Re: [Wikimedia-l] FindArticles.com died in 2012

[Lilburne]

The average lifespan of a webpage is about 77 days. It matters not 
whether the site is still running or dead. Webmasters shuffle stuff 
about and delete things at will. Click on the random article button and 
see a) how many of the first 10 have external links, and b) how many of 
those links are still live, or don't redirect to the sites homepage. I 
reckon at least 50% of all external links on en.wp are dead. Lesson: the 
internet is ephemeral and the only permanent record is on physical material.


On 30/06/2015 05:36, Jonatan Svensson Glad wrote:

The website findarticles died in 2012 causing over 20 000 articles to have dead 
links on them. A few of them was backed up on Wayback, but their robot.txt 
changed so all those archives were deleted as well. So either articles have a 
dead link showing as 200 (which findlinks.com does) or they are claiming to be 
archived while they are not.
Read more in my blog post about this: 
https://jonatanglad.wordpress.com/2015/06/29/findarticles-com/
Can we use a bot to remove all instances of this link, or should we go through 
them all manually? Can we use bots such as CItation bot (which is currently 
blocked) to find doi's and other links to replace these links with? Ideas 
people! Barely any of these links are tagged as dead, and can't by Checklinks 
(unless done manually) since they show as 200.
/Josve05a



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] FindArticles.com died in 2012

[Ricordisamoa]

Il 30/06/2015 11:41, Lilburne ha scritto:
The average lifespan of a webpage is about 77 days. It matters not 
whether the site is still running or dead. Webmasters shuffle stuff 
about and delete things at will. Click on the random article button 
and see a) how many of the first 10 have external links, and b) how 
many of those links are still live, or don't redirect to the sites 
homepage. I reckon at least 50% of all external links on en.wp are 
dead. Lesson: the internet is ephemeral and the only permanent record 
is on physical material.


Yes, if you forget 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_the_Library_of_Alexandria.




On 30/06/2015 05:36, Jonatan Svensson Glad wrote:
The website findarticles died in 2012 causing over 20 000 articles to 
have dead links on them. A few of them was backed up on Wayback, but 
their robot.txt changed so all those archives were deleted as well. 
So either articles have a dead link showing as 200 (which 
findlinks.com does) or they are claiming to be archived while they 
are not.
Read more in my blog post about this: 
https://jonatanglad.wordpress.com/2015/06/29/findarticles-com/
Can we use a bot to remove all instances of this link, or should we 
go through them all manually? Can we use bots such as CItation bot 
(which is currently blocked) to find doi's and other links to replace 
these links with? Ideas people! Barely any of these links are tagged 
as dead, and can't by Checklinks (unless done manually) since they 
show as 200.

/Josve05a



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] FindArticles.com died in 2012

[Lilburne]

On 30/06/2015 10:58, Ricordisamoa wrote:

Il 30/06/2015 11:41, Lilburne ha scritto:
The average lifespan of a webpage is about 77 days. It matters not 
whether the site is still running or dead. Webmasters shuffle stuff 
about and delete things at will. Click on the random article button 
and see a) how many of the first 10 have external links, and b) how 
many of those links are still live, or don't redirect to the sites 
homepage. I reckon at least 50% of all external links on en.wp are 
dead. Lesson: the internet is ephemeral and the only permanent record 
is on physical material.


Yes, if you forget 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_the_Library_of_Alexandria.


Well of course that was some 1700 years ago. You are equating a event of 
millennial proportion with something that happens every day? Get a grip 
on reality.





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Re: [Wikimedia-l] FindArticles.com died in 2012

[Richard Symonds]

There's a point to be made there: Libraries in some countries are still
being destroyed (see
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jan/28/mali-timbuktu-library-ancient-manuscripts
and http://elaph.com/Web/Culture/2015/2/985403.html or
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/isis-burns-8000-rare-books-030900856.html),
and although there's an effort to save them, it's not an effort we're
really involved with. That's before we even start on how to reflect a
reference to a non-existent book on Wikipedia!

But to get back to the original point, a semi-automated effort might be the
best way (if the slowest) to get these web pages linked properly again.




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On 30 June 2015 at 11:06, Lilburne  wrote:

> On 30/06/2015 10:58, Ricordisamoa wrote:
>
>> Il 30/06/2015 11:41, Lilburne ha scritto:
>>
>>> The average lifespan of a webpage is about 77 days. It matters not
>>> whether the site is still running or dead. Webmasters shuffle stuff about
>>> and delete things at will. Click on the random article button and see a)
>>> how many of the first 10 have external links, and b) how many of those
>>> links are still live, or don't redirect to the sites homepage. I reckon at
>>> least 50% of all external links on en.wp are dead. Lesson: the internet is
>>> ephemeral and the only permanent record is on physical material.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, if you forget
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_the_Library_of_Alexandria.
>>
>
> Well of course that was some 1700 years ago. You are equating a event of
> millennial proportion with something that happens every day? Get a grip on
> reality.
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] FindArticles.com died in 2012

[Hong, Yongmin]

Try to find links from https://archive.org/web/ , http://webcitation.org ,
or https://archive.is (note: this last one is blacklisted on enwp, iirc). I
revived few deadlinks (not this host though) from these archives.

And try to make habit of archiving websites when you cite something. I
think I once saw a project to automatically archive citation source links
but not sure about current status.

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2015. 6. 30. 오후 8:40에 "Richard Symonds" 님이
작성:

> There's a point to be made there: Libraries in some countries are still
> being destroyed (see
>
> http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jan/28/mali-timbuktu-library-ancient-manuscripts
> and http://elaph.com/Web/Culture/2015/2/985403.html or
> https://finance.yahoo.com/news/isis-burns-8000-rare-books-030900856.html),
> and although there's an effort to save them, it's not an effort we're
> really involved with. That's before we even start on how to reflect a
> reference to a non-existent book on Wikipedia!
>
> But to get back to the original point, a semi-automated effort might be the
> best way (if the slowest) to get these web pages linked properly again.
>
>
>
>
> Richard Symonds
> Wikimedia UK
> 0207 065 0992
>
> Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and
> Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered
> Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT.
> United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
> movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
> operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
>
> *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control
> over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
>
> On 30 June 2015 at 11:06, Lilburne  wrote:
>
> > On 30/06/2015 10:58, Ricordisamoa wrote:
> >
> >> Il 30/06/2015 11:41, Lilburne ha scritto:
> >>
> >>> The average lifespan of a webpage is about 77 days. It matters not
> >>> whether the site is still running or dead. Webmasters shuffle stuff
> about
> >>> and delete things at will. Click on the random article button and see
> a)
> >>> how many of the first 10 have external links, and b) how many of those
> >>> links are still live, or don't redirect to the sites homepage. I
> reckon at
> >>> least 50% of all external links on en.wp are dead. Lesson: the
> internet is
> >>> ephemeral and the only permanent record is on physical material.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Yes, if you forget
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_the_Library_of_Alexandria.
> >>
> >
> > Well of course that was some 1700 years ago. You are equating a event of
> > millennial proportion with something that happens every day? Get a grip
> on
> > reality.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] FindArticles.com died in 2012

[Peter Southwood]

How do you archive a website? I didn’t even know it was possible.
Peter

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Try to find links from https://archive.org/web/ , http://webcitation.org , or 
https://archive.is (note: this last one is blacklisted on enwp, iirc). I 
revived few deadlinks (not this host though) from these archives.

And try to make habit of archiving websites when you cite something. I think I 
once saw a project to automatically archive citation source links but not sure 
about current status.

--
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2015. 6. 30. 오후 8:40에 "Richard Symonds" 님이
작성:

> There's a point to be made there: Libraries in some countries are 
> still being destroyed (see
>
> http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jan/28/mali-timbuktu-library-anc
> ient-manuscripts and http://elaph.com/Web/Culture/2015/2/985403.html 
> or 
> https://finance.yahoo.com/news/isis-burns-8000-rare-books-030900856.ht
> ml), and although there's an effort to save them, it's not an effort 
> we're really involved with. That's before we even start on how to 
> reflect a reference to a non-existent book on Wikipedia!
>
> But to get back to the original point, a semi-automated effort might 
> be the best way (if the slowest) to get these web pages linked properly again.
>
>
>
>
> Richard Symonds
> Wikimedia UK
> 0207 065 0992
>
> Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England 
> and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. 
> Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London 
> EC2A 4LT.
> United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia 
> movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation 
> (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
>
> *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal 
> control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
>
> On 30 June 2015 at 11:06, Lilburne  wrote:
>
> > On 30/06/2015 10:58, Ricordisamoa wrote:
> >
> >> Il 30/06/2015 11:41, Lilburne ha scritto:
> >>
> >>> The average lifespan of a webpage is about 77 days. It matters not 
> >>> whether the site is still running or dead. Webmasters shuffle 
> >>> stuff
> about
> >>> and delete things at will. Click on the random article button and 
> >>> see
> a)
> >>> how many of the first 10 have external links, and b) how many of 
> >>> those links are still live, or don't redirect to the sites 
> >>> homepage. I
> reckon at
> >>> least 50% of all external links on en.wp are dead. Lesson: the
> internet is
> >>> ephemeral and the only permanent record is on physical material.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Yes, if you forget
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_the_Library_of_Alexandria.
> >>
> >
> > Well of course that was some 1700 years ago. You are equating a 
> > event of millennial proportion with something that happens every 
> > day? Get a grip
> on
> > reality.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] FindArticles.com died in 2012

[Isaac David]

Le mar. 30 juin 2015 à 4:41, Lilburne  a 
écrit :

Lesson: the
internet is ephemeral and the only permanent record is on physical 
material.


Digital media can be more technically demanding to work with, but I 
wouldn't say it is intrinsically ephemeral, much less that physical 
media is more enduring or even that it is the only trustworthy medium. 
Both hard and electronic information need a physical substratum, the 
difference is that digital computers make the substratum irrelevant, 
for they excell at making perfect copies to a different substratum with 
negligible cost. Networking and free/open formats enhence the advantage 
of digital media over physical ones.


The Web is to be blamed for the problem of dead links, not the 
Internet. This is particular to how URLs work. The copyright industry 
trolls can attest how difficult it is to kill resources identified by 
name or content, not location; for instance, using magnet links.

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[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Board approval of FDC Recommendations Round 2 2014-2015

[Frieda Brioschi]

Dear members of the Wikimedia community,

On behalf of the Board of Trustees of the Wikimedia Foundation, I want to
share the news that we have approved [1] the Funds Dissemination
Committee’s Round 2 2014-2015 recommendations [2] for the Annual Plan
Grants. In this round, five Wikimedia organizations will be receiving a
total of roughly $1,248,913, for a total of $5,060,913 allocated in both
rounds in 2014-2015. Grants are made in local currency, so the USD figure
is approximate. The remaining $939,087 from the FDC’s $6 million grants
envelope this year will be returned to the Wikimedia Foundation.

Congratulations to Wikimedia Armenia, Wikimedia Italia, Wikimedia
Norge, Wikimédia
France
,
and Centre for Internet and Society (CIS)! To the volunteers, staff, and
boards of these organizations receiving annual plan grants, we commend you
for your good work. It is not easy to develop strategic and impactful
annual plans, and we thank you for all you have done. We look forward to
the year ahead.

Sincerely,

Frieda and María, on behalf of the WMF Board of Trustees


[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Board_decisions/2014-2015_round2

[2]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/FDC_portal/FDC_recommendations/2014-2015_round2

[3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals



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