikimedia-l] Term limits for WMF board members?

[Alice Wiegand]

Hi everybody,
as proposed the Board discussed the issue of term limits at its last
meeting in San Francisco. You find the outcome on Meta:

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Democratizing_the_Wikimedia_Foundation#Result_of_the_Board.27s_discussion_about_term_limits


Alice Wiegand
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[Wikimedia-l] volunteers who don't know about opportunities

[Sumana Harihareswara]

> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 07:31:59 +0800
> From: Josh Lim 
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Are chapters part of the community and
>   board   seats for affiliates?
> Message-ID: <56a3c552-d6ed-47ba-8ea2-e56f9a1b8...@yahoo.com>
> 
> On Feb 23, 2013, at 4:27 AM, Fae  wrote:
> 
>> The vast majority of volunteers like the idea that there is a Chapter
>> they can turn to to ask for help, or to get their idea for a project
>> reviewed, funded and looking "official". If a volunteer came to a
>> wikimeet with a brilliant idea for a project, but said they could not
>> stand the stupid bureaucracy of chapters, I'd say "excellent mate, you
>> go for it and I'll see what I can do to help with funding if you need
>> it."
> 
> I'm inclined to believe that bureaucracy exists despite, not because of, 
> chapters.  As it is, volunteers, especially those from the Global South, can 
> be classified into two types:
> 
> 1. They're "detached": they're part of the community, but they don't know 
> about the support options open to them
> 2. They're so involved in the community, they could care less about the 
> "bureaucracy" (in my university, this is called "going down the hill", as my 
> university is on a hill)
> 
> Chapters aside, I'm in fact curious to know how many volunteers do know about 
> the Foundation's grants system, or the research program, or heck, Wikimedia 
> User Groups or Wikimania scholarships.  Granted, it's a good thing that 
> volunteers have options open for them whether or not they want to deal with 
> the bureaucracy, but it's all for nought if they're left unaware of those 
> options.
> 
> Josh
> 
> JAMES JOSHUA G. LIM

I just wanted to follow up on this and reinforce Josh Lim's point.

Yesterday, I spent several hours chatting with volunteers, seasoned and
new, at the Wikipedia Day that the New York City chapter put together:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wikipedia_Day (thank
you, volunteers of New York City!).  I was dismayed at how few people
knew about the Participation Support subsidies that they could apply for
to help them do outreach (more on that & related opportunities at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Start ).

In my role helping MediaWiki sysadmins and developers, I often ask
whether they've heard of our conferences, our paid internships, our
online events, and so on.  More and more of the undergraduate students
have heard of Google Summer of Code
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2013 , but graduate
students often don't know that they're eligible, and students in North
America and Europe often haven't heard of it.

I don't know the answer.  Like Josh, I don't know how well our publicity
about these things is penetrating our volunteer communities, and I don't
know what level of penetration I would be satisfied with.  I suspect
that others have better answers regarding what we've tried, what works,
and what we're doing next, and I'd love to hear them.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Info: Election for WCA Chairperson

[Fae]

Hi,

The schedule of election for the Chapters Association Council Chair
has been announced at


The schedule is:
Nominations open midnight (UTC) on Monday 25 February 2013.
Nominations close midnight on Monday 4 March 2013 and voting is opened.
Voting closes midnight Monday 11 March 2013.

Note that all 21 Council members will be eligible to vote, including
those that stand for election. In a heavily contested election,
expecting nominated candidates to refrain from voting would not be
workable.

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[Wikimedia-l] 2014 calendar of POTY 2012 top twelve

[ENWP Pine]

(: A 2014 calendar of the top twelve from the 2012 POTY contest 
would be a great addition to the Wikimedia shop!


Pine
  
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2014 calendar of POTY 2012 top twelve

[Mono]

It's coming. Stay tuned. Get notified.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2012/Calendar

Thanks,
User:Mono



On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 11:16 PM, ENWP Pine  wrote:

>
>
>
> (: A 2014 calendar of the top twelve from the 2012 POTY contest
> would be a great addition to the Wikimedia shop!
>
>
> Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2014 calendar of POTY 2012 top twelve

[James Alexander]

heh,

Yes :) this is in the works. The current plan is that it would likely
launch around Wikimania with 2014 + a couple months of 2013 (perhaps
October - December).

James

James Alexander
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Wikimedia Foundation
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On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Mono  wrote:

> It's coming. Stay tuned. Get notified.
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2012/Calendar
>
> Thanks,
> User:Mono
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 11:16 PM, ENWP Pine 
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > (: A 2014 calendar of the top twelve from the 2012 POTY contest
> > would be a great addition to the Wikimedia shop!
> >
> >
> > Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Info: Election for WCA Chairperson

[Jan-Bart de Vreede]

Hi All,

Not to be incredibly mean about this, but how about giving a vote to all 
chapters approved by the AffCom, rather than just the members? I know you are 
looking at the membership model and trying to see if it will work for you, but 
this sort of limits your options and perpetuates the feeling that you are not 
representing cooperation between ALL the chapters...

Jan-Bart


On Feb 24, 2013, at 2:29 PM, Fae  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> The schedule of election for the Chapters Association Council Chair
> has been announced at
> 
> 
> The schedule is:
>Nominations open midnight (UTC) on Monday 25 February 2013.
>Nominations close midnight on Monday 4 March 2013 and voting is opened.
>Voting closes midnight Monday 11 March 2013.
> 
> Note that all 21 Council members will be eligible to vote, including
> those that stand for election. In a heavily contested election,
> expecting nominated candidates to refrain from voting would not be
> workable.
> 
> Thanks,
> Fae
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Info: Election for WCA Chairperson

[Thomas Dalton]

If chapters won't to be involved, why don't they join? I don't think there
is even a plan to charge membership fees yet, so what have they got to lose?
On Feb 25, 2013 12:35 AM, "Jan-Bart de Vreede" 
wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Not to be incredibly mean about this, but how about giving a vote to all
> chapters approved by the AffCom, rather than just the members? I know you
> are looking at the membership model and trying to see if it will work for
> you, but this sort of limits your options and perpetuates the feeling that
> you are not representing cooperation between ALL the chapters...
>
> Jan-Bart
>
>
> On Feb 24, 2013, at 2:29 PM, Fae  wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > The schedule of election for the Chapters Association Council Chair
> > has been announced at
> > <
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Chapters_Association/Elections/2013_Chair
> >
> >
> > The schedule is:
> >Nominations open midnight (UTC) on Monday 25 February 2013.
> >Nominations close midnight on Monday 4 March 2013 and voting is
> opened.
> >Voting closes midnight Monday 11 March 2013.
> >
> > Note that all 21 Council members will be eligible to vote, including
> > those that stand for election. In a heavily contested election,
> > expecting nominated candidates to refrain from voting would not be
> > workable.
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Info: Election for WCA Chairperson

[Jan-Bart de Vreede]

So I would not dare speak for the specific chapters, but I gather some of them 
did not want to join simply because they did not like the membership model. So 
it might be good to open things up the other way around :)

Jan-Bart

On Feb 24, 2013, at 4:39 PM, Thomas Dalton  wrote:

> If chapters won't to be involved, why don't they join? I don't think there
> is even a plan to charge membership fees yet, so what have they got to lose?
> On Feb 25, 2013 12:35 AM, "Jan-Bart de Vreede" 
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> Not to be incredibly mean about this, but how about giving a vote to all
>> chapters approved by the AffCom, rather than just the members? I know you
>> are looking at the membership model and trying to see if it will work for
>> you, but this sort of limits your options and perpetuates the feeling that
>> you are not representing cooperation between ALL the chapters...
>> 
>> Jan-Bart
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 24, 2013, at 2:29 PM, Fae  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> The schedule of election for the Chapters Association Council Chair
>>> has been announced at
>>> <
>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Chapters_Association/Elections/2013_Chair
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The schedule is:
>>>   Nominations open midnight (UTC) on Monday 25 February 2013.
>>>   Nominations close midnight on Monday 4 March 2013 and voting is
>> opened.
>>>   Voting closes midnight Monday 11 March 2013.
>>> 
>>> Note that all 21 Council members will be eligible to vote, including
>>> those that stand for election. In a heavily contested election,
>>> expecting nominated candidates to refrain from voting would not be
>>> workable.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Fae
>>> --
>>> Ashley Van Haeften (Fae) fae...@gmail.com
>>> Chapters Association Council Chair http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WCA
>>> Guide to email tags: http://j.mp/mfae
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Are chapters part of the community and board seats for affiliates?

[Benjamin Lees]

On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 12:42 PM, cyrano  wrote:

> Why not distinguish the community seats from the Chapters seats with the
> terms "community seats" and " Chapters seats"?
> Using the word community in both cases may induce to believe that's it's
> the same community with two branches. But nothing guarantees that unity.
>

They are differentiated in the bylaws: you have "Community-selected
Trustees" and "Chapter-selected Trustees".  Indeed, the bylaw changes in
2008 make it clear that the chapter-selected seats are not regarded as
being selected by the community.[0]


On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 6:14 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:

> Here we are, this is one of the things I wanted to point out (maybe one by
> one it's easier): a "chapter" is not a person, of course it's not a
> "community member"... but (IMHO) *of course* chapter members are Wikimedia
> community members.
> Logical consequence: the "chapter" meant as "set of the chapter members"
> is a subset of the community and hence a "part of the community".
>

Most of the people on the WMF board (well, all of them, at the moment) are
community members too. :-)


[0]
https://wikimediafoundation.org/w/index.php?title=Bylaws&diff=28280&oldid=28279Note
that "
The majority of the Board shall be elected or appointed from within the
community." was changed to "A majority of the Board Trustee positions,
other than the Community Founder Trustee position, shall be selected or
appointed from the community and the chapters."
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Info: Election for WCA Chairperson

[Newyorkbrad]

Although I'm pretty much a complete outsider to this process, and so my
opinion may be discounted accordingly, this schedule for voting may be a
little bit too expedited to be optimal. I'm especially concerned that only
one week is allotted between the close of nominations and the close of
voting. To the extent that a given member might wish to decide his or her
vote through consultation with his or her chapter -- through internal
discussion and consensus or a vote of the chapter board members or all the
chapter's members, on a mailing list or at a chapter meeting -- I'm not
sure one week is a long enough period in which all chapters can do so.

I understand there are reasons to want to move ahead expeditiously with
this election, so I'm not calling for delay for the sake of delay; on the
other hand, allowing a bit more time might be in order.

Regards,
Newyorkbrad

On Sunday, February 24, 2013, Fae  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The schedule of election for the Chapters Association Council Chair
> has been announced at
> <
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Chapters_Association/Elections/2013_Chair
>
>
> The schedule is:
> Nominations open midnight (UTC) on Monday 25 February 2013.
> Nominations close midnight on Monday 4 March 2013 and voting is
opened.
> Voting closes midnight Monday 11 March 2013.
>
> Note that all 21 Council members will be eligible to vote, including
> those that stand for election. In a heavily contested election,
> expecting nominated candidates to refrain from voting would not be
> workable.
>
> Thanks,
> Fae
> --
> Ashley Van Haeften (Fae) fae...@gmail.com
> Chapters Association Council Chair http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WCA
> Guide to email tags: http://j.mp/mfae
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