Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?
Steven Walling steven.walling@... writes: On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Erik Moeller erik at wikimedia.org wrote: On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Steven Walling swalling at wikimedia.org wrote: On July 11th at the next WMF Metrics Activities meeting, myself, Erik Möller, Howie Fung, Maryana Pinchuk, and Dario Taraborelli are going to deliver a short update on the state of Wikimedia editor communities. (For those not familiar: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Metrics_and_activities_meetings) This presentation will be at the meeting in 30 minutes. Don't worry if you're interested but can't make it; the meeting will be recorded. The video is at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALT8_Toyc0g now. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l at lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request at lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe Thanks for posting the video. My thoughts below went longer than I expected, so I'll start with a tl;dr. TL;DR: more is not always better in encyclopedia-building; please include more analysis of the old-timers in your stats; the drama issues could probably use a little bit of attention; find and help the community engage the editors who interface with newbies; Wikiproject Med has tried to work on recruiting scientists - a good idea; on curation and quality control, we could use edit metadata; and please slow down and show you're actually listening when it comes to Visual Editor. 1. Mixing up the gender and geographical distribution is a lofty and laudable goal, but you may want to be a little careful of neglecting your base. I also agree with a later comment that a high male ratio could negatively affect the discussion process, which tends to be quite testy in a few different ways, so more women could have beneficial side effects. However, there are also risks when you change Wikipedia's population: for example, if editing became mainstream in America Wikipedia's secular-humanist/rational slant could be significantly eroded. I don't think it is a big risk but it's something to keep in mind. 2. I was disappointed to hear that the analysis of active editors focused on editors with 5+ edits/month. I'd like to see a stratified breakdown and it seems like it wouldn't be hard to do. This plays into the caution above that not much attention is paid to the long-term regulars, although the presenter alluded to earlier research showing their staying power. I've been following this list for maybe a month or two now and I'm a little surprised that little to none of the regular wiki drama seems to leak out and that the metrics made no mention of the drama. I'm sort of glad that there is little drama in this world, but I hope it's not ignorance. For example, the English wiki has been a bit more dramatic lately with some high-profile admin and editor resignations leaving and concerns about unfair processes (e.g., SMcCandlish). Some of it is just interpersonal and maybe it's not different than usual, but it would be nice to have more than anecdotal observations. There's also reoccurring controversies about civility enforcement (I rarely bother to weigh in, but I believe in enforcing civility). I think there might be a role for the Foundation in researching these types of issues and streamlining some of the tools. 3. I agree that user experience is poor and I agree with all 5 points listed in the reasons for stagnation. Poor social interaction is particularly serious. Maybe there is something being done that I'm unaware of but as a first start I would try to identify the editors who have a lot interaction with new users and try to communicate with them. I'm not one of those users; in the rare case that I see a promising new editor in my areas I welcome, but I have never left a template without adding a short personal note afterwards (the welcome template of Twinkle has no field for an optional message, so it takes a little extra work). However, just today I noticed that a newbie I mentored a little and who made significant improvements to the PPACA (Obamacare) got hit by speedy image deletion templates with scary you may be blocked bolded messages and no personal touch, even though the images may well have been just fine. The templater probably templates a lot of people and could use some mentoring, although how to approach that in a polite manner is its own challenge (I gave him my 2 cents). This is also an area where the community could develop yet more rules (oh fun!) to rein in those who interface with new users. 4. On campaigns and editathons, I know the WikiProject Medicine, mainly through Doc James, had been trying to engage with biomedical scientists and doctors. This type of outreach is particularly nice because these are exactly the type of smart and mature people you'd like to see building an encyclopedia. We've also seen
[Wikimedia-l] Staff Images
Hi, While its maybe not something for the whole community. Since only Staff can edit Wikimedia Foundation website I believe this will be the correct place to post this. I feel that the staff images on the Foundation site should show the staff in a good way where nobody can have a problem with it. The images being made by professionals for that. I believe the image Brandon Harris is using since this night is not suitable for a staff picture. The ink he is showing can discourage people and the picture is all but neutral. Secondly he isn't even really on the picture his is faded out. I would strongly advice to keep the images there proffesional. Ed ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] The Signpost -- Volume 9, Issue 27 -- 10 July 2013
News and notes: Wikimedia Board appoints world expert in women's issues, global south http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-07-10/News_and_notes Op-ed: It's time to stop pretending the English-language Wikinews is a viable project http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-07-10/Op-ed Dispatches: Infoboxes: time for a fresh look? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-07-10/Dispatches Traffic report: Most-viewed articles of the week http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-07-10/Traffic_report Discussion report: Featured article process governance, signature templates, and more http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-07-10/Discussion_report WikiProject report: Not Jimbo: WikiProject Wales http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-07-10/WikiProject_report Featured content: The week of the birds http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-07-10/Featured_content Single page view http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signpost/Single PDF version http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-07-10 http://identi.ca/wikisignpost / https://twitter.com/wikisignpost -- Wikipedia Signpost Staff http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost ___ Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately directed to Wikimedia-l, the public mailing list of the Wikimedia community. For more information about Wikimedia-l: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ WikimediaAnnounce-l mailing list wikimediaannounc...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaannounce-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images
Hi, a few things... On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Eddy Paine bloggin...@outlook.com wrote: Hi, While its maybe not something for the whole community. Since only Staff can edit Wikimedia Foundation website I believe this will be the correct place to post this. There are volunteers that can also edit the Wikimedia Foundation website. Such accounts can be requested at [[m:WMFACCOUNT]]. Also, the (more) correct place to post this is to create a section at [[m:FWF]] so that people with accounts on the Wikimedia Foundation wiki can look into it and process your request I feel that the staff images on the Foundation site should show the staff in a good way where nobody can have a problem with it. The images being made by professionals for that. I believe the image Brandon Harris is using since this night is not suitable for a staff picture. The ink he is showing can discourage people and the picture is all but neutral. Secondly he isn't even really on the picture his is faded out. I would strongly advice to keep the images there proffesional. I would agree with this, the new picture fades his face out, which would defeat the purpose of properly identifying the person in particular. I am going to let someone else change it though :) Ed ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Regards, Hydriz Be social, follow/add me: Facebook: http://tinyurl.com/hydrizfb Google+: http://tinyurl.com/hydrizgl Twitter: @hydrizwiki ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images
I don't see any problem with it. I'm not sure how it is somehow more unprofessional than absentee (for lack of a better term) pictures being labeled Cloak of invisibility? Or the picture of Rory as mascot? Further, what does all but neutral mean? Really, aren't there better things to do than play morality police because someone might be upset about some ink? This isn't the 1950's. Who is upset, and why? -Dan Dan Rosenthal On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 3:16 AM, Eddy Paine bloggin...@outlook.com wrote: Hi, While its maybe not something for the whole community. Since only Staff can edit Wikimedia Foundation website I believe this will be the correct place to post this. I feel that the staff images on the Foundation site should show the staff in a good way where nobody can have a problem with it. The images being made by professionals for that. I believe the image Brandon Harris is using since this night is not suitable for a staff picture. The ink he is showing can discourage people and the picture is all but neutral. Secondly he isn't even really on the picture his is faded out. I would strongly advice to keep the images there proffesional. Ed ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images
Dan, A placeholder for people without pictures shouldn't be a problem. Thats common use. And they are all the same so thats a OK thing. The picture of Rory is a picture of Rory. It even says its a mascot and I agree with Erik we need Tux for Engineering. And no, we are not in the 1950's but as a international organisation we should still keep in mind that tattoos aren't accepted world wide. Placing your tattoo on a staff page and your face faded away is provocating the fact that he has tattoo's and not proffesional. Secondly all staff pictures are made by a professional photographer? Or kind of in the same setting. That will keep the page uniform also. Ed From: swatjes...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 04:02:56 -0400 To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images I don't see any problem with it. I'm not sure how it is somehow more unprofessional than absentee (for lack of a better term) pictures being labeled Cloak of invisibility? Or the picture of Rory as mascot? Further, what does all but neutral mean? Really, aren't there better things to do than play morality police because someone might be upset about some ink? This isn't the 1950's. Who is upset, and why? -Dan Dan Rosenthal On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 3:16 AM, Eddy Paine bloggin...@outlook.com wrote: Hi, While its maybe not something for the whole community. Since only Staff can edit Wikimedia Foundation website I believe this will be the correct place to post this. I feel that the staff images on the Foundation site should show the staff in a good way where nobody can have a problem with it. The images being made by professionals for that. I believe the image Brandon Harris is using since this night is not suitable for a staff picture. The ink he is showing can discourage people and the picture is all but neutral. Secondly he isn't even really on the picture his is faded out. I would strongly advice to keep the images there proffesional. Ed ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images
Funny thing is, at my work I'm trying to get my staff to take crazy picture for our public staff page. Pictures with stupid/crazy objects, cosplaying, playing games, etc. Because I believe my staff are not well represented by ID Card photos (those are great for passports, but to provide an insight of what we are... not so much). They're awesome people, with great personality and I want people from the outside to know it, and I want people to want to join us and knowing if they're hired they're walking into a mad house. So for one, I love Rory, and Brandon picture is just awesome. My 2 cts -- Christophe On 12 July 2013 10:18, Eddy Paine bloggin...@outlook.com wrote: Dan, A placeholder for people without pictures shouldn't be a problem. Thats common use. And they are all the same so thats a OK thing. The picture of Rory is a picture of Rory. It even says its a mascot and I agree with Erik we need Tux for Engineering. And no, we are not in the 1950's but as a international organisation we should still keep in mind that tattoos aren't accepted world wide. Placing your tattoo on a staff page and your face faded away is provocating the fact that he has tattoo's and not proffesional. Secondly all staff pictures are made by a professional photographer? Or kind of in the same setting. That will keep the page uniform also. Ed From: swatjes...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 04:02:56 -0400 To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images I don't see any problem with it. I'm not sure how it is somehow more unprofessional than absentee (for lack of a better term) pictures being labeled Cloak of invisibility? Or the picture of Rory as mascot? Further, what does all but neutral mean? Really, aren't there better things to do than play morality police because someone might be upset about some ink? This isn't the 1950's. Who is upset, and why? -Dan Dan Rosenthal On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 3:16 AM, Eddy Paine bloggin...@outlook.com wrote: Hi, While its maybe not something for the whole community. Since only Staff can edit Wikimedia Foundation website I believe this will be the correct place to post this. I feel that the staff images on the Foundation site should show the staff in a good way where nobody can have a problem with it. The images being made by professionals for that. I believe the image Brandon Harris is using since this night is not suitable for a staff picture. The ink he is showing can discourage people and the picture is all but neutral. Secondly he isn't even really on the picture his is faded out. I would strongly advice to keep the images there proffesional. Ed ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images
You realize we have a page on Tattoos that shows just how prevalent they are throughout the world, yes? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tattoo Also, I think you missed my sarcasm about Rory and the invisibility cloak. They're non-issues, just as Brandon's photo is a non-issue. -Dan Dan Rosenthal On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 4:18 AM, Eddy Paine bloggin...@outlook.com wrote: Dan, A placeholder for people without pictures shouldn't be a problem. Thats common use. And they are all the same so thats a OK thing. The picture of Rory is a picture of Rory. It even says its a mascot and I agree with Erik we need Tux for Engineering. And no, we are not in the 1950's but as a international organisation we should still keep in mind that tattoos aren't accepted world wide. Placing your tattoo on a staff page and your face faded away is provocating the fact that he has tattoo's and not proffesional. Secondly all staff pictures are made by a professional photographer? Or kind of in the same setting. That will keep the page uniform also. Ed From: swatjes...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 04:02:56 -0400 To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images I don't see any problem with it. I'm not sure how it is somehow more unprofessional than absentee (for lack of a better term) pictures being labeled Cloak of invisibility? Or the picture of Rory as mascot? Further, what does all but neutral mean? Really, aren't there better things to do than play morality police because someone might be upset about some ink? This isn't the 1950's. Who is upset, and why? -Dan Dan Rosenthal On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 3:16 AM, Eddy Paine bloggin...@outlook.com wrote: Hi, While its maybe not something for the whole community. Since only Staff can edit Wikimedia Foundation website I believe this will be the correct place to post this. I feel that the staff images on the Foundation site should show the staff in a good way where nobody can have a problem with it. The images being made by professionals for that. I believe the image Brandon Harris is using since this night is not suitable for a staff picture. The ink he is showing can discourage people and the picture is all but neutral. Secondly he isn't even really on the picture his is faded out. I would strongly advice to keep the images there proffesional. Ed ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images
On 12 July 2013 09:02, Dan Rosenthal swatjes...@gmail.com wrote: Really, aren't there better things to do than play morality police because someone might be upset about some ink? This isn't the 1950's. Who is upset, and why? DFTT. - d. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images
On 12 July 2013 09:11, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: The real issue here is that the Legal Department has a stuffed animal mascot, while WMF engineering/product has absolutely no animals of any kind. I would put up a photograph of Tux, but I'm worried Rory will eat him. If you're going to add a photo of Tux then you'll have to add a user pagehttps://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Roryand accompanying email address too! -- Thehelpfulone https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Thehelpfulone ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images
2013/7/12 Thehelpfulone thehelpfulonew...@gmail.com: On 12 July 2013 09:11, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: The real issue here is that the Legal Department has a stuffed animal mascot, while WMF engineering/product has absolutely no animals of any kind. I would put up a photograph of Tux, but I'm worried Rory will eat him. Well, I think the real real issue is that 10 emails in 2 hours is lame for a Friday Flame :) I say we try again. Strainu ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images
I think what's really offensive here is the implication that having a tat means that you're not professional. I don't have any ink myself, but I respect the choice of those who do. To be honest, I like the occasionally goofy pictures and profiles on the WMF staff page; it shows that there are real people (and a tiger!) working there and not just corporate drones. Cheers, Craig On 12 July 2013 18:18, Eddy Paine bloggin...@outlook.com wrote: Dan, A placeholder for people without pictures shouldn't be a problem. Thats common use. And they are all the same so thats a OK thing. The picture of Rory is a picture of Rory. It even says its a mascot and I agree with Erik we need Tux for Engineering. And no, we are not in the 1950's but as a international organisation we should still keep in mind that tattoos aren't accepted world wide. Placing your tattoo on a staff page and your face faded away is provocating the fact that he has tattoo's and not proffesional. Secondly all staff pictures are made by a professional photographer? Or kind of in the same setting. That will keep the page uniform also. Ed From: swatjes...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 04:02:56 -0400 To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images I don't see any problem with it. I'm not sure how it is somehow more unprofessional than absentee (for lack of a better term) pictures being labeled Cloak of invisibility? Or the picture of Rory as mascot? Further, what does all but neutral mean? Really, aren't there better things to do than play morality police because someone might be upset about some ink? This isn't the 1950's. Who is upset, and why? -Dan Dan Rosenthal On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 3:16 AM, Eddy Paine bloggin...@outlook.com wrote: Hi, While its maybe not something for the whole community. Since only Staff can edit Wikimedia Foundation website I believe this will be the correct place to post this. I feel that the staff images on the Foundation site should show the staff in a good way where nobody can have a problem with it. The images being made by professionals for that. I believe the image Brandon Harris is using since this night is not suitable for a staff picture. The ink he is showing can discourage people and the picture is all but neutral. Secondly he isn't even really on the picture his is faded out. I would strongly advice to keep the images there proffesional. Ed ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images
Sure; there are countries with taboos around, for example, tattoos. However, given that we run many encyclopaedias containing articles on pretty much everything, taboo or no taboo (including ink!), anyone easily offended is /going/ to be. There's a saying about horses and doors that applies here. Brandon does place his tattoo first. The tattoo, you will note, reads courage. It's what is known as a statement. Brandon is endorsing being bold, not endorsing being inked. On 12 July 2013 12:10, Eddy Paine bloggin...@outlook.com wrote: Hi, I didn't say that people with thats are not proffesionals. I have multiple myself also. I am saying that the page has a lay-out with pictures that all fit together and are specially made for that page. I believe you shouldn't destroy the lay-out or style by adding personal pictures. Otherwhise you should lose the style completly. Secondly we are a world wide organisation, and there are still enough countries where tats are not accepted yet. So it can be wise to try to minimise the things on pictures that can be offensive for some people. And as last. Brandon places his tattoo first and makes his face blurry. Thats why I started posting. If both the tattoo would be vissible and his face I wouldn't have any problems at all. Ed ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Oliver Keyes Community Liaison, Product Development Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images
Its more like making a statement on your official homepage. On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote: Sure; there are countries with taboos around, for example, tattoos. However, given that we run many encyclopaedias containing articles on pretty much everything, taboo or no taboo (including ink!), anyone easily offended is /going/ to be. There's a saying about horses and doors that applies here. Brandon does place his tattoo first. The tattoo, you will note, reads courage. It's what is known as a statement. Brandon is endorsing being bold, not endorsing being inked. On 12 July 2013 12:10, Eddy Paine bloggin...@outlook.com wrote: Hi, I didn't say that people with thats are not proffesionals. I have multiple myself also. I am saying that the page has a lay-out with pictures that all fit together and are specially made for that page. I believe you shouldn't destroy the lay-out or style by adding personal pictures. Otherwhise you should lose the style completly. Secondly we are a world wide organisation, and there are still enough countries where tats are not accepted yet. So it can be wise to try to minimise the things on pictures that can be offensive for some people. And as last. Brandon places his tattoo first and makes his face blurry. Thats why I started posting. If both the tattoo would be vissible and his face I wouldn't have any problems at all. Ed ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Oliver Keyes Community Liaison, Product Development Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [Replies inline with quoted message(s)] On 7/12/2013 4:10 AM PDT, Eddy Paine wrote: ...and there are still enough countries where tats are not accepted yet. So it can be wise to try to minimise the things on pictures that can be offensive for some people You make the presumption that the Wikimedia movement is any more socially acceptable than tattoos are (at least in those countries). - -- Sincerely, Andrew FastLizard4 Adams https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:FastLizard4 fastliza...@gmail.com GPG Key ID: 0x221A627DD76E2616 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJR3+rbAAoJECIaYn3XbiYWbKoQAIFuwNdL3H8MhxxTJHJ3fDAR NLhq293NSTd1TJAT/4oHQvu59SChJn6TVemf5ZdM1Sr+HCwFBkX4KA3VqSObzNG1 YqmEkygeIZGWyUoYy3XnouNBo7Au5Cccw0sEz9hQT8+bYwdESlRYBclIjDKTy9W0 Swz2qzY6MwrdAWsQerJfSHWvaBwh+ZQQIxdQJovqWLD6Uwjjlq4g0lkeBdn4iFpf vYYR7+zkiN2+lVe/rPSpKh+YxTNdwn4xoWoLP4zEClsUIXedcZXEcK4Y7eB+7vsc O+lSeXaZxinuOFxHbrr+rS+wW90ZTnVAxH+inMFFB4XcgOSoWQDg8gnhxEFYRWLO IuN8UajI6m8uqKI7/RM70FZw1ZZ1rS2HSMXiH5qMLp+M5Q1id1iVklcqQAUmIMCh X+NeKHuaXiGtvrdYwvLqcq+DPby+QMFA0fMGAhuRyHmQqsoE+PMvfZcVreVObd2U 2T1dBCVoD42NxDj0b1RpJJbCkfTdZSu1ObwEWJPK836Jry5OJUtUODzMBb6eJ2F0 sg1+onA2fV8uA/p+60aTD8mjo5jujstWx0EIVhEDsY87fBceJdMlpaFAFH1bF8gY +1Jslox1Xq1QLwBZzJPD3beubIU7pKG9vo9eN0WB3LB65akG8p/aP/XcZY3UYygR g7scU60L2S5VQmL9YGDQ =eNO1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images
There are countries where women showing her shoulders or nude head are not accepted yet. I think the staff should complaint only about what is accepted where they are (so they wont be arrested). Castelo Branco Em 12/07/2013, às 08:10, Eddy Paine bloggin...@outlook.com escreveu: Hi, I didn't say that people with thats are not proffesionals. I have multiple myself also. I am saying that the page has a lay-out with pictures that all fit together and are specially made for that page. I believe you shouldn't destroy the lay-out or style by adding personal pictures. Otherwhise you should lose the style completly. Secondly we are a world wide organisation, and there are still enough countries where tats are not accepted yet. So it can be wise to try to minimise the things on pictures that can be offensive for some people. And as last. Brandon places his tattoo first and makes his face blurry. Thats why I started posting. If both the tattoo would be vissible and his face I wouldn't have any problems at all. Ed ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia engineering June 2013 report
Hi, The report covering Wikimedia engineering activities in June 2013 is now available. Wiki version: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_engineering_report/2013/June Blog version: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/07/12/engineering-june-2013-report/ We're also proposing a shorter, simpler and translatable version of this report that does not assume specialized technical knowledge: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_engineering_report/2013/June/summary Below is the full HTML text of the report. As always, feedback is appreciated on the usefulness of the report and its summary, and on how to improve them. -- Major news in June include: - The preparation for the activation of VisualEditorhttps://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/06/06/preparing-for-visualeditor-on-all-wikipedias/to most Wikipedia sites, and its debut on the English Wikipediahttps://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/07/01/visualeditor-beta-rollout/ ; - News around Language engineeringhttps://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/06/03/language-engineering-development-updates-and-events/, including the preparationhttps://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/06/06/universal-language-selector-coming-to-all-wikis/and activationhttps://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/07/01/universal-language-selector-uls-deployed-on-more-than-150-wikis/of the Universal Language Selectors on many wikis; - An explanation of how bugs are discovered and fixedhttps://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/06/04/volunteers-and-staffers-teach-learn-make-at-amsterdam-hackathon/ . - A retrospective on the Amsterdam hackathonhttps://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/06/04/volunteers-and-staffers-teach-learn-make-at-amsterdam-hackathon/ . *Note: We're also providing a shorter, simpler and translatable version of this reporthttps://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_engineering_report/2013/June/summarythat does not assume specialized technical knowledge. * Personnel Work with us https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Work_with_us Are you looking to work for Wikimedia? We have a lot of hiring coming up, and we really love talking to active community members about these roles. - Software Engineer - Fundraisinghttp://hire.jobvite.com/Jobvite/Job.aspx?j=oawpXfwM - Software Engineer - Language Engineeringhttp://hire.jobvite.com/Jobvite/Job.aspx?j=oH3gXfwH - Director of Program - Mobilehttp://hire.jobvite.com/Jobvite/Job.aspx?j=oGqAXfwn - Software Engineer - Multimedia Systemshttp://hire.jobvite.com/Jobvite/Job.aspx?j=oj40Wfw3 - Senior Software Engineer - Platformhttp://hire.jobvite.com/Jobvite/Job.aspx?j=ouLnWfwi - UX Designer http://hire.jobvite.com/Jobvite/Job.aspx?j=onImXfw8 - Product Manager - Platformhttp://hire.jobvite.com/Jobvite/Job.aspx?j=o3vtXfwI - Dev-Ops Engineer - SREhttp://hire.jobvite.com/Jobvite/Job.aspx?j=ocLCWfwf Announcements - Sean Pringle joined the Technical Operations team as our Storage and Database Engineer (announcementhttp://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/wikitech/368588 ). - Brian Wolff https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Bawolff joined the Wikimedia Platform Engineeringhttps://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Platform_Engineeringgroup as Software developer for the Summer, working on multimedia contribution and review (announcementhttp://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2013-June/069724.html ). - Ken Snider joined the Technical Operations team as an international contractor, poised to fill the Director of Technical Operations position ( announcementhttp://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2013-June/069844.html ). - Toby Negrin joined the Engineering department as Director of Analytics (announcementhttp://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaannounce-l/2013-June/000675.html ). Technical Operations *Site infrastructure* As part of our capacity planning work, Mark Bergsma upgraded most of our Varnish infrastructure (in EQIAD ESAMS) with newer and faster servers. He will be adding new mobile Varnish servers in ESAMS next, this coming month. Rob Halsell and Daniel Zahn are pushing ahead with the migration of the other applications https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tampa_cluster from Tampa to EQIAD. New Parsoid application and Varnish servers were also deployed in anticipation of the coming VisualEditor deployment. Meantime, Alexandros Kosiaris is starting the backup project work; read more about the project https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Projects#Backup_infrastructureand the technology https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Bacula. Mark also put in the finishing touches to deploy all the new network infrastructure at ESAMS. With help from Mark and Leslie Carr, we finally got approval from ARIN for some new IPv4 addresses, needed for our new ULSFO buildup.Many people are refactoring Puppet code with the ultimate goal of having everything organized into Puppet modules. Andrew Bogott, Antoine Musso and Alexandros are setting up an
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images
On 07/12/2013 07:10 AM, Eddy Paine wrote: Secondly we are a world wide organisation, and there are still enough countries where tats are not accepted yet. Then surely, we must err on the side of conservatism! Let's make certain that every woman on staff has a picture in a burka. -- Marc ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images
First, I want to make clear that I express no opinion on the ink conversation. I respect the diverse points of views in our community. I understand that everyone has their own stripes. That said, I am deeply saddened and frankly shocked by allegations voiced by certain people in this thread that somehow I would consider eating Tux, the official mascot of the Linux kernel. As a supporter of the free knowledge movement, I hunger for role models like Tux. Penguins are known for their outstanding qualities[1], and, showing my good taste, I recognize that my small LCA Foundation profile [2] hardly matches the prominent recognition of Tux’s Wikipedia article. [3] I accordingly decided long ago that Tux was off the menu. To the contrary, I offer my paw in friendship to Tux. Some say that open source animals are full of bugs, turning them into organic delights. I do support organic meats. I mean friends. Organic friends. Delicious, organic friends. I am really hungry now. (I’m not allowed to eat legal interns anymore.[4]) Tux, let’s get together soon, real soon, maybe over lunch. Best, Rory Mascot, Legal and Community Advocacy *Disclaimer:* I cannot give legal advice because I am not licensed to practice law. I am also a stuffed toy animal without human intelligence. [1] http://chicago.grubstreet.com/2008/05/what_does_penguin_meat_taste_l.html http://chicago.grubstreet.com/2008/05/what_does_penguin_meat_taste_l.html [2] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Roryhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tux [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tux [4] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Church,_Frederick_Stuart_-_Church_Tiger_having_eaten_professor_-_1905_-_large.jpg ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images
Stripes. Yeah, right. Clearly, Rory is wearing tats of their own. Totally covered in 'em! I'm calling foul. Delicious, organic friends... I wanna see a photo of Tux to verify life. Something's not right here. On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Rory roaaa...@wikimedia.org wrote: First, I want to make clear that I express no opinion on the ink conversation. I respect the diverse points of views in our community. I understand that everyone has their own stripes. That said, I am deeply saddened and frankly shocked by allegations voiced by certain people in this thread that somehow I would consider eating Tux, the official mascot of the Linux kernel. As a supporter of the free knowledge movement, I hunger for role models like Tux. Penguins are known for their outstanding qualities[1], and, showing my good taste, I recognize that my small LCA Foundation profile [2] hardly matches the prominent recognition of Tux’s Wikipedia article. [3] I accordingly decided long ago that Tux was off the menu. To the contrary, I offer my paw in friendship to Tux. Some say that open source animals are full of bugs, turning them into organic delights. I do support organic meats. I mean friends. Organic friends. Delicious, organic friends. I am really hungry now. (I’m not allowed to eat legal interns anymore.[4]) Tux, let’s get together soon, real soon, maybe over lunch. Best, Rory Mascot, Legal and Community Advocacy *Disclaimer:* I cannot give legal advice because I am not licensed to practice law. I am also a stuffed toy animal without human intelligence. [1] http://chicago.grubstreet.com/2008/05/what_does_penguin_meat_taste_l.html http://chicago.grubstreet.com/2008/05/what_does_penguin_meat_taste_l.html [2] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Rory http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tux [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tux [4] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Church,_Frederick_Stuart_-_Church_Tiger_having_eaten_professor_-_1905_-_large.jpg ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Best regards, Cynthia Ashley-Nelson Yes. *Her again.* ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images
On 7/12/2013 3:22 PM, Rory wrote: I am really hungry now. (I’m not allowed to eat legal interns anymore.[4]) Tux, let’s get together soon, real soon, maybe over lunch. Rory, if you're that desperate, may I suggest you scrounge around in your slippers? I'm sure you could find some tasty crumbs in there. --Michael Snow ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images
And what happened to 'assume good flavor'... I mean faith! Assume Good Faith! I am sure that Rory has only the best intentions. But it is true that his message could be misinterpreted. I think we should all take a step back and try our very best not to eat each other. I'm sure that if they don't meet over lunch -- and perhaps ensure the expedient measure of living on different floors -- Rory and Tux can be professional colleagues, with the same mission of delicious, delicious (fish-flavored?) free knowledge. -- phoebe On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Cynthia Ashley-Nelson cindam...@gmail.comwrote: Stripes. Yeah, right. Clearly, Rory is wearing tats of their own. Totally covered in 'em! I'm calling foul. Delicious, organic friends... I wanna see a photo of Tux to verify life. Something's not right here. On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Rory roaaa...@wikimedia.org wrote: First, I want to make clear that I express no opinion on the ink conversation. I respect the diverse points of views in our community. I understand that everyone has their own stripes. That said, I am deeply saddened and frankly shocked by allegations voiced by certain people in this thread that somehow I would consider eating Tux, the official mascot of the Linux kernel. As a supporter of the free knowledge movement, I hunger for role models like Tux. Penguins are known for their outstanding qualities[1], and, showing my good taste, I recognize that my small LCA Foundation profile [2] hardly matches the prominent recognition of Tux’s Wikipedia article. [3] I accordingly decided long ago that Tux was off the menu. To the contrary, I offer my paw in friendship to Tux. Some say that open source animals are full of bugs, turning them into organic delights. I do support organic meats. I mean friends. Organic friends. Delicious, organic friends. I am really hungry now. (I’m not allowed to eat legal interns anymore.[4]) Tux, let’s get together soon, real soon, maybe over lunch. Best, Rory Mascot, Legal and Community Advocacy *Disclaimer:* I cannot give legal advice because I am not licensed to practice law. I am also a stuffed toy animal without human intelligence. [1] http://chicago.grubstreet.com/2008/05/what_does_penguin_meat_taste_l.html http://chicago.grubstreet.com/2008/05/what_does_penguin_meat_taste_l.html [2] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Rory http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tux [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tux [4] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Church,_Frederick_Stuart_-_Church_Tiger_having_eaten_professor_-_1905_-_large.jpg ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Best regards, Cynthia Ashley-Nelson Yes. *Her again.* ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- * I use this address for lists; send personal messages to phoebe.ayers at gmail.com * ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] The GAC wants you!
Hello, everyone. We could use some fresh b--- er, volunteers! -- in the Grant Advisory Committee (GAC). As you may know, the GAC are community volunteers who are explicitly invited[1] to review and evaluate grant proposals made in the Wikimedia Foundation Grants Program[2], and offer advice to both grant applicants and the Foundation. Read all about it on the Candidates page[3]. New members will be inducted Aug 20th 2013, so be sure to step forward before then! :) Please help this message reach as many people as possible, by relaying it to appropriate lists and village pumps. Cheers, Asaf [1] _everyone_ is implicitly invited! [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Index [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grant_Advisory_Committee/Candidates -- Asaf Bartov Wikimedia Foundation http://www.wikimediafoundation.org Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! https://donate.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images
On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 5:54 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: And what happened to 'assume good flavor'... I mean faith! Assume Good Faith! I am sure that Rory has only the best intentions. But it is true that his message could be misinterpreted. I think we should all take a step back and try our very best not to eat each other. I'm sure that if they don't meet over lunch -- and perhaps ensure the expedient measure of living on different floors -- Rory and Tux can be professional colleagues, with the same mission of delicious, delicious (fish-flavored?) free knowledge. -- phoebe I am extraordinarily confused to the point that I had to double check my inbox that this is a Wikimedia-l thread. Is this **humor** taking place here? If so, it is off-topic and I would like to see this thread moderated. We don't deserve to giggle :) -- ~Keegan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Advocacy Advisors] WMF response to PRISM?
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 4:07 PM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: Would publicizing these free and open secure alternatives to commercial applications known to be under surveillance -- https://prism-break.org/ -- be sufficiently aligned with out values? Our values? ... Our practise. No. SSL is mandatory to avoid surveillance, but TOR is also quite important. The very first entry on prism-break is TOR, which is blocked on Wikimedia projects for editing, by explicit blocks and by the TorBlock extension, which is enabled on all wikis, even Chinese Wikipedia. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TorBlock https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Version The mobile functionality is very unfriendly for privacy. Loading a non-mobile HTTPS url (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984), redirects the reader to the mobile HTTP page. If they clicked on a https link believing that their browsing pattern was not able to be monitored, their reading patterns are in clear text on the internet without them being informed of this. The EFF is pushing solutions to send readers from HTTP to HTTPS sites, and WMF is sending readers from HTTPS to HTTP - transparently. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35215 (reported March 2012, last comment from WMF tech team in April 2013 indicates this may not be fixed soon) Admins can bypass the Tor block, however logging in on Mobile is not easy. In the mobile search type in special:userlogin. The login screen appears, and the 'sign in' button replies to the user that there was a cookie error. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31045 (reported 2011; closed as INVALID the same day) When using the Orweb browser (part of the tor solution for Android), trying to log in is even more difficult as you cant go to the Desktop site without tying in a long url that bypasses the mobile site. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51277 (reported by me today) -- John Vandenberg ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
