Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Ellie Young as Conference Coordinator

[Peter Southwood]

Quite agree about the lack of benefits for most of the population. The Cape 
Town stadium is now a large burden on the ratepayers as they built it in one 
of the most inappropriate places for functionality. It is now a virtually 
unused and unusable monument to corruption, greed and stupidity, but it 
doesn't look like anyone is likely to gain by the lesson except the corrupt.

Cheers,
Peter in Cape Town
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Wikimania in Brazil in 2015, so no problems. ;)

And, yeah, some strange sport...


On 29 March 2013 20:09, Everton Zanella Alvarenga <
everton.alvare...@okfn.org> wrote:


[off-topic]


2013/3/29 Matthew Roth 
>
> I hear 2014 will be a very busy year in Brasil
> Some sport thing with a ball and a large green pitch :)

Yeah, we are going to have the world cup, where millions and millions
of reais (our currency) is going to corrupts to an event that lasts
only a few days and only high middle class to rich people (and
foreigners, hey!) will have access to.

And silly people believe in the silly arguments of economical benefits
from this crap. Just hace a look at South Africa case. :(

Fortunately, I hope I will stay far from Brazil to don't see this,
because only who live here and use Brazilian public services (I am not
mentioneing the blind middle class) will see the consequences in the
mid and long term of so much corruption.

Hopefully hotels will be so expensive that Wikimania here won't be
sustainable.

Tom

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Ellie Young as Conference Coordinator

[Béria Lima]

[still in the off-topic]

*Hopefully hotels will be so expensive that Wikimania here won't be
> sustainable*.
>

Don't need to hope no more, hotels in Rio are *already* expensive because
of the World Cup renovations (is impossible to get a hotel in Rio for less
than 100 USD/night) and I do believe the price will double in 2014 and only
drop after 2016 (after yet another "let's-rob-the-people-and-impress-
foreigners" event)

_
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*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a
construir esse sonho. *


On 29 March 2013 20:09, Everton Zanella Alvarenga <
everton.alvare...@okfn.org> wrote:

> [off-topic]
>
>
> 2013/3/29 Matthew Roth 
> >
> > I hear 2014 will be a very busy year in Brasil
> > Some sport thing with a ball and a large green pitch :)
>
> Yeah, we are going to have the world cup, where millions and millions
> of reais (our currency) is going to corrupts to an event that lasts
> only a few days and only high middle class to rich people (and
> foreigners, hey!) will have access to.
>
> And silly people believe in the silly arguments of economical benefits
> from this crap. Just hace a look at South Africa case. :(
>
> Fortunately, I hope I will stay far from Brazil to don't see this,
> because only who live here and use Brazilian public services (I am not
> mentioneing the blind middle class) will see the consequences in the
> mid and long term of so much corruption.
>
> Hopefully hotels will be so expensive that Wikimania here won't be
> sustainable.
>
> Tom
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Adopt a page"

[Thomas Morton]

It's a weird dichotomy.

I've spent several hundred quid on source material for my current topic
area. I could easily have spent several grand.

Paid editing is a major issue, because it conflicts with our culture

But if someone were able to buy my sources then it would be of huge
benefit.

And, controversially, if someone could fund me one day a week to write
these articles I could likely expand from one GA per month to covering this
entire field in GAs in a year.

Without that it will take me a good five years

I've come recently to see that funding article work is not inherently an
awful thing. But it needs to be done with extreme care to protect our
ideals and neutrality. And that is a HARD problem.

Tom

On Saturday, March 30, 2013, Thomas Dalton wrote:

> On Mar 30, 2013 1:04 AM, "Mono" > wrote:
> >
> > How so?
>
> It would be completely against our culture. Wikipedia is a volunteer
> written encyclopedia.
>
> You would end up with a two-tier system of paid editors and unpaid editors.
> There would inevitably be a lot of conflict between those groups. The whole
> concept would be extremely divisive.
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[Wikimedia-l] Crisis of conscience Fwd: [REA]

[Everton Zanella Alvarenga]

Good example.


-- Forwarded message --
From: Barbara Dieu 
Date: 2013/3/27
Subject: [REA] Crisis of conscience
To: rea-li...@googlegroups.com


Entire library journal editorial board resigns, citing 'crisis of
conscience' after death of Aaron Swartz

In a dramatic show of support for the open access movement, the
editor-in-chief and entire editorial board of the Journal of Library
Administration announced their resignation last week. In a letter to
contributors, the board singled out a conflict with owners over the
journal's licensing terms, which stripped authors of almost all claim
to ownership of their work.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/26/4149752/library-journal-resigns-for-open-access-citing-aaron-swartz

Um abc
B.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Adopt a page"

[Thomas Dalton]

On Mar 30, 2013 1:04 AM, "Mono"  wrote:
>
> How so?

It would be completely against our culture. Wikipedia is a volunteer
written encyclopedia.

You would end up with a two-tier system of paid editors and unpaid editors.
There would inevitably be a lot of conflict between those groups. The whole
concept would be extremely divisive.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Adopt a page"

[Mono]

How so?


On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote:

> On Mar 30, 2013 12:55 AM, "Mono"  wrote:
> >
> > Yes, but it might be nice if we could let people pay trusted editors to
> > improve articles (without a COI and with a NPOV) that normally wouldn't
> get
> > attention.
>
> Would that be nice? I think that would be very harmful...
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Adopt a page"

[Thomas Dalton]

On Mar 30, 2013 12:55 AM, "Mono"  wrote:
>
> Yes, but it might be nice if we could let people pay trusted editors to
> improve articles (without a COI and with a NPOV) that normally wouldn't
get
> attention.

Would that be nice? I think that would be very harmful...
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Adopt a page"

[Mono]

Yes, but it might be nice if we could let people pay trusted editors to
improve articles (without a COI and with a NPOV) that normally wouldn't get
attention.


On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Deryck Chan wrote:

> Because we've decided that [[WP:Ownership of articles]] is wrong, and
> wronger if there's financial sponsorship involved.
>
> On 29 March 2013 22:36, Strainu  wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've just seen an OTRS ticket asking why isn't Wikipedia giving its
> > pages for "adoption" (like when you adopt a page and your name ends up
> > on its cage or something like that). I've moved the ticket to the
> > donations queue, but I was wondering if this has ever been
> > discussed/considered before.
> >
> > Thanks,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Ellie Young as Conference Coordinator

[Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton]

Wikimania in Brazil in 2015, so no problems. ;)

And, yeah, some strange sport...


On 29 March 2013 20:09, Everton Zanella Alvarenga <
everton.alvare...@okfn.org> wrote:

> [off-topic]
>
>
> 2013/3/29 Matthew Roth 
> >
> > I hear 2014 will be a very busy year in Brasil
> > Some sport thing with a ball and a large green pitch :)
>
> Yeah, we are going to have the world cup, where millions and millions
> of reais (our currency) is going to corrupts to an event that lasts
> only a few days and only high middle class to rich people (and
> foreigners, hey!) will have access to.
>
> And silly people believe in the silly arguments of economical benefits
> from this crap. Just hace a look at South Africa case. :(
>
> Fortunately, I hope I will stay far from Brazil to don't see this,
> because only who live here and use Brazilian public services (I am not
> mentioneing the blind middle class) will see the consequences in the
> mid and long term of so much corruption.
>
> Hopefully hotels will be so expensive that Wikimania here won't be
> sustainable.
>
> Tom
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Adopt a page"

[Deryck Chan]

Because we've decided that [[WP:Ownership of articles]] is wrong, and
wronger if there's financial sponsorship involved.

On 29 March 2013 22:36, Strainu  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I've just seen an OTRS ticket asking why isn't Wikipedia giving its
> pages for "adoption" (like when you adopt a page and your name ends up
> on its cage or something like that). I've moved the ticket to the
> donations queue, but I was wondering if this has ever been
> discussed/considered before.
>
> Thanks,
>Strainu
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Ellie Young as Conference Coordinator

[Everton Zanella Alvarenga]

[off-topic]


2013/3/29 Matthew Roth 
>
> I hear 2014 will be a very busy year in Brasil
> Some sport thing with a ball and a large green pitch :)

Yeah, we are going to have the world cup, where millions and millions
of reais (our currency) is going to corrupts to an event that lasts
only a few days and only high middle class to rich people (and
foreigners, hey!) will have access to.

And silly people believe in the silly arguments of economical benefits
from this crap. Just hace a look at South Africa case. :(

Fortunately, I hope I will stay far from Brazil to don't see this,
because only who live here and use Brazilian public services (I am not
mentioneing the blind middle class) will see the consequences in the
mid and long term of so much corruption.

Hopefully hotels will be so expensive that Wikimania here won't be sustainable.

Tom

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Adopt a page"

[Thomas Dalton]

Where would their name go? If it's anywhere more prominent than the names
of the volunteers that wrote the article (which anything on the article
page itself would be) then it doesn't really seem fair...
On Mar 29, 2013 10:37 PM, "Strainu"  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I've just seen an OTRS ticket asking why isn't Wikipedia giving its
> pages for "adoption" (like when you adopt a page and your name ends up
> on its cage or something like that). I've moved the ticket to the
> donations queue, but I was wondering if this has ever been
> discussed/considered before.
>
> Thanks,
>Strainu
>
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[Wikimedia-l] "Adopt a page"

[Strainu]

Hi,

I've just seen an OTRS ticket asking why isn't Wikipedia giving its
pages for "adoption" (like when you adopt a page and your name ends up
on its cage or something like that). I've moved the ticket to the
donations queue, but I was wondering if this has ever been
discussed/considered before.

Thanks,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hour inside out (program evaluation)

[Fae]

On 29 March 2013 19:22, Balázs Viczián  wrote:

> I'd rather be interested in how do you measure _success_ (this question is
> for everybody)
>

By hard outcomes measured against the original project goals.

Turning that around - projects should not be funded without defined
measurable goals, and good governance reviews would halt funding for a
project that stops regularly reporting against the agreed goals.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Ellie Young as Conference Coordinator

[Isarra Yos]

One needn't stick around to establish and maintain a working framework 
for such - continuity and knowledge-transfer sounds rather like 
consistency and maintainability of code, where if it is well set up and 
documented anyone can reasonably pick up where someone else left off.


So to ensure that there is continuity between events from year to year, 
the important thing would be the framework and that what was done gets 
written down - and in an organised and consistent fashion. That way 
never mind who it is in this position, the future organisers should 
still be able to find stuff from previous events as well, pick up where 
others left off, and continue from there.


On 29/03/13 02:06, Everton Zanella Alvarenga wrote:

Good point, Florence.

Is it like if we hired someone for a education position to work during
one school term for only 6 months.

Tom

On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 10:37 PM, Florence Devouard  wrote:

Welcome again Ellie

A question came to my mind when I read the description of the job.

- making sure there is good continuity and knowledge-transfer as the
conference moves to new hosts year-over-year.

Yet, she is taking on the role as an annual contract.

Is there not a contradiction here ?

Flo






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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Ellie Young as Conference Coordinator

[Matthew Roth]

I hear 2014 will be a very busy year in Brasil
Some sport thing with a ball and a large green pitch :)

On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton <
rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com> wrote:

> She has been to every country in Latin America
> >> and the Caribbean except Brasil.
>
> Why not Brasil?  :'(
>
> :p welcome, and come to Brasil!!!
>
>
>
> On 28 March 2013 23:06, Everton Zanella Alvarenga 
> wrote:
>
> > Good point, Florence.
> >
> > Is it like if we hired someone for a education position to work during
> > one school term for only 6 months.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 10:37 PM, Florence Devouard 
> > wrote:
> > > Welcome again Ellie
> > >
> > > A question came to my mind when I read the description of the job.
> > >
> > > - making sure there is good continuity and knowledge-transfer as the
> > > conference moves to new hosts year-over-year.
> > >
> > > Yet, she is taking on the role as an annual contract.
> > >
> > > Is there not a contradiction here ?
> > >
> > > Flo
> > >
> >
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Ellie Young as Conference Coordinator

[Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton]

She has been to every country in Latin America
>> and the Caribbean except Brasil.

Why not Brasil?  :'(

:p welcome, and come to Brasil!!!



On 28 March 2013 23:06, Everton Zanella Alvarenga  wrote:

> Good point, Florence.
>
> Is it like if we hired someone for a education position to work during
> one school term for only 6 months.
>
> Tom
>
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 10:37 PM, Florence Devouard 
> wrote:
> > Welcome again Ellie
> >
> > A question came to my mind when I read the description of the job.
> >
> > - making sure there is good continuity and knowledge-transfer as the
> > conference moves to new hosts year-over-year.
> >
> > Yet, she is taking on the role as an annual contract.
> >
> > Is there not a contradiction here ?
> >
> > Flo
> >
>
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Announcing Round 1 Individual Engagement Grantees

[Siko Bouterse]

Hi all,

I’m happy to announce the first round of Individual Engagement
Grantees today! The Wikimedia Foundation makes a variety of types of
grants, many of which focus on groups and organizations. Individual
Engagement Grants exemplify our commitment to increase support to
individual contributors to Wikimedia projects, with a particular focus
on making online improvements. These grants will support 8 Wikimedians
working individually and in small teams for 6 months to complete
projects that benefit the Wikimedia movement, serve our mission, and
strengthen our communities.[1]

For this pilot round, which began in February 2013, Wikimedians
submitted over 50 ideas and drafts from around the world. WMF
grantmaking staff narrowed these down to 22 complete proposals meeting
the eligibility criteria for review.[2][3]

18 Wikimedians formed a volunteer committee, with participants from 12
countries and from Wikimedia projects in 14 languages. .[4] Committee
members reviewed each proposal carefully, scoring them against a
rubric of pre-defined selection criteria and making recommendations
based on available funding for this round.[5] WMF grantmaking staff
shared aggregated scores and comments back with the community, while
the committee continued its deliberations to finalize a recommendation
to WMF to fund 8 projects in total.

All eight projects have been approved for funding by the WMF. In
examining the recommendations, we were struck by how varied these
projects are in terms of grant size, project methodology and
engagement targets. A central aim of Individual Engagement Grants is
to foster innovation, with a particular focus on online impact. We
think that innovative ideas and the skills that various contributors
bring to Wikimedia projects can lead to better online environments for
everyone, and we hope to learn a lot from these grantees about how we
can support more of this across the movement.

The round 1 selected projects are:

“Build an effective method of publicity in PRChina,” led by Chinese
Wikipedian User:AddisWang, funded at $350.[6] Addis and a small team
of volunteers based in mainland China will be experimenting with
social media campaigns to grow awareness of Wikipedia in China.

“Reply Edits,” led by User:Jeph paul, funded at $500.[7] Jeph is
building a MediaWiki gadget that creates a visual playback of the edit
history of a Wikipedia article, allowing users to see an article’s
change over time.

“The Wikipedia Library,” funded at $7500 and “The Wikipedia
Adventure,” funded at $10,000, will both be led by User:Ocaasi.[8][9]
It is worth noting that we hadn’t anticipated a dual project situation
and don’t expect it to be a usual circumstance.  We’ve decided to fund
both ideas in this round, though, because IEGrants focus on funding
promising, feasible projects with good community support wherever we
find them. For the Wikipedia Library, Ocaasi will be building and
consolidating partnerships with reference providers donating access to
reliable sources for Wikipedia editors, and improving the systems for
managing these programs. The Wikipedia Adventure is an on-wiki game
that will be piloted on English Wikipedia using the Guided Tours
extension to determine whether this type of interactive learning is an
effective engagement strategy for new editors.

“Consolidate wikiArS to involve art schools,” led by Catalan
Wikimedian User:Dvdgmz, funded at 7810 Euros.[10] The WikiArS outreach
program builds partnerships with art and design schools to teach
students to create images for donation to Wikimedia Commons and use in
Wikipedia articles. This grant will support focused experimentation in
the existing Catalan program’s models that can allow the initiative to
scale and to be sustained as an international program.

“Elaborate Wikisource strategic vision,” led by Catalan Wikisource
User:Micru and Italian Wikisource User:Aubrey, funded at 10,000
Euros.[11] This project brings together the global Wikisource
community and other stakeholders to define a vision for the project’s
future. They’ll begin work on near-term goals that can be accomplished
by volunteers on-wiki, and investigate paths forward for longer term
improvements to Wikisource.

“MediaWiki data browser,” led by User:Yaron K, partially funded at
$15,000 in order to pilot the initial concept.[12] Yaron’s project
will create a framework to allow any user to easily generate apps or
websites to browse sets of structured data that exist on Wikipedia and
other projects running on MediaWiki.

Finally, we’ve provisionally approved an 8th project for funding --
“MediaWiki and Javanese script,” led by User:Bennylin, funded at $3000
-- provided that a couple of dependencies can be satisfied.[13] This
project will provide technical support using a “train-the-trainers”
model that teaches volunteers how to use Javanese script online,
facilitating the transcription of Javanese texts to projects like
Javanese Wikisource. The newly developed Universal Language S

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hour inside out (program evaluation)

[Balázs Viczián]

I'd rather be interested in how do you measure _success_ (this question is
for everybody)

Balazs


2013/3/29 Everton Zanella Alvarenga 

> On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 3:30 PM, ENWP Pine 
> wrote:
>
> > May I ask, if you're working on things like the Learning Portal, what
> > are Frank and other people within the programs and evaluations
> > group working on? I'm interested in seeing a list of the current
> > initiatives, what their goals are, when they started, who the task
> > leads are, and what progress has been made so far. I think Frank's
> > appointment was in August 2012 and it would be great to get an
> > overview about what's been happening in Programs and Evaluations
> > a since then. I've been hoping to see that information in the WMF
> > monthly reports but I've seen surprisingly little info in the
> > past few reports.
>
> I also would like to know that.
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hour inside out (program evaluation)

[Everton Zanella Alvarenga]

On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 3:30 PM, ENWP Pine  wrote:

> May I ask, if you're working on things like the Learning Portal, what
> are Frank and other people within the programs and evaluations
> group working on? I'm interested in seeing a list of the current
> initiatives, what their goals are, when they started, who the task
> leads are, and what progress has been made so far. I think Frank's
> appointment was in August 2012 and it would be great to get an
> overview about what's been happening in Programs and Evaluations
> a since then. I've been hoping to see that information in the WMF
> monthly reports but I've seen surprisingly little info in the
> past few reports.

I also would like to know that.

Tom

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hour inside out (program evaluation)

[Asaf Bartov]

On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 11:30 AM, ENWP Pine  wrote:

>
> In the meantime, I hope that you add to your list of "all places receiving
> movement funding resources" any major projects within WMF. I think the
> situation with AFT5 repeating some errors from IEP which were well
> documented by a consultant that WMF hired, which tells me there is need
> for improvement within WMF. I think WMF should get its own house in order
> before, or at least concurrently, with looking at evaluations and
> accountability for outside organizations like chapters.
>

I've been seeing repeated assertions that AFT5 repeated "some errors from
IEP", but not a clear statement about what those were, i.e. specifically
the errors that were repeated.  Was this spelled out anywhere?  I might
have missed it.

   A.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hour inside out (program evaluation)

[ENWP Pine]

Hi Jessie,

Thanks for following up. 

I think Gayle will be responding to this thread also, but she is a little
busy right now as I think we can all understand.

In the meantime, I hope that you add to your list of "all places receiving 
movement funding resources" any major projects within WMF. I think the 
situation with AFT5 repeating some errors from IEP which were well 
documented by a consultant that WMF hired, which tells me there is need 
for improvement within WMF. I think WMF should get its own house in order 
before, or at least concurrently, with looking at evaluations and 
accountability for outside organizations like chapters. 

May I ask, if you're working on things like the Learning Portal, what
are Frank and other people within the programs and evaluations
group working on? I'm interested in seeing a list of the current 
initiatives, what their goals are, when they started, who the task
leads are, and what progress has been made so far. I think Frank's
appointment was in August 2012 and it would be great to get an
overview about what's been happening in Programs and Evaluations 
a since then. I've been hoping to see that information in the WMF
monthly reports but I've seen surprisingly little info in the
past few reports.

Thanks,

Pine

  
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