Re: [Wikimedia-l] [tangential] Why voting is evil

[Marc A. Pelletier]

On 07/01/2013 06:38 AM, David Gerard wrote:
> tl;dr: voting creates winners and losers, and losers are unhappy and 
> disengage.

That piece is somewhat thought provoking, but amusingly naive.  It
starts from the presumption that individual decisions cannot impact the
movement or the collective objectives negatively, or that there isn't a
collective work whose nature is altered by individual action.

In other words, it advocates empowerment by presuming that individuals
cannot make a difference.  :-)

-- Marc


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [tangential] Why voting is evil

[David Gerard]

On 2 July 2013 16:04, Marc A. Pelletier  wrote:

> That piece is somewhat thought provoking, but amusingly naive.


He claims this is how he did the Pirate Party, so you appear to be
claiming that a successful minor political party may work in practice
but can't possibly work in theory. Or that he's utterly naive about
how they succeeded, but that isn't something one commonly says about
politicians.


- d.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [tangential] Why voting is evil

[Fred Bauder]

> On 07/02/2013 11:13 AM, David Gerard wrote:
>> He claims this is how he did the Pirate Party, so you appear to be
>> claiming that a successful minor political party may work in practice
>> but can't possibly work in theory.
>
> I suppose.  :-)  I'm surprised it did work; if it actually did it this
> way.  That said, I'm not familiar enough with how a political party
> works to estimate how that would have impacted this kind of organization.
>
> What we are, ultimately, is a commons.  Without a process by which we
> /can/ limit what others can do (something he advocates against) we are
> doomed to the tragedy others have written about more eloquently than I
> can.
>
> In other words, while voting may not be the best way to manage a common
> garden, the ability to prevent someone from salting the ground -- no
> matter how convinced they are that this will make for better tasting
> vegetables -- is required.  I'm surprised something along those lines
> doesn't apply to a political party (where, for instance image, is an
> important shared resource.  What would the Pirate Party have done if
> someone had started to bomb busses in their name without some mechanism
> of exclusion or a process to decide whether that was an apropriate thing
> to do for the party?)
>
> -- Marc

Well, how would Marx feel? in the light of history.

Fred


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [tangential] Why voting is evil

[Marc A. Pelletier]

On 07/02/2013 11:13 AM, David Gerard wrote:
> He claims this is how he did the Pirate Party, so you appear to be
> claiming that a successful minor political party may work in practice
> but can't possibly work in theory.

I suppose.  :-)  I'm surprised it did work; if it actually did it this
way.  That said, I'm not familiar enough with how a political party
works to estimate how that would have impacted this kind of organization.

What we are, ultimately, is a commons.  Without a process by which we
/can/ limit what others can do (something he advocates against) we are
doomed to the tragedy others have written about more eloquently than I can.

In other words, while voting may not be the best way to manage a common
garden, the ability to prevent someone from salting the ground -- no
matter how convinced they are that this will make for better tasting
vegetables -- is required.  I'm surprised something along those lines
doesn't apply to a political party (where, for instance image, is an
important shared resource.  What would the Pirate Party have done if
someone had started to bomb busses in their name without some mechanism
of exclusion or a process to decide whether that was an apropriate thing
to do for the party?)

-- Marc


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[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Nederland report for May

[Sandra Rientjes Wikimedia Nederland]

The Wikimedia Nederland activity report for May is available. (June to
follow shortly) :

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters/Reports/Wikimedia_Nederland/201305

It is also included as text in this message.

*COMMUNITY: supporting and mobilising volunteers and editors*

* *· Amsterdam Hackathon

149 participants from 31 countries came to Amsterdam for the Hackathon in
late May. Technologists taught and attended sessions on how to write and
run a bot, use the new Lua templating language, how to move from Toolserver
to the new Wikimedia Labs, design, Wikidata, security, and the basics of
Git and Gerrit. The Amsterdam Hackathon was the best attended event in the
history of the Hackathon so far. Check out the workshops
page
for
slides, tutorials, and other reference material. So far, 90 participants
have submitted the post-event survey and results are largely positive, with
(of course) several suggestions for improvements.


*WORK: content, collaboration and activity development*

   - Europeana Fashion Editathon

Centraal Museum Utrecht and The Netherlands Institute for Sound and Vision,
two partners of the Europeana Fashion project, organised a fashion themed
edit-a-thon in cooperation with Wikimedia Nederland and ModeMuze. The goal
of the edit-a-thon was to improve the information and visibility of fashion
articles on the Dutch Wikipedia The day started with a general introduction
about Wikimedia projects and editing Wikipedia pages. 37 participants (many
of them first time contributors and many of them women) edited, translated
or created 27 pages in total. More information: Project
information
(Dutch)
and 
Photos
of
the edit-a-thon

   - Wikipedian(s) in Residence

The National Archives of The Netherlands (NA) and the National Library of
The Netherlands (KB) started the recruitment process for the first Dutch
Wikipedian in Residence (WiR). The group of Special Scientific Libraries
will start looking for two more WiR's later this year. Currently there is
one more project in preparation for WiR's. The expectation is that there
will be 3 to 4 Dutch WiR's by the end of the year.

   - Wiki loves libraries

The project Wiki loves Libraries has been given a new impulse after an
inactive period. Wiki loves bieb is a project of the Public Library and
Wikimedia Nederland (WMNL) to promote the use of and improve the quality of
articles on Wikipedia. A brainstorm session will be organised in August by
BiSC Utrecht and WMNL to make an inventory of activities in the province
Utrecht for 2014. Possibly these activities will also take place in the
provinces Zeeland, Friesland, Noord-Holland and Zuid-Holland.



*WMNL: participation and support*

   - Brainstorming on participation and communication

On May 4, members, board & staff of Wikimedia Nederland met with
researchers from Motivaction to discuss how the results of the survey
Motivaction carried out  among
the Netherlands Wikimedia community will be translated into action. The
meeting resulted in new ideas on how to increase participation and
communicate the WIkimedia message.

   - Another issue of the
newsletter was
   published.



*RESOURCES: Strong and sustainable financial position*

· WMNL submitted a request for funding to organise activities in
the city The Hague, within the framework of Wiki Loves Monuments. We are
awaiting the outcome of our application.



*ORGANISATION: board, management and support*[

· Tom Kisters joined the WMNL office on May 1 as staff member for
finances and office management.





Sandra Rientjes
Directeur/Executive Director Wikimedia Nederland

tel. (+31) (0)6  31786379

*Postadres*: * Bezoekadres:*
Postbus 167Mariaplaats 3
3500 AD  Utrecht Utrecht
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [tangential] Why voting is evil

[Marc A. Pelletier]

On 07/02/2013 11:42 AM, Fred Bauder wrote:
> Well, how would Marx feel?

I'm pretty sure Marx also qualifies as "amusingly naive", for much the
same reasons.  :-)

-- Marc


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