Re: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of a Wikipedia article

2013-04-05 Thread Peter Southwood 
Quite so, any information that can not be referenced can be challenged and 
deleted in the usual way - without attracting much attention, and entirely 
within the accepted procedures of Wikipedia.


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All complaints about this project will be respected. I completely
understand why a certain country or locality would object to data being
included and this project.

Keep in mind that all pieces of data used in the project must be available
to the public. I do not understand why there would be an objection when
data used is freely available.

The current Wikipedia 'Economy of the " pages already feature lots
of world economic data. This project organizes that data in a legal way.

The whole point of this project is to provide a public good. I do not want
to offend anyone or do anybody harm. I believe that this project would 
help

educated people about the world economy.


On 5 April 2013 20:02, Mathieu Stumpf  
wrote:



Le vendredi 05 avril 2013 à 13:44 -0600, Fred Bauder a écrit :
> Somehow it is important... Streisand effect writ large. Unless somehow 
> it
> was just a mixup, or a deliberate attempt to put a false target 
> forward.


Or maybe just a test to see how hard it could be to do. Who know. ;)

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of a Wikipedia article

2013-04-05 Thread Matthew Roth 
WMF Legal Counsel Michele Paulson has added a statement to the discussion
on fr.wp here:
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Bulletin_des_administrateurs/2013/Semaine_14#Wikimedia_Foundation_elaborates_on_recent_demand_by_French_governmental_agency_to_remove_Wikipedia_content
.

It is also repeated on Meta here:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Legal_and_Community_Advocacy/Statement_on_France

I noted on the Communications Committee list that everyone can feel invited
to send press inquiries to me at the Foundation. I'm happy to clarify what
we know of the chronology of events and answer questions reporters might
have.

thank you,
Matthew

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On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Mathieu Stumpf <
psychosl...@culture-libre.org> wrote:

> Le vendredi 05 avril 2013 à 13:44 -0600, Fred Bauder a écrit :
> > Somehow it is important... Streisand effect writ large. Unless somehow it
> > was just a mixup, or a deliberate attempt to put a false target forward.
>
> Or maybe just a test to see how hard it could be to do. Who know. ;)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of a Wikipedia article

2013-04-05 Thread Alex Peek 
Call me at 206-304-0703 if you want to talk. I live in Seattle and it is
9:33 pm here


On 5 April 2013 21:32, Alex Peek  wrote:

> All complaints about this project will be respected. I completely
> understand why a certain country or locality would object to data being
> included and this project.
>
> Keep in mind that all pieces of data used in the project must be available
> to the public. I do not understand why there would be an objection when
> data used is freely available.
>
> The current Wikipedia 'Economy of the " pages already feature lots
> of world economic data. This project organizes that data in a legal way.
>
> The whole point of this project is to provide a public good. I do not want
> to offend anyone or do anybody harm. I believe that this project would help
> educated people about the world economy.
>
>
> On 5 April 2013 20:02, Mathieu Stumpf wrote:
>
>> Le vendredi 05 avril 2013 à 13:44 -0600, Fred Bauder a écrit :
>> > Somehow it is important... Streisand effect writ large. Unless somehow
>> it
>> > was just a mixup, or a deliberate attempt to put a false target forward.
>>
>> Or maybe just a test to see how hard it could be to do. Who know. ;)
>>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of a Wikipedia article

2013-04-05 Thread Alex Peek 
All complaints about this project will be respected. I completely
understand why a certain country or locality would object to data being
included and this project.

Keep in mind that all pieces of data used in the project must be available
to the public. I do not understand why there would be an objection when
data used is freely available.

The current Wikipedia 'Economy of the " pages already feature lots
of world economic data. This project organizes that data in a legal way.

The whole point of this project is to provide a public good. I do not want
to offend anyone or do anybody harm. I believe that this project would help
educated people about the world economy.


On 5 April 2013 20:02, Mathieu Stumpf  wrote:

> Le vendredi 05 avril 2013 à 13:44 -0600, Fred Bauder a écrit :
> > Somehow it is important... Streisand effect writ large. Unless somehow it
> > was just a mixup, or a deliberate attempt to put a false target forward.
>
> Or maybe just a test to see how hard it could be to do. Who know. ;)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of a Wikipedia article

2013-04-05 Thread Mathieu Stumpf 
Le vendredi 05 avril 2013 à 13:44 -0600, Fred Bauder a écrit :
> Somehow it is important... Streisand effect writ large. Unless somehow it
> was just a mixup, or a deliberate attempt to put a false target forward.

Or maybe just a test to see how hard it could be to do. Who know. ;)

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of aWikipedia article

2013-04-05 Thread Craig Franklin 
...and ensuring its translated into as many languages as possible!
On 06/04/2013 7:10 AM, "Peter Southwood" 
wrote:

> Well that's one way of drawing attention to the site...
>
> - Original Message - From: "Tomasz W. Kozłowski" <
> odder.w...@gmail.com>
> To: "Wikimedia Mailing List" 
> 
> >
> Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 7:41 PM
> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of
> aWikipedia article
>
>
>  Hi there,
>> I guess you might be interested to hear that Direction Centrale du
>> Renseignement Intérieur (Central Directorate of Interior Intelligence,
>> DCRI), a French intelligence agency that reports directly to the
>> Ministry of the Interior, has apparently forced a French Wikipedia
>> administrator to delete an article that in their opinion—as I
>> understand it—revelead classified information deemed very harmful to
>> the French national defence ("compromission du secret de la Défense
>> nationale").
>>
>> Interestingly, they contacted the WMF legal team with a request to
>> remove (delete? suppress?) this article a couple of weeks before that,
>> but were refused after failing to provide further information on why
>> the article should be removed (in the words of a Foundation legal
>> counsel).
>>
>> Undounted by that, they approached the said administrator — who
>> operates under his real name, so I guess it was pretty easy to track
>> him — and asked him to delete this article, a request which he
>> obliged. (The article has since been restored by a different
>> administrator). As far as I understand, the version of the article
>> they wanted to have deleted was
>> 
>> >.
>>
>> I guess that when an intelligence agency asks their citizen to remove
>> information from Wikipedia citing the penal code (article 413-11 of
>> the French penal code in this case), it is something worth sharing (no
>> harm intended).
>>
>> Further reading in English:
>> * 
>> 
>> >
>> * 
>> 
>> >
>>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of aWikipedia article

2013-04-05 Thread Peter Southwood 

Well that's one way of drawing attention to the site...

- Original Message - 
From: "Tomasz W. Kozłowski" 

To: "Wikimedia Mailing List" 
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 7:41 PM
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of 
aWikipedia article




Hi there,
I guess you might be interested to hear that Direction Centrale du
Renseignement Intérieur (Central Directorate of Interior Intelligence,
DCRI), a French intelligence agency that reports directly to the
Ministry of the Interior, has apparently forced a French Wikipedia
administrator to delete an article that in their opinion—as I
understand it—revelead classified information deemed very harmful to
the French national defence ("compromission du secret de la Défense
nationale").

Interestingly, they contacted the WMF legal team with a request to
remove (delete? suppress?) this article a couple of weeks before that,
but were refused after failing to provide further information on why
the article should be removed (in the words of a Foundation legal
counsel).

Undounted by that, they approached the said administrator — who
operates under his real name, so I guess it was pretty easy to track
him — and asked him to delete this article, a request which he
obliged. (The article has since been restored by a different
administrator). As far as I understand, the version of the article
they wanted to have deleted was
.

I guess that when an intelligence agency asks their citizen to remove
information from Wikipedia citing the penal code (article 413-11 of
the French penal code in this case), it is something worth sharing (no
harm intended).

Further reading in English:
* 
* 

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of a Wikipedia article

2013-04-05 Thread Leonard Wallentin 
Was it an author of the article they contacted, or just a random administrator?
Leo

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> Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 13:44:57 -0600
> From: fredb...@fairpoint.net
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of a 
> Wikipedia article
> 
> Somehow it is important... Streisand effect writ large. Unless somehow it
> was just a mixup, or a deliberate attempt to put a false target forward.
> 
> Fred
> 
> > This is seeming a little silly; it's just a big communications station.
> >  It's got huge radio towers and is very visible on the skyline for a
> > distance.  It's got a civilian radio/TV tower colocated with it.
> >
> > I can't see what would be sensitive in the article..
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Fred Bauder 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Typical. They were not willing to tell our legal counsel why or what
> >> was
> >> classified; she, of course, has no French security clearance; now it is
> >> spread all over an administrators noticeboard, and restored.
> >>
> >> They weren't wrong but neither is our legal counsel or the users; so
> >> "fell between the cracks." Hopefully the matter was not too important;
> >> I'm sure we have enough money to pay for relocating the facility to a
> >> secure location.
> >>
> >> Fred
> >>
> >> > This is where the discussion is happening on-wiki:
> >> >
> >> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Bulletin_des_administrateurs#Secret_d.C3.A9fense
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Fred Bauder 
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hard to know what was involved from the information you provide. The
> >> problem is there is classified information that amounts to nothing and
> >> then there is classified information release of which can cause
> >> serious damage. Defiance will eventually result in serious trouble.
> >> Not that we should knuckle under to nonsense.
> >> >>
> >> >> Fred
> >> >>
> >> >> > Hi there,
> >> >> > I guess you might be interested to hear that Direction Centrale du
> >> Renseignement Intérieur (Central Directorate of Interior
> >> >> Intelligence,
> >> >> > DCRI), a French intelligence agency that reports directly to the
> >> Ministry of the Interior, has apparently forced a French Wikipedia
> >> administrator to delete an article that in their opinion—as I
> >> understand it—revelead classified information deemed very harmful
> >> >> to
> >> >> > the French national defence ("compromission du secret de la
> >> Défense
> >> nationale").
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Interestingly, they contacted the WMF legal team with a request to
> >> remove (delete? suppress?) this article a couple of weeks before
> >> >> that,
> >> >> > but were refused after failing to provide further information on
> >> why
> >> the article should be removed (in the words of a Foundation legal
> >> counsel).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Undounted by that, they approached the said administrator — who
> >> operates under his real name, so I guess it was pretty easy to track
> >> him — and asked him to delete this article, a request which he
> >> obliged. (The article has since been restored by a different
> >> >> > administrator). As far as I understand, the version of the article
> >> they wanted to have deleted was
> >> >> > .
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I guess that when an intelligence agency asks their citizen to
> >> remove information from Wikipedia citing the penal code (article
> >> 413-11 of the French penal code in this case), it is something worth
> >> sharing
> >> >> (no
> >> >> > harm intended).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Further reading in English:
> >> >> > * 
> >> *
> >> 
> >> >> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of a Wikipedia article

2013-04-05 Thread Fred Bauder 
Somehow it is important... Streisand effect writ large. Unless somehow it
was just a mixup, or a deliberate attempt to put a false target forward.

Fred

> This is seeming a little silly; it's just a big communications station.
>  It's got huge radio towers and is very visible on the skyline for a
> distance.  It's got a civilian radio/TV tower colocated with it.
>
> I can't see what would be sensitive in the article..
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Fred Bauder 
> wrote:
>
>> Typical. They were not willing to tell our legal counsel why or what
>> was
>> classified; she, of course, has no French security clearance; now it is
>> spread all over an administrators noticeboard, and restored.
>>
>> They weren't wrong but neither is our legal counsel or the users; so
>> "fell between the cracks." Hopefully the matter was not too important;
>> I'm sure we have enough money to pay for relocating the facility to a
>> secure location.
>>
>> Fred
>>
>> > This is where the discussion is happening on-wiki:
>> >
>> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Bulletin_des_administrateurs#Secret_d.C3.A9fense
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Fred Bauder 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hard to know what was involved from the information you provide. The
>> problem is there is classified information that amounts to nothing and
>> then there is classified information release of which can cause
>> serious damage. Defiance will eventually result in serious trouble.
>> Not that we should knuckle under to nonsense.
>> >>
>> >> Fred
>> >>
>> >> > Hi there,
>> >> > I guess you might be interested to hear that Direction Centrale du
>> Renseignement Intérieur (Central Directorate of Interior
>> >> Intelligence,
>> >> > DCRI), a French intelligence agency that reports directly to the
>> Ministry of the Interior, has apparently forced a French Wikipedia
>> administrator to delete an article that in their opinion—as I
>> understand it—revelead classified information deemed very harmful
>> >> to
>> >> > the French national defence ("compromission du secret de la
>> Défense
>> nationale").
>> >> >
>> >> > Interestingly, they contacted the WMF legal team with a request to
>> remove (delete? suppress?) this article a couple of weeks before
>> >> that,
>> >> > but were refused after failing to provide further information on
>> why
>> the article should be removed (in the words of a Foundation legal
>> counsel).
>> >> >
>> >> > Undounted by that, they approached the said administrator — who
>> operates under his real name, so I guess it was pretty easy to track
>> him — and asked him to delete this article, a request which he
>> obliged. (The article has since been restored by a different
>> >> > administrator). As far as I understand, the version of the article
>> they wanted to have deleted was
>> >> > .
>> >> >
>> >> > I guess that when an intelligence agency asks their citizen to
>> remove information from Wikipedia citing the penal code (article
>> 413-11 of the French penal code in this case), it is something worth
>> sharing
>> >> (no
>> >> > harm intended).
>> >> >
>> >> > Further reading in English:
>> >> > * 
>> *
>> 
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Tomasz W. Kozłowski
>> >> > a.k.a. [[user:odder]]
>> >> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of a Wikipedia article

2013-04-05 Thread George Herbert 
This is seeming a little silly; it's just a big communications station.
 It's got huge radio towers and is very visible on the skyline for a
distance.  It's got a civilian radio/TV tower colocated with it.

I can't see what would be sensitive in the article..


On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Fred Bauder  wrote:

> Typical. They were not willing to tell our legal counsel why or what was
> classified; she, of course, has no French security clearance; now it is
> spread all over an administrators noticeboard, and restored.
>
> They weren't wrong but neither is our legal counsel or the users; so
> "fell between the cracks." Hopefully the matter was not too important;
> I'm sure we have enough money to pay for relocating the facility to a
> secure location.
>
> Fred
>
> > This is where the discussion is happening on-wiki:
> >
> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Bulletin_des_administrateurs#Secret_d.C3.A9fense
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Fred Bauder 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hard to know what was involved from the information you provide. The
> problem is there is classified information that amounts to nothing and
> then there is classified information release of which can cause
> serious damage. Defiance will eventually result in serious trouble.
> Not that we should knuckle under to nonsense.
> >>
> >> Fred
> >>
> >> > Hi there,
> >> > I guess you might be interested to hear that Direction Centrale du
> Renseignement Intérieur (Central Directorate of Interior
> >> Intelligence,
> >> > DCRI), a French intelligence agency that reports directly to the
> Ministry of the Interior, has apparently forced a French Wikipedia
> administrator to delete an article that in their opinion—as I
> understand it—revelead classified information deemed very harmful
> >> to
> >> > the French national defence ("compromission du secret de la Défense
> nationale").
> >> >
> >> > Interestingly, they contacted the WMF legal team with a request to
> remove (delete? suppress?) this article a couple of weeks before
> >> that,
> >> > but were refused after failing to provide further information on why
> the article should be removed (in the words of a Foundation legal
> counsel).
> >> >
> >> > Undounted by that, they approached the said administrator — who
> operates under his real name, so I guess it was pretty easy to track
> him — and asked him to delete this article, a request which he
> obliged. (The article has since been restored by a different
> >> > administrator). As far as I understand, the version of the article
> they wanted to have deleted was
> >> > .
> >> >
> >> > I guess that when an intelligence agency asks their citizen to
> remove information from Wikipedia citing the penal code (article
> 413-11 of the French penal code in this case), it is something worth
> sharing
> >> (no
> >> > harm intended).
> >> >
> >> > Further reading in English:
> >> > *  *
> 
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Tomasz W. Kozłowski
> >> > a.k.a. [[user:odder]]
> >> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of a Wikipedia article

2013-04-05 Thread Fred Bauder 
Typical. They were not willing to tell our legal counsel why or what was
classified; she, of course, has no French security clearance; now it is
spread all over an administrators noticeboard, and restored.

They weren't wrong but neither is our legal counsel or the users; so
"fell between the cracks." Hopefully the matter was not too important;
I'm sure we have enough money to pay for relocating the facility to a
secure location.

Fred

> This is where the discussion is happening on-wiki:
> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Bulletin_des_administrateurs#Secret_d.C3.A9fense
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Fred Bauder 
wrote:
>
>> Hard to know what was involved from the information you provide. The
problem is there is classified information that amounts to nothing and
then there is classified information release of which can cause
serious damage. Defiance will eventually result in serious trouble.
Not that we should knuckle under to nonsense.
>>
>> Fred
>>
>> > Hi there,
>> > I guess you might be interested to hear that Direction Centrale du
Renseignement Intérieur (Central Directorate of Interior
>> Intelligence,
>> > DCRI), a French intelligence agency that reports directly to the
Ministry of the Interior, has apparently forced a French Wikipedia
administrator to delete an article that in their opinion—as I
understand it—revelead classified information deemed very harmful
>> to
>> > the French national defence ("compromission du secret de la Défense
nationale").
>> >
>> > Interestingly, they contacted the WMF legal team with a request to
remove (delete? suppress?) this article a couple of weeks before
>> that,
>> > but were refused after failing to provide further information on why
the article should be removed (in the words of a Foundation legal
counsel).
>> >
>> > Undounted by that, they approached the said administrator — who
operates under his real name, so I guess it was pretty easy to track
him — and asked him to delete this article, a request which he
obliged. (The article has since been restored by a different
>> > administrator). As far as I understand, the version of the article
they wanted to have deleted was
>> > .
>> >
>> > I guess that when an intelligence agency asks their citizen to
remove information from Wikipedia citing the penal code (article
413-11 of the French penal code in this case), it is something worth
sharing
>> (no
>> > harm intended).
>> >
>> > Further reading in English:
>> > *  *

>> >
>> > --
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>> > a.k.a. [[user:odder]]
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of a Wikipedia article

2013-04-05 Thread Manuel Schneider 
Am 05.04.2013 20:58, schrieb Yaroslav M. Blanter:
> Do not they have Swiss, Canadian, and Balgian administrators to restore
> the article?

The article actually was restored by someone outside France.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of a Wikipedia article

2013-04-05 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter 
Do not they have Swiss, Canadian, and Balgian administrators to restore 
the article?


Cheers
Yaroslav

On 05.04.2013 19:41, Tomasz W. Kozłowski wrote:

Hi there,
I guess you might be interested to hear that Direction Centrale du
Renseignement Intérieur (Central Directorate of Interior Intelligence,
DCRI), a French intelligence agency that reports directly to the
Ministry of the Interior, has apparently forced a French Wikipedia
administrator to delete an article that in their opinion—as I
understand it—revelead classified information deemed very harmful to
the French national defence ("compromission du secret de la Défense
nationale").

Interestingly, they contacted the WMF legal team with a request to
remove (delete? suppress?) this article a couple of weeks before that,
but were refused after failing to provide further information on why
the article should be removed (in the words of a Foundation legal
counsel).

Undounted by that, they approached the said administrator — who
operates under his real name, so I guess it was pretty easy to track
him — and asked him to delete this article, a request which he
obliged. (The article has since been restored by a different
administrator). As far as I understand, the version of the article
they wanted to have deleted was
.

I guess that when an intelligence agency asks their citizen to remove
information from Wikipedia citing the penal code (article 413-11 of
the French penal code in this case), it is something worth sharing (no
harm intended).

Further reading in English:
* 
* 


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of a Wikipedia article

2013-04-05 Thread Matthew Roth 
This is where the discussion is happening on-wiki:
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Bulletin_des_administrateurs#Secret_d.C3.A9fense


On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Fred Bauder  wrote:

> Hard to know what was involved from the information you provide. The
> problem is there is classified information that amounts to nothing and
> then there is classified information release of which can cause serious
> damage. Defiance will eventually result in serious trouble. Not that we
> should knuckle under to nonsense.
>
> Fred
>
> > Hi there,
> > I guess you might be interested to hear that Direction Centrale du
> > Renseignement Intérieur (Central Directorate of Interior Intelligence,
> > DCRI), a French intelligence agency that reports directly to the
> > Ministry of the Interior, has apparently forced a French Wikipedia
> > administrator to delete an article that in their opinion—as I
> > understand it—revelead classified information deemed very harmful to
> > the French national defence ("compromission du secret de la Défense
> > nationale").
> >
> > Interestingly, they contacted the WMF legal team with a request to
> > remove (delete? suppress?) this article a couple of weeks before that,
> > but were refused after failing to provide further information on why
> > the article should be removed (in the words of a Foundation legal
> > counsel).
> >
> > Undounted by that, they approached the said administrator — who
> > operates under his real name, so I guess it was pretty easy to track
> > him — and asked him to delete this article, a request which he
> > obliged. (The article has since been restored by a different
> > administrator). As far as I understand, the version of the article
> > they wanted to have deleted was
> > .
> >
> > I guess that when an intelligence agency asks their citizen to remove
> > information from Wikipedia citing the penal code (article 413-11 of
> > the French penal code in this case), it is something worth sharing (no
> > harm intended).
> >
> > Further reading in English:
> > * 
> > * 
> >
> > --
> > Tomasz W. Kozłowski
> > a.k.a. [[user:odder]]
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of a Wikipedia article

2013-04-05 Thread Fred Bauder 
Hard to know what was involved from the information you provide. The
problem is there is classified information that amounts to nothing and
then there is classified information release of which can cause serious
damage. Defiance will eventually result in serious trouble. Not that we
should knuckle under to nonsense.

Fred

> Hi there,
> I guess you might be interested to hear that Direction Centrale du
> Renseignement Intérieur (Central Directorate of Interior Intelligence,
> DCRI), a French intelligence agency that reports directly to the
> Ministry of the Interior, has apparently forced a French Wikipedia
> administrator to delete an article that in their opinion—as I
> understand it—revelead classified information deemed very harmful to
> the French national defence ("compromission du secret de la Défense
> nationale").
>
> Interestingly, they contacted the WMF legal team with a request to
> remove (delete? suppress?) this article a couple of weeks before that,
> but were refused after failing to provide further information on why
> the article should be removed (in the words of a Foundation legal
> counsel).
>
> Undounted by that, they approached the said administrator — who
> operates under his real name, so I guess it was pretty easy to track
> him — and asked him to delete this article, a request which he
> obliged. (The article has since been restored by a different
> administrator). As far as I understand, the version of the article
> they wanted to have deleted was
> .
>
> I guess that when an intelligence agency asks their citizen to remove
> information from Wikipedia citing the penal code (article 413-11 of
> the French penal code in this case), it is something worth sharing (no
> harm intended).
>
> Further reading in English:
> * 
> * 
>
> --
> Tomasz W. Kozłowski
> a.k.a. [[user:odder]]
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[Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of a Wikipedia article

2013-04-05 Thread Tomasz W . Kozłowski 
Hi there,
I guess you might be interested to hear that Direction Centrale du
Renseignement Intérieur (Central Directorate of Interior Intelligence,
DCRI), a French intelligence agency that reports directly to the
Ministry of the Interior, has apparently forced a French Wikipedia
administrator to delete an article that in their opinion—as I
understand it—revelead classified information deemed very harmful to
the French national defence ("compromission du secret de la Défense
nationale").

Interestingly, they contacted the WMF legal team with a request to
remove (delete? suppress?) this article a couple of weeks before that,
but were refused after failing to provide further information on why
the article should be removed (in the words of a Foundation legal
counsel).

Undounted by that, they approached the said administrator — who
operates under his real name, so I guess it was pretty easy to track
him — and asked him to delete this article, a request which he
obliged. (The article has since been restored by a different
administrator). As far as I understand, the version of the article
they wanted to have deleted was
.

I guess that when an intelligence agency asks their citizen to remove
information from Wikipedia citing the penal code (article 413-11 of
the French penal code in this case), it is something worth sharing (no
harm intended).

Further reading in English:
* 
* 

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a.k.a. [[user:odder]]

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[Wikimedia-l] Jointly they edit

2013-04-05 Thread Виктория 
Greetings, everybody

This PLoS One paper about Wikipedia community had been cited by the
traditional press:

Jessica J. Neff, David Laniado,  Karolin E. Kappler, Yana Volkovich, Pablo
Aragón, Andreas Kaltenbrunner

*Jointly They Edit: Examining the Impact of Community Identification on
Political Interaction in Wikipedia*

Our results indicate that users who proclaim their political affiliation
within the community tend to proclaim their identity as a ‘Wikipedian’ even
more loudly. It seems that the shared identity of ‘being Wikipedian’ may be
strong enough to triumph over other potentially divisive facets of personal
identity, such as political affiliation.

Regards
Victoria
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[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] The Signpost -- Volume 9, Issue 13 -- 01 April 2013

2013-04-05 Thread Wikipedia Signpost 
Special report: Who reads which Wikipedia? The WMF's surprising stats
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-04-01/Special_report

News and notes: Funding for the Wikipedia Library and six other projects; April 
Fool's Day ructions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-04-01/News_and_notes

Featured content: What the ''?''
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-04-01/Featured_content

WikiProject report: Special: FAQs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-04-01/WikiProject_report

Arbitration report: Three open cases
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-04-01/Arbitration_report

Technology report: Wikidata phase 2 deployment timetable in doubt
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-04-01/Technology_report


Single page view
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signpost/Single

PDF version
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-04-01


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[Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Esperanto kaj Libera Scio as user group

2013-04-05 Thread Bence Damokos 
Hi all,

I am happy to inform you that the Affiliations Committee has recognized a
new Wikimedia User Group yesterday:  Esperanto kaj Libera
Scio(Esperanto
and free knowledge).

Please give them a warm welcome.

Some background information follows:

== Esperanto kaj Libera Scio ==

Esperanto kaj Libera
Scio is
a group of Wikimedians who speak Esperanto. Their focus is to unite
Esperanto speaking persons who  edit Wikipedia and other Wikimedia
projects, or want to support Free Knowledge in other ways.

Its activities include among others participating at Esperanto language
events promoting Wikimedia projects, organizing Wikimedia workshops, trying
to recruit new volunteers and technical cooperation on creating a
translation gadget for the Esperanto Wikipedia.

The Affiliations Committee's recognition is valid until 30 April 2014.


== Wikimedia User Groups ==

Wikimedia User Groups are one of the three new types of affiliations
created last year to empower volunteers wanting to conduct offline work.

User group status is meant to be an easy form of affiliation, where the
main requirements are an agreed goal, plans for offline work, at least
three people participating and a public wiki page with all the relevant
information).
User groups are by default non-incorporated, although they may choose to
incorporate (this is not the case with this  group).
One of the requirements of the status, and especially of its renewal is to
publish a short report of activities at least once a year.

Under the movement roles
recommendations
, user groups are to be recognized in a quick and easy process directly by
the Affiliations Committee, for a fixed, renewable time-period and they are
to enjoy limited trademark use and simplified access to grants.


Best regards,
Bence Damokos
Chair, Affiliatons Committee
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure

2013-04-05 Thread MZMcBride 
Erik Moeller wrote:
>On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 7:49 PM, MZMcBride  wrote:
>> Sue or Erik: is there any update on this e-mail from November 2012? (Or
>> some place interested folks should be watching for news?)
>
>In addition to the original note from November, please also see Sue's
>follow-up restructure announcement from December, which made explicit
>that the decision to split the engineering/product department was
>deferred for now:
>
>http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2012-December/122971.html
>
>[...]

Thank you very much for the insightful update. Much appreciated. :-)

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[Wikimedia-l] [Language Engineering] Office hour on 10th April 2013 at 1700 UTC/1000 PDT

2013-04-05 Thread Runa Bhattacharjee 
*

Hello,


The Wikimedia Language Engineering team [1] invites everyone to join the
team’s monthly office hour on April 10, 2013. We have some exciting updates
about our ongoing projects, some of which have also been shared in our
recent blog posts[2]. During this session we would like to walk through
some of them. The team would also like to introduce a new outreach program
which was mentioned in the last office hour held on 13th March 2013 [3].
 Event details and the general agenda is mentioned below.

See you all at the IRC office hour!

regards

Runa

Event Details:

==

Date: 2013-04-10 (Wednesday)

Time: 1700 UTC, 1000 PDT

IRC channel: #wikimedia-office on irc.freenode.net


Agenda:


   1.

   Introductions
   2.

   Translate UX - Deployment and other news
   3.

   Language Mavens - an outreach initiative with the Wikimedia language
   communities
   4.

   MediaWiki Language Extension Bundle (MLEB) Release
   5.

   Q/A - We shall be taking questions during the session. Questions can
   also be sent to runa at wikimedia dot org  before
   the event and can be addressed during the office-hour.




[1] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Language_Engineering_team

[2]
http://blog.wikimedia.org/c/technology/features/internationalization-and-localization/

[3] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours/Office_hours_2013-03-13
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