Re: [Wikimedia-l] Feedback for the Wikimedia Foundation

2013-07-25 Thread Erik Moeller
On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 7:12 PM, Everton Zanella Alvarenga
 wrote:

>> Speaking of template madness, the current horrible brokenness that are
>> templates seem to be on the long term roadmap to be fixed. Fixing them
>> requires breaking a whole lot, far more than a visual editor preference. Is
>> two way community dialog on how to handle that on the roadmap? It might
>> still be years and years away, but boy will it hurt, and we better brace
>> ourselves.

> It seems more possible to have a wiki software developed from scratch
> than this to happen.
>
> If sometimes a small technological fart causes a pandemonium, what can
> we say about a real technological progress?

I believe in the resilience of our community and our projects. Big
changes are messy, but we've still gone through them. In the last few
months, we have partially or completely rolled out:

- a new editor ;-)
- mobile editing
- a new login/account creation experience
- a new central login system
- a new language selection experience
- input methods for >150 languages
- automatic font delivery
- a new translation user experience
- edit suggestions for new users
- mobile web uploads
- mobile app uploads for iOS/Android
- notifications, including user mentions & thanks
- Lua support for templates
- Wikidata support for templates and countless Wikidata improvements
(development by WMDE)
- etc. etc.

Of course, all these changes are all still imperfect and all still in
motion, in many cases including wider rollout. We have a lot of work
to do to ensure we don't add too much technical debt in the process of
making these changes, fix bugs, user experience and logic errors, add
missing functionality, and reduce performance penalties wherever
possible.

But 2-3 years ago the reputation of Wikipedia was that its platform
was stagnant. That time has come to an end. We're now in the period of
the most dramatic technological change in the history of our projects.
It will take us a while to absorb the full scope and impact of these
changes, but in partnership, we can get there.

On our end, we've not built a team of community liaisons just so we
can respond on feedback pages when things break. As VisualEditor
becomes more stable and performant, my hope is that we can engage more
and more on the new opportunities, and on difficult questions.
Opportunities such as ensuring consistent templatedata coverage for
all templates, or up-to-date end-user documentation. Questions around
what kinds of templates make sense and which ones don't.

I have faith, too, that the community will come up with amazing new
ways to build on these technologies, as they already have. The
ecosystem of Wikidata applications that have already been built is
truly impressive. The adoption of Lua for templates was rapid.
Templatedata _has_ been added to many of the most common templates
already, and new gadgets using it have been written. Google Summer of
Code students are working on plugins for math and syntax highlighting,
and I'm sure we'll see many more. And so forth.

I believe in the resilience of our community and its ability to
innovate and adapt. I believe in our ability to fight well with each
other. And I believe that Wikimedia has never been a more exciting
community to be part of than today. :-)

Erik
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VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Feedback for the Wikimedia Foundation

2013-07-25 Thread Robert Rohde
If I understand the minutes of the VE / Parsoid quarterly review [1]
correctly, then significant changes for templates could be on the
table for the first half of calendar year 2014.  One of the largest
technical challenges for the handling of templates in the VE / Parsoid
context is that individual templates can have open-ended syntax where,
for example, one template opens a table and an different template
closes it (and even more ridiculous examples).  Hence the individual
templates are not necessarily closed units in themselves but may
interact with content from other parts of the pages, which creates
various problems for parsers.

In the minutes, the possibility of simply banning such open-ended
templates is mentioned, though the reply in the minutes suggests that
such an option was seen as probably too disruptive of existing
content.  Hence the developers mentioned a need to find better ways to
enforce the nesting of templates while also supporting all (or at
least most) existing content.

However, it does seem likely that devs are discussing changes to the
way templates are handled that would move away from the current
structure where templates are allowed to contain completely arbitrary
blocks of wikitext that would only be interpreted once the whole page
is assembled.

-Robert Rohde

[1] 
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Metrics_and_activities_meetings/Quarterly_reviews/VisualEditor-Parsoid/July_2013

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Martijn Hoekstra
 wrote:
> On Jul 24, 2013 9:57 AM, "Erik Moeller"  wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Tom Morris  wrote:
>>
>> > Should that even be a concern? I mean, if lots of newbies and
>> > technophobes start using the Visual Editor and a bunch of us
>> > dorks who love writing markup don't, would that matter?
>>
>> That's a great question, Tom. :)
>>
>> We're confident that in the long run, we'll be able to offer features
>> and capabilities that will give experienced community members
>> compelling reasons to use VisualEditor, so when people say things like
>> "I will never use VisualEditor", I can only note that never is a very
>> long time, and the bulk of our continued effort will go into making
>> VisualEditor the best possible editing experience it can be.
>>
>> This is not a feature we're launching and forgetting about. This isn't
>> an effort that's scheduled to end. Enabling collaboration is part of
>> our core mission; it's at the heart of what we do. We've got our work
>> cut out for us for the next few months, and we also know what some of
>> the longer term objectives are (integration with discussions,
>> real-time collaboration). Beyond that - sky's the limit.
>>
>> So, does it matter if people continue to use markup? Probably not -
>> but if you're a human, we'll aim to give you a much better tool to get
>> the job done. So even if you are, as you put it, a markup-loving dork,
>> we hope you'll come visit us in VisualEditor-land every once in a
>> while and mingle with us. We do have cookies, and tales of template
>> madness.
>>
>> Erik
>> --
>> Erik Möller
>
> Speaking of template madness, the current horrible brokenness that are
> templates seem to be on the long term roadmap to be fixed. Fixing them
> requires breaking a whole lot, far more than a visual editor preference. Is
> two way community dialog on how to handle that on the roadmap? It might
> still be years and years away, but boy will it hurt, and we better brace
> ourselves.
>
>> VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation
>>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] About the concentration of resources in SF (it was: "Communication plans for community engagement"

2013-07-25 Thread Everton Zanella Alvarenga
Wikimedia Foundation planned a few years ago to open an office in
Brazil, one India and one in the Middle East, but it has given up of
this trial for several reasons.

I think before thinking about the idea of this thread, these cases
should be seriously studied, inclusing some possible problems and
challenges that can raise when you have far workers from different
culture doing a work led by an Americo-centric organization (that was,
at least, one thing pointed out by some consultants during the last
all staff meeting, if I undersstood well).

And I think there is a good point about WMF office being in SF for a
global organization. Its timezone is one example. What about the price
of the city? But that would be a long discussion and the actual
structure of the organization wouldn't allow this to change anytime
soon.

Now that we know that Internet in US is as safe as in Chinas (:D),
maybe an office there would be a good trial? :)

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OKF Brasil - Rede pelo Conhecimento Livre
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Feedback for the Wikimedia Foundation

2013-07-25 Thread Everton Zanella Alvarenga
2013/7/25 Martijn Hoekstra :

> Speaking of template madness, the current horrible brokenness that are
> templates seem to be on the long term roadmap to be fixed. Fixing them
> requires breaking a whole lot, far more than a visual editor preference. Is
> two way community dialog on how to handle that on the roadmap? It might
> still be years and years away, but boy will it hurt, and we better brace
> ourselves.

It seems more possible to have a wiki software developed from scratch
than this to happen.

If sometimes a small technological fart causes a pandemonium, what can
we say about a real technological progress?

Maybe a new community (less conservative?) to build a good
encyclopedia can come up if a new platformn be invented?

-- 
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OKF Brasil - Rede pelo Conhecimento Livre
http://br.okfn.org

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[Wikimedia-l] Round one voting: Wikivoyage logo selection process

2013-07-25 Thread Maggie Dennis
Hello, all.

I'm delighted to announce that round one voting is now open for the 2013
Wikivoyage logo selection process. Voting is open to all editors who have
contributed on any project prior to 31 May 2013.

Please visit http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Logo_selection_procedure for
the general rules and http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikivoyage/Logo_2013 for
a few specific notes, such as about weighted voting. When you are ready to
vote, please follow the link in the header to "show proposals and vote".
You may vote for up to three images - you will indicate your preference by
the order in which you vote. Your first vote will be ranked as your first
choice, etc.

There are some very impressive logo ideas there. I hope you will all join
in to help narrow down the field in the first round to a few finalists.
Thanks to everyone who submitted logos and who helped discuss and refine
those, and a special thank you to Rainer (
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Rillke) for pulling it together so
beautifully thus far.

Maggie

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[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Mapping the SOPA-PIPA Debate: Social Mobilization and the Networked Public Sphere

2013-07-25 Thread Samuel Klein
The Berkman Center just came out with a report on the public
discussions surrounding the SOPA-PIPA actions; drawing on the Media
Cloud work by Yochai Benkler and others.

It provides context for the discussions on the English Wikipedia, and
captures the differences between the grassroots and top-down decisions
by different organizations and media channels who took part in the
blackout.

An interactive time-visual shows how the conversation was driven at
different times by different communities:
http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/research/mediacloud/2013/mapping_sopa_pipa/#

SJ

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Publication Release: July 25
Social Mobilization and the Networked Public Sphere: Mapping the
SOPA-PIPA Debate

Dear Friends and Colleagues,

The Berkman Center for Internet & Society is pleased to announce the
release of a new publication from the Media Cloud project, Social
Mobilization and the Networked Public Sphere: Mapping the SOPA-PIPA
Debate, authored by Yochai Benkler, Hal Roberts, Rob Faris, Alicia
Solow-Niederman, and Bruce Etling.

Social Mobilization and the Networked Public Sphere: Mapping the
SOPA-PIPA Debate

From the abstract: In this paper, we use a new set of online research
tools to develop a detailed study of the public debate over proposed
legislation in the United States that was designed to give prosecutors
and copyright holders new tools to pursue suspected online copyright
violations. Our study applies a mixed-methods approach by combining
text and link analysis with human coding and informal interviews to
map the evolution of the controversy over time and to analyze the
mobilization, roles, and interactions of various actors.

This novel, data-driven perspective on the dynamics of the networked
public sphere supports an optimistic view of the potential for
networked democratic participation, and offers a view of a vibrant,
diverse, and decentralized networked public sphere that exhibited
broad participation, leveraged topical expertise, and focused public
sentiment to shape national public policy.

We also offer an interactive visualization that maps the evolution of
a public controversy by collecting time slices of thousands of
sources, then using link analysis to assess the progress of the debate
over time. We used the Media Cloud platform to depict media sources
(“nodes”, which appear as circles on the map with different colors
denoting different media types). This visualization tracks media
sources and their linkages within discrete time slices and allows
users to zoom into the controversy to see which entities are present
in the debate during a given period as well as who is linking to whom
at any point in time.

The authors wish to thank the Ford Foundation and the Open Society
Foundation for their generous support of this research and of the
development of the Media Cloud platform.

About Media Cloud

Media Cloud, a joint project of the Berkman Center for Internet &
Society at Harvard University and the Center for Civic Media at MIT,
is an open source, open data platform that allows researchers to
answer complex quantitative and qualitative questions about the
content of online media. Using Media Cloud, academic researchers,
journalism critics, and interested citizens can examine what media
sources cover which stories, what language different media outlets use
in conjunction with different stories, and how stories spread from one
media outlet to another. We encourage interested readers to explore
Media Cloud.

The Berkman Center for Internet & Society at Harvard University was
founded to explore cyberspace, share in its study, and help pioneer
its development. For more information, visit
http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Lubi Zabytki 2013

2013-07-25 Thread Tomasz W. Kozlowski
[For those of you non-native speakers of Polish who wonder what just 
happened, apparently Michał "Aegis Maelstrom" Buczyński sent his e-mail 
to the wrong mailing list.


In his message, Michał asks people to redouble efforts to promote the 
Polish version of Wiki Loves Monuments (which uses the local name "Wiki 
Lubi Zabytki") and asks if it's really true that their Wikipedia portal 
gets significantly fewer page views now than in the same period last 
year (Yes, it does.)]


That's it for the international and multi-lingual part of this mailing 
list, keep going as if nothing happened:-)


   Tomasz

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[Wikimedia-l] [SPAM - Please Ignore] Wiki Lubi Zabytki 2013

2013-07-25 Thread Michał Buczyński
Sorry for spam - wrong list.

Dnia 26 lipca 2013 0:33 Michał Buczyński  napisał(a):

> Cześć wszystkim.
> 
> Abstrahując od zapytania Oddera na liście dyskusyjnej wikipedia-l (mam 
> nadzieję, że ta rozmowa, tak jak uwaga czytelników i sympatyków trafią i na 
> tę listę :) ) chciałbym podbić temat tegorocznej edycji konkursu.
> 
> Myślę, że więcej publicznej informacji na temat bieżącego statusu i uwagi 
> Stowarzyszenia by się tu przydało. :) Zdjęcia będzie można wysyłać od 1 
> września, niemniej warto będzie informować ludzi wcześniej (niech fotografują 
> w trakcie wakacji!), musimy się więc już sprężać w promocji.
> 
> Z tego co słyszałem, w tym roku liczba wejść na stronę wikizabytków jest 
> nieporównywalnie mniejsza niż w niższym (mógłby ktoś potwierdzić?), co może 
> mieć związek m.in. z brakiem sitenotice. Czy mógłbym prosić naszych 
> koordynatorów o krótką informację jak im idzie i w czym można by im pomóc? :)
> 
> Pozdrawiam serdecznie znad walizy,
> michał "aegis maelstrom" buczyński
> 
> P.S. Przepraszam za przejściowo niższą aktywność, przygotowania do 
> najpoważniejszej mojej prezentacji jak dotychczas i podróży zżerają masę 
> czasu.
> 

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[Wikimedia-l] Wiki Lubi Zabytki 2013

2013-07-25 Thread Michał Buczyński
Cześć wszystkim.

Abstrahując od zapytania Oddera na liście dyskusyjnej wikipedia-l (mam 
nadzieję, że ta rozmowa, tak jak uwaga czytelników i sympatyków trafią i na tę 
listę :) ) chciałbym podbić temat tegorocznej edycji konkursu.

Myślę, że więcej publicznej informacji na temat bieżącego statusu i uwagi 
Stowarzyszenia by się tu przydało. :) Zdjęcia będzie można wysyłać od 1 
września, niemniej warto będzie informować ludzi wcześniej (niech fotografują w 
trakcie wakacji!), musimy się więc już sprężać w promocji.

Z tego co słyszałem, w tym roku liczba wejść na stronę wikizabytków jest 
nieporównywalnie mniejsza niż w niższym (mógłby ktoś potwierdzić?), co może 
mieć związek m.in. z brakiem sitenotice. Czy mógłbym prosić naszych 
koordynatorów o krótką informację jak im idzie i w czym można by im pomóc? :)

Pozdrawiam serdecznie znad walizy,
michał "aegis maelstrom" buczyński

P.S. Przepraszam za przejściowo niższą aktywność, przygotowania do 
najpoważniejszej mojej prezentacji jak dotychczas i podróży zżerają masę czasu.

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[Wikimedia-l] Invitation to WMF July 2013 Metrics & Activities Meeting: Thursday, August 1, 18:00 UTC

2013-07-25 Thread Praveena Maharaj
Dear all,

The next WMF metrics and activities meeting will take place on Thursday,
August 1, 2013 at 6:00 PM UTC (11 AM PDT). The IRC channel is
#wikimedia-office on irc.freenode.net and the meeting will be broadcast as
a live YouTube stream.

The current structure of the meeting is:

* Review of key metrics including the monthly report card, but also
specialized reports and analytics
* Review of financials
* Welcoming recent hires
* Brief presentations on recent projects, with a focus on highest priority
initiatives
* Update and Q&A with the Executive Director, if available

Please review
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Metrics_and_activities_meetings for further
information about how to participate.

We’ll post the video recording publicly after the meeting.

Thank you,
Praveena


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[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Wikimania-l] Registration closes on 31 July

2013-07-25 Thread phoebe ayers
FYI, forwarding.

And, if you are attending (or interested in) Wikimania, and are not yet a
member of the Wikimania-l list (
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l), I highly
encourage you to join (at least for the weeks before the conference) -- it
is where news and announcements about Wikimania are being shared. It's also
a good place to announce & coordinate excursions, sightseeing, conference
events, etc.

best,
Phoebe

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Date: Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:07 PM
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Hello Wikimaniacs,

I hope you're excited about coming to Hong Kong! Online registration for
Wikimania 2013 is scheduled to close on the evening of 31 July so that we
can prepare everyone's badges on time. If you haven't yet registered,
please go to https://registration.wikimedia.hk/ to complete your
registration and payment now!

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[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] The Signpost -- Volume 9, Issue 29 -- 24 July 2013

2013-07-25 Thread Wikipedia Signpost
News and notes: Wikivoyage turns ten, but where to now?; Wikipedia Zero expands 
into India
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-07-24/News_and_notes

In the media: Wikipedia flamewars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-07-24/In_the_media

Discussion report: Partially disambiguated page names, page protection policy, 
and more
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-07-24/Discussion_report

WikiProject report: WikiProject Religion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-07-24/WikiProject_report

Featured content: Engineering and the arts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-07-24/Featured_content

Arbitration report: ''Infoboxes'' case opens
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-07-24/Arbitration_report

Traffic report: Gleeless
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-07-24/Traffic_report


Single page view
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signpost/Single

PDF version
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-07-24


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[Wikimedia-l] Reminder: Program Evaluation & Design Office Hours on Friday - 16:00

2013-07-25 Thread Sarah Stierch
Hi everyone, here is a reminder about tomorrow. I hope ya'll can join us!

We'll also be doing a Google Hangout next week, so don't fret if you can't
join us tomorrow. We'll also be at Wikimania and can't wait to meet
attendees to talk PE&D!

[pardon cross-posting]

The Program Evaluation & Design team[1] will be hosting our first office
hours on IRC on July 26 at 16:00 UTC.

Event Details:
==

Date: July 26, 2013 (Friday)
Time: 1600-1700 UTC, 9:00-10:00 AM PDT
IRC channel: #wikimedia-office on irc.freenode.net

Participants: Frank Schulenburg (Senior Director of Programs), Dr. Jaime
Anstee (Program Evaluation Specialist), Sarah Stierch (Community
Coordinator) and YOU!

Agenda:

1. A chance for community members to learn about *why* program evaluation &
design is an important and powerful tool.
2. An opportunity for community members to understand why WMF is engaging
in PE&D.
3. General Q&A about program evaluation & design
4. A chance to get virtually get to know the PE&D team (Sarah, Jaime and
Frank)[2]

If you're interested in how to evaluate the impact of programs such as
on-wiki contests, Wiki Loves Monuments, Wiki Takes, WikiExpeditions,
Wikipedia Education Program, content donations, edit-a-thons, workshops,
and the like - you might have interest in what PE&D is hoping to do in
supporting the amazing work you do.

[1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Programs:Index
[2]
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Program_Evaluation_and_Design/FAQ#Who_is_on_the_Program_Evaluation_.26_Design_team_at_the_Wikimedia_Foundation.3F

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Feedback for the Wikimedia Foundation

2013-07-25 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Jul 24, 2013 9:57 AM, "Erik Moeller"  wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Tom Morris  wrote:
>
> > Should that even be a concern? I mean, if lots of newbies and
> > technophobes start using the Visual Editor and a bunch of us
> > dorks who love writing markup don't, would that matter?
>
> That's a great question, Tom. :)
>
> We're confident that in the long run, we'll be able to offer features
> and capabilities that will give experienced community members
> compelling reasons to use VisualEditor, so when people say things like
> "I will never use VisualEditor", I can only note that never is a very
> long time, and the bulk of our continued effort will go into making
> VisualEditor the best possible editing experience it can be.
>
> This is not a feature we're launching and forgetting about. This isn't
> an effort that's scheduled to end. Enabling collaboration is part of
> our core mission; it's at the heart of what we do. We've got our work
> cut out for us for the next few months, and we also know what some of
> the longer term objectives are (integration with discussions,
> real-time collaboration). Beyond that - sky's the limit.
>
> So, does it matter if people continue to use markup? Probably not -
> but if you're a human, we'll aim to give you a much better tool to get
> the job done. So even if you are, as you put it, a markup-loving dork,
> we hope you'll come visit us in VisualEditor-land every once in a
> while and mingle with us. We do have cookies, and tales of template
> madness.
>
> Erik
> --
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Speaking of template madness, the current horrible brokenness that are
templates seem to be on the long term roadmap to be fixed. Fixing them
requires breaking a whole lot, far more than a visual editor preference. Is
two way community dialog on how to handle that on the roadmap? It might
still be years and years away, but boy will it hurt, and we better brace
ourselves.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Kicking-off the Chapters Dialogue project

2013-07-25 Thread Kira Kraemer
Dear all,

thanks a lot for your warm welcomes on- and off-list. I'm really excited to
run this project and I'm very much looking forward to talking to many
interesting people, to collecting stories and to creating a snap-shot of
the Wikimedia movement.

We are setting up the first test interviews and scheduling
stakeholder interviews for the Wikimania. If you have questions you would
like us to ask stakeholders and chapters, please share them with us:

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Chapters_Dialogue#Draft_research_questions_for_the_Chapters_Dialogue

If you are attending the pre-conference in Hong Kong, you can join us on
Thursday from 10am-2pm. We will introduce the project and host an open
discussion round where you can pose questions, provide feedback and bring
in your own ideas.

You can contact me via my talk page or vie email kira.krae...@wikimedia.de

We'll keep you posted about the course of the project.

Talk soon
Kira



On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Nicole Ebber  >wrote:
>
> > Dear Wikimedia friends,
> >
> > we are now ready to kick-off the Chapters Dialogue[1] project and I
> > would like to give you an update about the current situation and the
> > next steps.
> >
> > The Chapters Dialogue is a structured assessment of chapters needs,
> > goals and stories combined with a stakeholder survey. The goal is to
> > gain an overview in the universe of Wikimedia chapters and their
> > numerous stakeholders (WMF, FDC, AffCom, WCA, local communities) and
> > to uncover existing stories about how the chapters define themselves
> > and their roles in the international movement and what interests they
> > have and what challenges they might face. It will not only allow us to
> > reflect the status quo of our roles and relationships, but will enable
> > us to actively shape them in the future.
> >
> > For the next six month, we will collaborate with Design Thinking[2] &
> > User Research expert Kira Krämer who will facilitate the collection of
> > stories and insights. She has three years professional experience with
> > the Design Thinking methodology, both running projects based on the
> > user-centered approach and teaching the method to different types of
> > organizations. Kira is not a Wikimedian which provides us with a
> > neutral perspective of a researcher, without a personal Wikimedia
> > history and agenda. Together, we will design, realise and evaluate the
> > project.
> >
> >
> > == What will happen? ==
> >
> > We have listed a first collection of questions and topics we would
> > like to discuss with chapters and stakeholders on the Chapters
> > Dialogue talk page[4].
> >
> > On top of that, we will start getting in touch with stakeholders and
> > chapters to ask for their input, feedback and ideas directly.
> >
> > You can also meet us at Wikimania in Hong Kong: We will be present at
> > the Wikimania pre-conference from August 6 on and in the Chapters
> > Village[3] throughout the whole conference. We have planned following
> > activities:
> >
> > * inform about Chapters Dialogue
> > * discuss and exchange with as many people as possible
> > * collect feedback, ideas and inspiration
> > * conduct the first stakeholder interviews
> > * conduct at least three test-interviews with chapters
> > * open discussion round on Thursday (pre-conference, tbc)
> > * thematic meet-up in the Chapters Village on Saturday at 3.30 - 4.00 pm
> > [4]
> >
> > From mid August, after adjusting the project according to the
> > collected feedback, we will start interviewing chapters, either
> > on-site and in person or via video conferences. We would really love
> > to be able to interview as many chapters as possible and are hoping
> > for your collaboration in arranging dates and meetings.
> >
> > We are quite excited about now finally kicking-off this project and
> > look forward to working together with Kira and a lot of Wikimedia
> > people to make it a success. Come and join the discussion, contribute
> > your knowledge and curiosity, engage, discuss, participate – we’re
> > looking forward to meeting you.
> >
> > You can either engage on the talk page or get in touch directly with
> > Kira (kira.krae...@wikimedia.de) and me.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Nicole
> >
> >
> > [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Chapters_Dialogue
> > [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_thinking
> > [3] https://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/wiki/Chapters_Village
> > [4]
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Chapters_Dialogue#Draft_research_questions_for_the_Chapters_Dialogue
> > [5]
> >
> https://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/wiki/Chapters_Village#afternoon_coffee_break:_15:30.E2.80.9316:00
> >
> > --
> > Nicole Ebber
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> >
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> >
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> >
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