Re: [Wikimedia-l] The case for supporting open source machine translation
Thanks to Jane for introducing CoSyne. But I feel all the wikis do not want to be synchronized to certain wikis. Rather than having identical articles, I hope they would have their own articles. I hope I could have two more tabs at right of the 'Article' and 'Talk' on English Wikipedia for Korean language. The two tabs are 'Article in Korean' and 'Talk in Korean'. The translations would have same information in originals and any editing on an article or a talk in translation pages would go back to the originals. In this case they need to be synchronized precisely. I mean these are done in the scope of English Wikipedia, not related to Korean Wikipedia. But the Korean Wikipedia linked to the left side of a page would be benefited from the translations in English Wikipedia eventually when an Korean Wikipedia editor find a good part of English Wikipedia article could be inserted to Korean Wikipedia. You can find the merits of the exact Korean translation of English Wikipedia or the scheme of the exact translation of big Wikipedias. It will help you reach to more potential contributors. It will make the language barrier lower for those who want to contribute to a Wikipedia they do not speak very well. Also, It could provide the better aligned corpora and it could could track how human translators or reviewers improve the translations. Cheol On 2013. 4. 26., at 오후 9:04, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote: We already have the translation options on the left side of the screen in any Wikipedia article. This choice is generally a smattering of languages, and a long term goal for many small-language Wikipedias is to be able to translate an article from related languages (say from Dutch into Frisian, where the Frisian Wikipedia has no article at all on the title subject) and the even longer-term goal is to translate into some other really-really-really foreign language. Wouldn't it be easier however, to start with a project that uses translatewiki and the related-language pairs? Usually there is a big difference in numbers of articles (like between the Dutch Wikipedia and the Frisian Wikipedia). Presumably the demand is larger on the destination wikipedia (because there are fewer articles in those languages), and the potential number of human translators is larger (because most editors active in the smaller Wikipedia are versed in both langages). The Dutch Wikimedia chapter took part in a European multilingual synchronization tool project called CoSyne: http://cosyne.eu/index.php/Main_Page It was not a success, because it was hard to figure out how this would be beneficial to Wikipedians actually joining the project. Some funding that was granted to the chapter to work on the project will be returned, because it was never spent. In order to tackle this problem on a large scale, it needs to be broken down into words, sentences, paragraphs and perhaps other structures (category trees?). I think CoSyne was trying to do this. I think it would be easier to keep the effort in one-way-traffic, so try to offer machine translation from Dutch to Frisian and not the other way around, and then as you go, define concepts that work both ways, so that eventually it would be possible to translated from Frisian into Dutch. 2013/4/26, Mathieu Stumpf psychosl...@culture-libre.org: Le 2013-04-25 20:56, Theo10011 a écrit : As far as Linguistic typology goes, it's far too unique and too varied to have a language independent form develop as easily. Perhaps it also depends on the perspective. For example, the majority of people commenting here (Americans, Europeans) might have exposure to a limited set of a linguistic branch. Machine-translations as someone pointed out, are still not preferred in some languages, even with years of research and potentially unlimited resources at Google's disposal, they still come out sounding clunky in some ways. And perhaps they will never get to the level of absolute, where they are truly language independent. To my mind, there's no such thing as absolute meaning. It's all about intrepretation in a given a context by a given interpreter. I mean, I do think that MT could probably be as good as a profesional translators. But even profesional translators can't make perfect translations. I already gave the example of poetry, but you may also take example of humour, which ask for some cultural background, otherwise you have to explain why it's funny and you know that you have to explain a joke, it's not a joke. If you read some of the discussions in linguistic relativity (Sapir-Whorf hypothesis), there is research to suggest that a language a person is born with dictates their thought processes and their view of the world - there might not be absolutes when it comes to linguistic cognition. There is something inherently unique in the cognitive patterns of different languages. That's just how learning
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Train Wikiexpedition in Poland
I thinkk that it's a reallay good idea. Personally I invited Polish people to share their experience of wikiexpeditions and I think that this opportunity may be a real way to spread it. regards On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Tomasz Ganicz polime...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, We are about to organize a wikiexpedition devoted to train infrastructure in Poland. It will be officially co-organised with Polish Railways. Polish Railways will provide us free tickets for traveling across Poland using any trains and special passes to legally enter and photograph rail tracks, workshops, rail yards, cargo railway stations, museums belonging to Polish Railways etc. In order to get the pass it will be obligatory to undergo a special basic one-day railtrack safety training which will be provided for free by Polish Railways employees. Actually we don't know what time it will happen - for sure during summer, but it is actually to negotiate. It is possible to have several 2-4 people teams. The requirements will be just: *being devoted wiki-photographer ready to submit photos to Wikimedia Commons under free licences *being highly crazy about railways stuff - i.e. be ready to travel across Poland using mainly slow, local trains which stops on every tiny station, sleep in low cost hostels, feed yourself for 32 PLN a day :-) *You don't need to speak Polish - we can try to organize a mixed teams fro both training and expeditions. If there is anyone ready for such a wiki-safari - just drop me an E-mail... -- Tomek Polimerek Ganicz http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Polimerek http://www.ganicz.pl/poli/ http://www.cbmm.lodz.pl/work.php?id=29title=tomasz-ganicz ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Ilario Valdelli Wikimedia CH Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera Switzerland - 8008 Zürich Tel: +41764821371 http://www.wikimedia.ch ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [org] Reunió comunitària pel xat
Em sembla que no ho has enviat a la llista adequada :) -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore 2013/4/27 Arnau Duran arnaudu...@gmail.com Hem convocat una nova reunió oberta a tothom via IRC per l'*1 de maig a les 22h*. Hi esteu tots convidats. apunt a Viquimedia.cathttp://www.viquimedia.cat/viqui/Apunt:Reuni%C3%B3_al_xat_de_la_Viquip%C3%A8dia *Arnau Duran Ferrero *arnaudu...@gmail.com | www.arnauduran.net Telèfon personal: (+34) 696475418 [image: Facebook] http://www.facebook.com/arnauduran [image: Twitter]http://www.twitter.com/arnauduran [image: LinkedIn] http://www.linkedin.com/in/arnauduran [image: Google Plus]https://plus.google.com/111957640098898266818 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [org] Reunió comunitària pel xat
That's true. My apologies :) anyway since I sent it let me explain, we (Amical) are having a monthly meeting with Catalan Wikipedia community editors via IRC chat. I think it's a good practice that you all can put in practice in your respective wikis. Sorry again! El 27 d’abril de 2013 17.17, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.ilha escrit: Em sembla que no ho has enviat a la llista adequada :) -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore 2013/4/27 Arnau Duran arnaudu...@gmail.com Hem convocat una nova reunió oberta a tothom via IRC per l'*1 de maig a les 22h*. Hi esteu tots convidats. apunt a Viquimedia.cat http://www.viquimedia.cat/viqui/Apunt:Reuni%C3%B3_al_xat_de_la_Viquip%C3%A8dia *Arnau Duran Ferrero *arnaudu...@gmail.com | www.arnauduran.net Telèfon personal: (+34) 696475418 [image: Facebook] http://www.facebook.com/arnauduran [image: Twitter]http://www.twitter.com/arnauduran [image: LinkedIn] http://www.linkedin.com/in/arnauduran [image: Google Plus]https://plus.google.com/111957640098898266818 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] Why not everyone have the right to vote in the Board FDC elections?
As you know, the Wikimedia Foundation elections is approaching. As always, the voters will be the community, developers, current board member and.. WMF staff and contractors. Nothing changed. same as two years ago. But I wonder - we had this policy when the chapters and others recognized Wikimedia organization doesn't been really part of the equation. Yes, many of the chapters board and staff are community members and have the right the vote - but this is also the case with many of the WMF employees, but still we giving some of them the right to vote even if they hardly ever edit on the projects. But we not giving the same right to our's board and chapters staff, who are also part of the movement. I'm raising this issue, and asking if should chapter (and thematic organization) staff and board members should be granted the right to vote in the movement elections, in the same way as Foundation staff and board members have right now? To me it's making sense. Itzik WMIL ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why not everyone have the right to vote in the Board FDC elections?
I would go the other way, and limit the participants in the election for the community seat to people who are members of the volunteer community. Presumably that would include most members of most organizational boards, but only include those staff and other paid workers who also participate as volunteers. Most chapter members and representatives participate not only in the community elections but also in the selection of chapter-nominated board seats. It doesn't seem like chapters as a group are at all disenfranchised. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Train Wikiexpedition in Poland
Am 26.04.2013 19:05, schrieb Fae: Polish Railways will provide us free tickets excellent negotiation! Hey, train enthusiasts everywhere else (including the UK and USA) here is an incredibly tough target for the rest of us to try and beat. :-D In Switzerland 90% of the population has a General Abonnement anyway, so they don't care about tickets at all (for trains, busses, trams, funiculars...) :-P -- Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Lausanne, +41 (21) 34066-22 - www.wikimedia.ch ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why not everyone have the right to vote in the Board FDC elections?
Nathan, 27/04/2013 21:34: I would go the other way, and limit the participants in the election for the community seat to people who are members of the volunteer community. Presumably that would include most members of most organizational boards, but only include those staff and other paid workers who also participate as volunteers. I agree with Nathan, simplifying the rules is useful while complicating them for a few dozens voters is not. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] New design for the list info page?
Thehelpfulone, 17/04/2013 22:30: Last week I noticed a nice design for the list info page of the WLM-US mailing list that I tweaked for this mailing list: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/cabal-l I don't quite get the point of this style, is it about adding the Wikimedia vision in top left corner? Sounds unnecessary. I vote against everything that 1) is not consistent across all lists, 2) adds one page down key to get to the options. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Train Wikiexpedition in Poland
hahaha ... sure. about 400'000 of these are sold for 3000 eur every year, having a population of 8'000'000. and this number includes the ones used by people not living in switzerland like yours as well ;) rupert. On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Manuel Schneider manuel.schnei...@wikimedia.ch wrote: Am 26.04.2013 19:05, schrieb Fae: Polish Railways will provide us free tickets excellent negotiation! Hey, train enthusiasts everywhere else (including the UK and USA) here is an incredibly tough target for the rest of us to try and beat. :-D In Switzerland 90% of the population has a General Abonnement anyway, so they don't care about tickets at all (for trains, busses, trams, funiculars...) :-P -- Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Lausanne, +41 (21) 34066-22 - www.wikimedia.ch ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMIL new Executive Director
Itzik Edri, 09/04/2013 21:58: Meet Dorit Shafir Dyamant: Over the last decade she mainly worked at NGO's in a variety of roles: from marketing through projects management and producing conferences. She have MA degree in nonprofit management from the Hebrew University in Jerusalem and B.A in literature and comparative philosophy from University of Haifa. As a student at the Hebrew University, she founded and produced for 6 years the project Words and poets' - an open evenings meetings for young poets. [...] She also told us more about it at http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/wmconf2013-keep-volunteers-active I'm seeing a good integration of experiences from inside and outside Wikimedia going on, very nice. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia CH staff changes in 2013
Thomas Dalton, 10/04/2013 18:05: According to the UK Charity Commission we are in the case where Ilario has had no significant involvement with the trustees’ decision to create or retain the post, or with any material aspect of the recruitment process It isn't written very clearly, but from context I am confident that those bullet points are intended to be an and not an or. Nevertheless, voting on the plan which included creating these posts is significant involvement. By this logic, we should exclude all members (a rule I voted for in some other cases, but not necessarily appropriate here). There are several possible issues and countermeasures here but yours doesn't seem the most relevant to me. Resigning before a decision in COI is rarely an effective measure. Resigning with smart timing can easily be a more subtle and effective way to gain an advantage over someone else. Or how about a board member directly discussing and approving a process/framework for hiring an ED and then applying for said ED position? Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why not everyone have the right to vote in the Board FDC elections?
Also agree with Nathan. Those chapter board members who are not active on the projects already have a far greater relative weight in selecting the chapter-selected board seats. A. On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote: Nathan, 27/04/2013 21:34: I would go the other way, and limit the participants in the election for the community seat to people who are members of the volunteer community. Presumably that would include most members of most organizational boards, but only include those staff and other paid workers who also participate as volunteers. I agree with Nathan, simplifying the rules is useful while complicating them for a few dozens voters is not. Nemo __**_ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.**org Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Asaf Bartov Wikimedia Foundation http://www.wikimediafoundation.org Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! https://donate.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] Google Summer of Code 2013 - Project Proposal (Centralized Search Engine)
Hello, I have proposed a project to WikiMedia through Google Summer of Code 2013 internship program. The project is based on Central Search Engine having capability to bind all the WikiMedia services till the date and showing the results of search term on a common place with best possible results being searched and sorted. I have prepared synopsis on what the project is and how it is going to be dealt. Its a tentative schedule so pardon any amateurish behavior I might have reflected. The link for the official proposal is : http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/code_sid/1 The link for my mediawiki user page is : http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Code_sid The link for bugzilla report is : https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47775#c0 Kindly visit all the stuff and do let me know if there is anything I have left out in the process. -- Siddhartha Garg ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: Jan Eissfeldt joins Wikimedia Foundation as Community Advocate
Yep. Meta. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Legal_and_Community_Advocacy/LCA_Announcement — Philippe Beaudette Director, Community Advocacy Wikimedia Foundation, Inc On Apr 27, 2013, at 1:12 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Philippe Beaudette, 25/04/2013 22:39: The community advocacy team, you may recall, is an attempt to shore up the Foundation's knowledge of non-English speaking projects [...] Never heard this claim before, is it documented anywhere? Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why not everyone have the right to vote in the Board FDC elections?
also agree to simplify the rules. what i'd really love would be to better standardize and with it simplify volunteer community, for all elections and votes. and at least my wish would be that people who donate their time by sending code patches to software considered essential to run the site are included. rupert. On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 11:49 PM, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote: Also agree with Nathan. Those chapter board members who are not active on the projects already have a far greater relative weight in selecting the chapter-selected board seats. A. On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote: Nathan, 27/04/2013 21:34: I would go the other way, and limit the participants in the election for the community seat to people who are members of the volunteer community. Presumably that would include most members of most organizational boards, but only include those staff and other paid workers who also participate as volunteers. I agree with Nathan, simplifying the rules is useful while complicating them for a few dozens voters is not. Nemo __**_ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.**org Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Asaf Bartov Wikimedia Foundation http://www.wikimediafoundation.org Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! https://donate.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
