Re: [Wikimedia-l] The failure of Google, looking for open source alternatives
Bear in mind that OSM is a community such as we are, with its own habits and ideas. The idea of OSM is to have everything in one databse which structure is very open. You can actually put there almost everything which can be connected with the points, lines or areas and exist on our mother Earth. See: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features You can also propose a new features to be added to the official OSM database schema. It is disussed by OSM community in similar way as a new ideas in Wikipedia. OSM has actually its own API which is free to use: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/API_v0.6 It can be used both for creating new tools for editing of OSM as we as creating new functionalities based on OSM data. 2013/8/25 Peter Gervai grin...@gmail.com: Hello, Apart from the politics side and the end-of-the-world aspects there are good points raised. Right now there are some services based on the google map, mainly the map itself, panoramio which puts images on map, routing engine calculates directions, and several other layers exists on the map. There is open content map: OSM. Image collections with geoinformation exists, like Commons. Routing exists like YOURS, or graphhopper. Geocoded wikipedia articles exist, and possibly several open geocoded contents as well. There is a point to bring these together and WMF have the resources (both monetary and hardware-wise) to make it done. All the open-source tools exist, WMF have the resources to host a tile server (or better yet a vector tile server), we already host Commons, so it's well possible to provide such a community-based resource. Possibly the largest task would be to make an exceptionally good and future-proof plan of all of these. Google made it wise, they are pretty modular so they can insert new services easily. We can do that, we are more numerous. ;-) With a good API it's possible to get together something like goog earth where people can use provided layers as well as insert new ones for themselves form the layer-collections. I personally would like to see geocoded commons images to appear on a map to be able to use it instead of panoramio (even if I see the vast problems with commons and the assurance of free and useful images; it's hard to say how useful is an image of a field, hill or some streets). IMHO. -- byte-byte, grin ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Tomek Polimerek Ganicz http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Polimerek http://www.ganicz.pl/poli/ http://www.cbmm.lodz.pl/work.php?id=29title=tomasz-ganicz ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] No, it isn't. (Was: is wikipedia zero illegal because it violates net neutrality?)
Next time please don't change the email subject when replying to a thread unless you're changing the topic. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Mathias Schindler mathias.schind...@gmail.com wrote: hth. Mathias ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] The failure of Google, looking for open source alternatives
On 25.08.2013 11:58, Tomasz Ganicz wrote: Bear in mind that OSM is a community such as we are, with its own habits and ideas. The idea of OSM is to have everything in one databse which structure is very open. You can actually put there almost everything which can be connected with the points, lines or areas and exist on our mother Earth. See: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features You can also propose a new features to be added to the official OSM database schema. It is disussed by OSM community in similar way as a new ideas in Wikipedia. OSM has actually its own API which is free to use: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/API_v0.6 It can be used both for creating new tools for editing of OSM as we as creating new functionalities based on OSM data. Allow me a stupid question on this thread, but why is the existing OSM-based solution employed by several language versions of Wikivoyage not good enough? Cheers Yaroslav ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] The failure of Google, looking for open source alternatives
On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Tomasz Ganicz polime...@gmail.com wrote: Bear in mind that OSM is a community such as we are, with its own habits and ideas. As I happen to be one of the more active ones in Hungary. :-) The idea of OSM is to have everything in one databse Nope. You will not see there wikipedia articles or photos. ;-) What you may see are pointers to external resources, but many of these resources doesn't exist (like something similar to panoramio which hosts geocoded images in vast amounts). You can also propose a new features to be added to the official OSM database schema. It is not a question of OSM database, it's a question of services based on the database, especially those related to slippy map with mapped external content. OSMF doesn't have the resources to get this done, and they even struggle under the load of their tile server being used by the general public. In fact you're advised against using their tile server and you are advised to create one for your own. For example this is one point where WMF _may_ be able to help, but it's a high demand service. OSM has actually its own API which is free to use: I do not think Wikipedia should get deeply involved in _editing_ the db and firing shitloads of queries at the API will surely help Wikipedia getting banned from using it. ;-) Whatever we do it should be based on the minute diffs and our own processing. But really I do not talk about the db, I talk about it's representation (tiles) and it's interface (slippy map with additional geocoded layers). g ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mobile image upload
On Sunday, August 25, 2013, James Heilman wrote: Mobile image upload is a huge plus thus thanks to all who made it happen. It is allowing those who might not otherwise have be able to get involved to do so. Just saw this image come in through the mobile site http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dirty_white_pseudomembrane_classically_seen_in_diptheria_2013-07-06_11-07.jpg Awesome! Maryana, Kenan, and the mobile team will be psyched to hear this. :) I have never seen diphtheria as it is exceedingly rare in my area of the world. And technically this image is very hard to take. Look forwards to mobile editing arriving. Mobile editing is here now, on the m.wikipedia.org mobile website. You should see a pencil icon on every section. Feedback on how it works or doesn't for you would be most welcome, since it's only been out of beta since the end of July. -- James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine www.opentextbookofmedicine.com ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; ?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] is wikipedia zero illegal because it violates net neutrality?
It's fine (and necessary) to hold ourselves to our own ethical standards, but if we start trying to avoid activity that might be perceived as illegal in any country, we would run in to a lot of problems awfully fast. Trying to avoid activity that might be perceived as illegal somewhere in the world would result in Wikipedia being quite thoroughly censored and rather useless. I like Wikipedia Zero and don't see a problem with it, but if we do want to have a debate about whether or not it's a morally acceptable project, it should at least be framed as 'does this project violate the Wikimedia movement's principles?' and not 'does this project violate the law in any country in the world?' Kevin Gorman On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 11:50 AM, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.comwrote: hi, most people know some advantage of wikipedia zero and everybody can look up the advantages by just typing wikipedia zero into some search engine. as i am not sure about the answer and anyway get asked in rare cases what i think of wp:zero i guess it should be best answered on the mailing list: is wikipedia zero illegal in some countries because it violates net neutrality? and if it is illegal or borderline according to, say, netherlands, swiss, or german law, is it appropriate to do it in countries where the law is less developed? or should wikimedia foundation apply a higher moral standard and just abstain from any activity which might be perceived as illegal somewhere? just for the ones not so sure about net neutrality [1]: Internet service providers and governments should treat all data on the Internet equally, not discriminating or charging differentially by user, content, site, platform, application, type of attached equipment, and modes of communication. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality rupert. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] The failure of Google, looking for open source alternatives
On 25 August 2013 21:45, Peter Gervai grin...@gmail.com wrote: this is one point where WMF _may_ be able to help, We already have Special:Nearby https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Nearby It shouldn't be a great leap to make (the back end of) that page emit a KML file (it's a list of geocoded articles, after all) and pass them to Google., or indeed another KML-compatible service. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mobile image upload
It does, however, get its share of exactly what one would expect: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lil_brownie_2013-08-19_19-33.jpg KWW Op 2013/08/25 17:08, Sue Gardner schreef: Wow, that *is* great. Thank you for showing us, James :-) On Aug 25, 2013 5:14 AM, James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com wrote: Mobile image upload is a huge plus thus thanks to all who made it happen. It is allowing those who might not otherwise have be able to get involved to do so. Just saw this image come in through the mobile site http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dirty_white_pseudomembrane_classically_seen_in_diptheria_2013-07-06_11-07.jpg I have never seen diphtheria as it is exceedingly rare in my area of the world. And technically this image is very hard to take. Look forwards to mobile editing arriving. -- James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine www.opentextbookofmedicine.com ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mobile image upload
If we make it easier for people to contribute, we're also making it easier for people to contribute stuff we don't want. The tradeoff is definitely worth it though. Cheers, Craig On 26/08/2013 10:56 AM, Kevin Wayne Williams kwwilli...@kwwilliams.com wrote: It does, however, get its share of exactly what one would expect: http://commons.wikimedia.org/**wiki/File:Lil_brownie_2013-08-** 19_19-33.jpghttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lil_brownie_2013-08-19_19-33.jpg KWW Op 2013/08/25 17:08, Sue Gardner schreef: Wow, that *is* great. Thank you for showing us, James :-) On Aug 25, 2013 5:14 AM, James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com wrote: Mobile image upload is a huge plus thus thanks to all who made it happen. It is allowing those who might not otherwise have be able to get involved to do so. Just saw this image come in through the mobile site http://commons.wikimedia.org/**wiki/File:Dirty_white_** pseudomembrane_classically_**seen_in_diptheria_2013-07-06_**11-07.jpghttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dirty_white_pseudomembrane_classically_seen_in_diptheria_2013-07-06_11-07.jpg I have never seen diphtheria as it is exceedingly rare in my area of the world. And technically this image is very hard to take. Look forwards to mobile editing arriving. -- James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine www.opentextbookofmedicine.com __**_ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.**org Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l , mailto:wikimedia-l-request@**lists.wikimedia.orgwikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org ?subject=**unsubscribe __**_ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.**org Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@**lists.wikimedia.orgwikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org ?subject=**unsubscribe __**_ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.**org Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@**lists.wikimedia.orgwikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org ?subject=**unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal - Training for Wikimedia movement boards
On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote: All the options of external training I'm aware of are cheaper than international workshops (I don't know about Boardsource and specially-hired consultants). you mean locally organized training? Perhaps, especially if the board members could join running courses (rather than have one tailor-made, although our movement specifics would make it a bit less useful). Of course, there would be no added value of stimulating cross-chapter collaboration, knowledge exchange, etc. best, dj ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] The Signpost -- Volume 9, Issue 33 -- 21 August 2013
From the editor: Call for contributors http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-08-21/From_the_editor WikiProject report: Today's article for improvement http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-08-21/WikiProject_report News and notes: Wikipedia's Manual of Style marches into Manning's sex change http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-08-21/News_and_notes Traffic report: ''Bad'' Cat http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-08-21/Traffic_report Discussion report: Skyscrapers, Gibraltar DYKs, Four Award, Secure login, and more http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-08-21/Discussion_report Featured content: Afrobeat http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-08-21/Featured_content Technology report: Generating musical scores with LilyPond http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-08-21/Technology_report Single page view http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signpost/Single PDF version http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-08-21 http://identi.ca/wikisignpost / https://twitter.com/wikisignpost -- Wikipedia Signpost Staff http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost ___ Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately directed to Wikimedia-l, the public mailing list of the Wikimedia community. For more information about Wikimedia-l: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ WikimediaAnnounce-l mailing list wikimediaannounc...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaannounce-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
