[Wikimedia-l] [Language Engineering] Office hour on 10th April 2013 at 1700 UTC/1000 PDT
* Hello, The Wikimedia Language Engineering team [1] invites everyone to join the team’s monthly office hour on April 10, 2013. We have some exciting updates about our ongoing projects, some of which have also been shared in our recent blog posts[2]. During this session we would like to walk through some of them. The team would also like to introduce a new outreach program which was mentioned in the last office hour held on 13th March 2013 [3]. Event details and the general agenda is mentioned below. See you all at the IRC office hour! regards Runa Event Details: == Date: 2013-04-10 (Wednesday) Time: 1700 UTC, 1000 PDT IRC channel: #wikimedia-office on irc.freenode.net Agenda: 1. Introductions 2. Translate UX - Deployment and other news 3. Language Mavens - an outreach initiative with the Wikimedia language communities 4. MediaWiki Language Extension Bundle (MLEB) Release 5. Q/A - We shall be taking questions during the session. Questions can also be sent to runa at wikimedia dot org r...@wikimedia.org before the event and can be addressed during the office-hour. [1] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Language_Engineering_team [2] http://blog.wikimedia.org/c/technology/features/internationalization-and-localization/ [3] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours/Office_hours_2013-03-13 * -- Language Engineering - Outreach and QA Coordinator Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure
Erik Moeller wrote: On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 7:49 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Sue or Erik: is there any update on this e-mail from November 2012? (Or some place interested folks should be watching for news?) In addition to the original note from November, please also see Sue's follow-up restructure announcement from December, which made explicit that the decision to split the engineering/product department was deferred for now: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2012-December/122971.html [...] Thank you very much for the insightful update. Much appreciated. :-) MZMcBride ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Esperanto kaj Libera Scio as user group
Hi all, I am happy to inform you that the Affiliations Committee has recognized a new Wikimedia User Group yesterday: Esperanto kaj Libera Sciohttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Esperanto_kaj_Libera_Scio(Esperanto and free knowledge). Please give them a warm welcome. Some background information follows: == Esperanto kaj Libera Scio == Esperanto kaj Libera Sciohttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Esperanto_kaj_Libera_Scio is a group of Wikimedians who speak Esperanto. Their focus is to unite Esperanto speaking persons who edit Wikipedia and other Wikimedia projects, or want to support Free Knowledge in other ways. Its activities include among others participating at Esperanto language events promoting Wikimedia projects, organizing Wikimedia workshops, trying to recruit new volunteers and technical cooperation on creating a translation gadget for the Esperanto Wikipedia. The Affiliations Committee's recognition is valid until 30 April 2014. == Wikimedia User Groups == Wikimedia User Groups are one of the three new types of affiliations created last year to empower volunteers wanting to conduct offline work. User group status is meant to be an easy form of affiliation, where the main requirements are an agreed goal, plans for offline work, at least three people participating and a public wiki page with all the relevant information). User groups are by default non-incorporated, although they may choose to incorporate (this is not the case with this group). One of the requirements of the status, and especially of its renewal is to publish a short report of activities at least once a year. Under the movement roles recommendationshttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_affiliation_models/User_Groups , user groups are to be recognized in a quick and easy process directly by the Affiliations Committee, for a fixed, renewable time-period and they are to enjoy limited trademark use and simplified access to grants. Best regards, Bence Damokos Chair, Affiliatons Committee ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] The Signpost -- Volume 9, Issue 13 -- 01 April 2013
Special report: Who reads which Wikipedia? The WMF's surprising stats http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-04-01/Special_report News and notes: Funding for the Wikipedia Library and six other projects; April Fool's Day ructions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-04-01/News_and_notes Featured content: What the ''?'' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-04-01/Featured_content WikiProject report: Special: FAQs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-04-01/WikiProject_report Arbitration report: Three open cases http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-04-01/Arbitration_report Technology report: Wikidata phase 2 deployment timetable in doubt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-04-01/Technology_report Single page view http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signpost/Single PDF version http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-04-01 http://identi.ca/wikisignpost / https://twitter.com/wikisignpost -- Wikipedia Signpost Staff http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost ___ Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately directed to Wikimedia-l, the public mailing list of the Wikimedia community. For more information about Wikimedia-l: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ WikimediaAnnounce-l mailing list wikimediaannounc...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaannounce-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] Jointly they edit
Greetings, everybody This PLoS One paper about Wikipedia community had been cited by the traditional press: Jessica J. Neff, David Laniado, Karolin E. Kappler, Yana Volkovich, Pablo Aragón, Andreas Kaltenbrunner *Jointly They Edit: Examining the Impact of Community Identification on Political Interaction in Wikipedia* Our results indicate that users who proclaim their political affiliation within the community tend to proclaim their identity as a ‘Wikipedian’ even more loudly. It seems that the shared identity of ‘being Wikipedian’ may be strong enough to triumph over other potentially divisive facets of personal identity, such as political affiliation. Regards Victoria ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of a Wikipedia article
Hi there, I guess you might be interested to hear that Direction Centrale du Renseignement Intérieur (Central Directorate of Interior Intelligence, DCRI), a French intelligence agency that reports directly to the Ministry of the Interior, has apparently forced a French Wikipedia administrator to delete an article that in their opinion—as I understand it—revelead classified information deemed very harmful to the French national defence (compromission du secret de la Défense nationale). Interestingly, they contacted the WMF legal team with a request to remove (delete? suppress?) this article a couple of weeks before that, but were refused after failing to provide further information on why the article should be removed (in the words of a Foundation legal counsel). Undounted by that, they approached the said administrator — who operates under his real name, so I guess it was pretty easy to track him — and asked him to delete this article, a request which he obliged. (The article has since been restored by a different administrator). As far as I understand, the version of the article they wanted to have deleted was https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=81104004. I guess that when an intelligence agency asks their citizen to remove information from Wikipedia citing the penal code (article 413-11 of the French penal code in this case), it is something worth sharing (no harm intended). Further reading in English: * https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prevoldid=91703508 * https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=91705235 -- Tomasz W. Kozłowski a.k.a. [[user:odder]] ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of a Wikipedia article
Hard to know what was involved from the information you provide. The problem is there is classified information that amounts to nothing and then there is classified information release of which can cause serious damage. Defiance will eventually result in serious trouble. Not that we should knuckle under to nonsense. Fred Hi there, I guess you might be interested to hear that Direction Centrale du Renseignement Intérieur (Central Directorate of Interior Intelligence, DCRI), a French intelligence agency that reports directly to the Ministry of the Interior, has apparently forced a French Wikipedia administrator to delete an article that in their opinionâas I understand itârevelead classified information deemed very harmful to the French national defence (compromission du secret de la Défense nationale). Interestingly, they contacted the WMF legal team with a request to remove (delete? suppress?) this article a couple of weeks before that, but were refused after failing to provide further information on why the article should be removed (in the words of a Foundation legal counsel). Undounted by that, they approached the said administrator â who operates under his real name, so I guess it was pretty easy to track him â and asked him to delete this article, a request which he obliged. (The article has since been restored by a different administrator). As far as I understand, the version of the article they wanted to have deleted was https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=81104004. I guess that when an intelligence agency asks their citizen to remove information from Wikipedia citing the penal code (article 413-11 of the French penal code in this case), it is something worth sharing (no harm intended). Further reading in English: * https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prevoldid=91703508 * https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=91705235 -- Tomasz W. KozÅowski a.k.a. [[user:odder]] ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of a Wikipedia article
This is where the discussion is happening on-wiki: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Bulletin_des_administrateurs#Secret_d.C3.A9fense On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: Hard to know what was involved from the information you provide. The problem is there is classified information that amounts to nothing and then there is classified information release of which can cause serious damage. Defiance will eventually result in serious trouble. Not that we should knuckle under to nonsense. Fred Hi there, I guess you might be interested to hear that Direction Centrale du Renseignement Intérieur (Central Directorate of Interior Intelligence, DCRI), a French intelligence agency that reports directly to the Ministry of the Interior, has apparently forced a French Wikipedia administrator to delete an article that in their opinion—as I understand it—revelead classified information deemed very harmful to the French national defence (compromission du secret de la Défense nationale). Interestingly, they contacted the WMF legal team with a request to remove (delete? suppress?) this article a couple of weeks before that, but were refused after failing to provide further information on why the article should be removed (in the words of a Foundation legal counsel). Undounted by that, they approached the said administrator — who operates under his real name, so I guess it was pretty easy to track him — and asked him to delete this article, a request which he obliged. (The article has since been restored by a different administrator). As far as I understand, the version of the article they wanted to have deleted was https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=81104004. I guess that when an intelligence agency asks their citizen to remove information from Wikipedia citing the penal code (article 413-11 of the French penal code in this case), it is something worth sharing (no harm intended). Further reading in English: * https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prevoldid=91703508 * https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=91705235 -- Tomasz W. Kozłowski a.k.a. [[user:odder]] ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Matthew Roth Global Communications Manager Wikimedia Foundation +1.415.839.6885 ext 6635 www.wikimediafoundation.org *https://donate.wikimedia.org* ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of a Wikipedia article
Do not they have Swiss, Canadian, and Balgian administrators to restore the article? Cheers Yaroslav On 05.04.2013 19:41, Tomasz W. Kozłowski wrote: Hi there, I guess you might be interested to hear that Direction Centrale du Renseignement Intérieur (Central Directorate of Interior Intelligence, DCRI), a French intelligence agency that reports directly to the Ministry of the Interior, has apparently forced a French Wikipedia administrator to delete an article that in their opinion—as I understand it—revelead classified information deemed very harmful to the French national defence (compromission du secret de la Défense nationale). Interestingly, they contacted the WMF legal team with a request to remove (delete? suppress?) this article a couple of weeks before that, but were refused after failing to provide further information on why the article should be removed (in the words of a Foundation legal counsel). Undounted by that, they approached the said administrator — who operates under his real name, so I guess it was pretty easy to track him — and asked him to delete this article, a request which he obliged. (The article has since been restored by a different administrator). As far as I understand, the version of the article they wanted to have deleted was https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=81104004. I guess that when an intelligence agency asks their citizen to remove information from Wikipedia citing the penal code (article 413-11 of the French penal code in this case), it is something worth sharing (no harm intended). Further reading in English: * https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prevoldid=91703508 * https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=91705235 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of a Wikipedia article
Am 05.04.2013 20:58, schrieb Yaroslav M. Blanter: Do not they have Swiss, Canadian, and Balgian administrators to restore the article? The article actually was restored by someone outside France. /Manuel -- Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Lausanne, +41 (21) 34066-22 - www.wikimedia.ch ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of a Wikipedia article
Typical. They were not willing to tell our legal counsel why or what was classified; she, of course, has no French security clearance; now it is spread all over an administrators noticeboard, and restored. They weren't wrong but neither is our legal counsel or the users; so fell between the cracks. Hopefully the matter was not too important; I'm sure we have enough money to pay for relocating the facility to a secure location. Fred This is where the discussion is happening on-wiki: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Bulletin_des_administrateurs#Secret_d.C3.A9fense On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: Hard to know what was involved from the information you provide. The problem is there is classified information that amounts to nothing and then there is classified information release of which can cause serious damage. Defiance will eventually result in serious trouble. Not that we should knuckle under to nonsense. Fred Hi there, I guess you might be interested to hear that Direction Centrale du Renseignement Intérieur (Central Directorate of Interior Intelligence, DCRI), a French intelligence agency that reports directly to the Ministry of the Interior, has apparently forced a French Wikipedia administrator to delete an article that in their opinionâas I understand itârevelead classified information deemed very harmful to the French national defence (compromission du secret de la Défense nationale). Interestingly, they contacted the WMF legal team with a request to remove (delete? suppress?) this article a couple of weeks before that, but were refused after failing to provide further information on why the article should be removed (in the words of a Foundation legal counsel). Undounted by that, they approached the said administrator â who operates under his real name, so I guess it was pretty easy to track him â and asked him to delete this article, a request which he obliged. (The article has since been restored by a different administrator). As far as I understand, the version of the article they wanted to have deleted was https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=81104004. I guess that when an intelligence agency asks their citizen to remove information from Wikipedia citing the penal code (article 413-11 of the French penal code in this case), it is something worth sharing (no harm intended). Further reading in English: * https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prevoldid=91703508 * https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=91705235 -- Tomasz W. KozÅowski a.k.a. [[user:odder]] ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Matthew Roth Global Communications Manager Wikimedia Foundation +1.415.839.6885 ext 6635 www.wikimediafoundation.org *https://donate.wikimedia.org* ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of a Wikipedia article
This is seeming a little silly; it's just a big communications station. It's got huge radio towers and is very visible on the skyline for a distance. It's got a civilian radio/TV tower colocated with it. I can't see what would be sensitive in the article.. On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: Typical. They were not willing to tell our legal counsel why or what was classified; she, of course, has no French security clearance; now it is spread all over an administrators noticeboard, and restored. They weren't wrong but neither is our legal counsel or the users; so fell between the cracks. Hopefully the matter was not too important; I'm sure we have enough money to pay for relocating the facility to a secure location. Fred This is where the discussion is happening on-wiki: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Bulletin_des_administrateurs#Secret_d.C3.A9fense On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: Hard to know what was involved from the information you provide. The problem is there is classified information that amounts to nothing and then there is classified information release of which can cause serious damage. Defiance will eventually result in serious trouble. Not that we should knuckle under to nonsense. Fred Hi there, I guess you might be interested to hear that Direction Centrale du Renseignement Intérieur (Central Directorate of Interior Intelligence, DCRI), a French intelligence agency that reports directly to the Ministry of the Interior, has apparently forced a French Wikipedia administrator to delete an article that in their opinion—as I understand it—revelead classified information deemed very harmful to the French national defence (compromission du secret de la Défense nationale). Interestingly, they contacted the WMF legal team with a request to remove (delete? suppress?) this article a couple of weeks before that, but were refused after failing to provide further information on why the article should be removed (in the words of a Foundation legal counsel). Undounted by that, they approached the said administrator — who operates under his real name, so I guess it was pretty easy to track him — and asked him to delete this article, a request which he obliged. (The article has since been restored by a different administrator). As far as I understand, the version of the article they wanted to have deleted was https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=81104004. I guess that when an intelligence agency asks their citizen to remove information from Wikipedia citing the penal code (article 413-11 of the French penal code in this case), it is something worth sharing (no harm intended). Further reading in English: * https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prevoldid=91703508 * https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=91705235 -- Tomasz W. Kozłowski a.k.a. [[user:odder]] ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Matthew Roth Global Communications Manager Wikimedia Foundation +1.415.839.6885 ext 6635 www.wikimediafoundation.org *https://donate.wikimedia.org* ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- -george william herbert george.herb...@gmail.com ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of a Wikipedia article
Somehow it is important... Streisand effect writ large. Unless somehow it was just a mixup, or a deliberate attempt to put a false target forward. Fred This is seeming a little silly; it's just a big communications station. It's got huge radio towers and is very visible on the skyline for a distance. It's got a civilian radio/TV tower colocated with it. I can't see what would be sensitive in the article.. On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: Typical. They were not willing to tell our legal counsel why or what was classified; she, of course, has no French security clearance; now it is spread all over an administrators noticeboard, and restored. They weren't wrong but neither is our legal counsel or the users; so fell between the cracks. Hopefully the matter was not too important; I'm sure we have enough money to pay for relocating the facility to a secure location. Fred This is where the discussion is happening on-wiki: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Bulletin_des_administrateurs#Secret_d.C3.A9fense On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: Hard to know what was involved from the information you provide. The problem is there is classified information that amounts to nothing and then there is classified information release of which can cause serious damage. Defiance will eventually result in serious trouble. Not that we should knuckle under to nonsense. Fred Hi there, I guess you might be interested to hear that Direction Centrale du Renseignement Intérieur (Central Directorate of Interior Intelligence, DCRI), a French intelligence agency that reports directly to the Ministry of the Interior, has apparently forced a French Wikipedia administrator to delete an article that in their opinionâas I understand itârevelead classified information deemed very harmful to the French national defence (compromission du secret de la Défense nationale). Interestingly, they contacted the WMF legal team with a request to remove (delete? suppress?) this article a couple of weeks before that, but were refused after failing to provide further information on why the article should be removed (in the words of a Foundation legal counsel). Undounted by that, they approached the said administrator â who operates under his real name, so I guess it was pretty easy to track him â and asked him to delete this article, a request which he obliged. (The article has since been restored by a different administrator). As far as I understand, the version of the article they wanted to have deleted was https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=81104004. I guess that when an intelligence agency asks their citizen to remove information from Wikipedia citing the penal code (article 413-11 of the French penal code in this case), it is something worth sharing (no harm intended). Further reading in English: * https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prevoldid=91703508 * https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=91705235 -- Tomasz W. KozÅowski a.k.a. [[user:odder]] ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Matthew Roth Global Communications Manager Wikimedia Foundation +1.415.839.6885 ext 6635 www.wikimediafoundation.org *https://donate.wikimedia.org* ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- -george william herbert george.herb...@gmail.com ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of a Wikipedia article
Was it an author of the article they contacted, or just a random administrator? Leo ___Leonard wallentinleo_wallen...@hotmail.com@leo_wallentin+46 (0) 735 - 933 543 Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 13:44:57 -0600 From: fredb...@fairpoint.net To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of a Wikipedia article Somehow it is important... Streisand effect writ large. Unless somehow it was just a mixup, or a deliberate attempt to put a false target forward. Fred This is seeming a little silly; it's just a big communications station. It's got huge radio towers and is very visible on the skyline for a distance. It's got a civilian radio/TV tower colocated with it. I can't see what would be sensitive in the article.. On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: Typical. They were not willing to tell our legal counsel why or what was classified; she, of course, has no French security clearance; now it is spread all over an administrators noticeboard, and restored. They weren't wrong but neither is our legal counsel or the users; so fell between the cracks. Hopefully the matter was not too important; I'm sure we have enough money to pay for relocating the facility to a secure location. Fred This is where the discussion is happening on-wiki: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Bulletin_des_administrateurs#Secret_d.C3.A9fense On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: Hard to know what was involved from the information you provide. The problem is there is classified information that amounts to nothing and then there is classified information release of which can cause serious damage. Defiance will eventually result in serious trouble. Not that we should knuckle under to nonsense. Fred Hi there, I guess you might be interested to hear that Direction Centrale du Renseignement Intérieur (Central Directorate of Interior Intelligence, DCRI), a French intelligence agency that reports directly to the Ministry of the Interior, has apparently forced a French Wikipedia administrator to delete an article that in their opinion—as I understand it—revelead classified information deemed very harmful to the French national defence (compromission du secret de la Défense nationale). Interestingly, they contacted the WMF legal team with a request to remove (delete? suppress?) this article a couple of weeks before that, but were refused after failing to provide further information on why the article should be removed (in the words of a Foundation legal counsel). Undounted by that, they approached the said administrator — who operates under his real name, so I guess it was pretty easy to track him — and asked him to delete this article, a request which he obliged. (The article has since been restored by a different administrator). As far as I understand, the version of the article they wanted to have deleted was https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=81104004. I guess that when an intelligence agency asks their citizen to remove information from Wikipedia citing the penal code (article 413-11 of the French penal code in this case), it is something worth sharing (no harm intended). Further reading in English: * https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prevoldid=91703508 * https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=91705235 -- Tomasz W. Kozłowski a.k.a. [[user:odder]] ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Matthew Roth Global Communications Manager Wikimedia Foundation +1.415.839.6885 ext 6635 www.wikimediafoundation.org *https://donate.wikimedia.org* ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- -george william herbert george.herb...@gmail.com ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of aWikipedia article
Well that's one way of drawing attention to the site... - Original Message - From: Tomasz W. Kozłowski odder.w...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 7:41 PM Subject: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of aWikipedia article Hi there, I guess you might be interested to hear that Direction Centrale du Renseignement Intérieur (Central Directorate of Interior Intelligence, DCRI), a French intelligence agency that reports directly to the Ministry of the Interior, has apparently forced a French Wikipedia administrator to delete an article that in their opinion—as I understand it—revelead classified information deemed very harmful to the French national defence (compromission du secret de la Défense nationale). Interestingly, they contacted the WMF legal team with a request to remove (delete? suppress?) this article a couple of weeks before that, but were refused after failing to provide further information on why the article should be removed (in the words of a Foundation legal counsel). Undounted by that, they approached the said administrator — who operates under his real name, so I guess it was pretty easy to track him — and asked him to delete this article, a request which he obliged. (The article has since been restored by a different administrator). As far as I understand, the version of the article they wanted to have deleted was https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=81104004. I guess that when an intelligence agency asks their citizen to remove information from Wikipedia citing the penal code (article 413-11 of the French penal code in this case), it is something worth sharing (no harm intended). Further reading in English: * https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prevoldid=91703508 * https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=91705235 -- Tomasz W. Kozłowski a.k.a. [[user:odder]] ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2240 / Virus Database: 2641/5726 - Release Date: 04/05/13 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of aWikipedia article
...and ensuring its translated into as many languages as possible! On 06/04/2013 7:10 AM, Peter Southwood peter.southw...@telkomsa.net wrote: Well that's one way of drawing attention to the site... - Original Message - From: Tomasz W. Kozłowski odder.w...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.**orgwikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 7:41 PM Subject: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of aWikipedia article Hi there, I guess you might be interested to hear that Direction Centrale du Renseignement Intérieur (Central Directorate of Interior Intelligence, DCRI), a French intelligence agency that reports directly to the Ministry of the Interior, has apparently forced a French Wikipedia administrator to delete an article that in their opinion—as I understand it—revelead classified information deemed very harmful to the French national defence (compromission du secret de la Défense nationale). Interestingly, they contacted the WMF legal team with a request to remove (delete? suppress?) this article a couple of weeks before that, but were refused after failing to provide further information on why the article should be removed (in the words of a Foundation legal counsel). Undounted by that, they approached the said administrator — who operates under his real name, so I guess it was pretty easy to track him — and asked him to delete this article, a request which he obliged. (The article has since been restored by a different administrator). As far as I understand, the version of the article they wanted to have deleted was https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/**index.php?oldid=81104004https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=81104004 . I guess that when an intelligence agency asks their citizen to remove information from Wikipedia citing the penal code (article 413-11 of the French penal code in this case), it is something worth sharing (no harm intended). Further reading in English: * https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/**index.php?diff=prevoldid=**91703508https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prevoldid=91703508 * https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/**index.php?oldid=91705235https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=91705235 -- Tomasz W. Kozłowski a.k.a. [[user:odder]] __**_ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.**org Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2240 / Virus Database: 2641/5726 - Release Date: 04/05/13 __**_ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.**org Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of a Wikipedia article
Le vendredi 05 avril 2013 à 13:44 -0600, Fred Bauder a écrit : Somehow it is important... Streisand effect writ large. Unless somehow it was just a mixup, or a deliberate attempt to put a false target forward. Or maybe just a test to see how hard it could be to do. Who know. ;) ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of a Wikipedia article
WMF Legal Counsel Michele Paulson has added a statement to the discussion on fr.wp here: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Bulletin_des_administrateurs/2013/Semaine_14#Wikimedia_Foundation_elaborates_on_recent_demand_by_French_governmental_agency_to_remove_Wikipedia_content . It is also repeated on Meta here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Legal_and_Community_Advocacy/Statement_on_France I noted on the Communications Committee list that everyone can feel invited to send press inquiries to me at the Foundation. I'm happy to clarify what we know of the chronology of events and answer questions reporters might have. thank you, Matthew -- Matthew Roth Global Communications Manager Wikimedia Foundation +1.415.839.6885 ext 6635 www.wikimediafoundation.org *https://donate.wikimedia.org* On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Mathieu Stumpf psychosl...@culture-libre.org wrote: Le vendredi 05 avril 2013 à 13:44 -0600, Fred Bauder a écrit : Somehow it is important... Streisand effect writ large. Unless somehow it was just a mixup, or a deliberate attempt to put a false target forward. Or maybe just a test to see how hard it could be to do. Who know. ;) ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of a Wikipedia article
Quite so, any information that can not be referenced can be challenged and deleted in the usual way - without attracting much attention, and entirely within the accepted procedures of Wikipedia. - Original Message - From: Alex Peek alexpe...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 6:32 AM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of a Wikipedia article All complaints about this project will be respected. I completely understand why a certain country or locality would object to data being included and this project. Keep in mind that all pieces of data used in the project must be available to the public. I do not understand why there would be an objection when data used is freely available. The current Wikipedia 'Economy of the pages already feature lots of world economic data. This project organizes that data in a legal way. The whole point of this project is to provide a public good. I do not want to offend anyone or do anybody harm. I believe that this project would help educated people about the world economy. On 5 April 2013 20:02, Mathieu Stumpf psychosl...@culture-libre.org wrote: Le vendredi 05 avril 2013 à 13:44 -0600, Fred Bauder a écrit : Somehow it is important... Streisand effect writ large. Unless somehow it was just a mixup, or a deliberate attempt to put a false target forward. Or maybe just a test to see how hard it could be to do. Who know. ;) ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2240 / Virus Database: 2641/5726 - Release Date: 04/05/13 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
