Re: [Wikimedia-l] Questions about proposed new Chapter agreement for Wikimedia Portugal

[Frans Grijzenhout]

Hi Gonçalo, It might also be useful to compare the new proposed Chapter
Agreement with a few existing Agreements from other chapters. Might give
you a better insight in the proposed changes and also provide you with some
alternative formulations. You can find ours here:
https://nl.wikimedia.org/wiki/Bestand:Chapter_agreement.pdf

I will also ask the moderator on the session on bylaws during the Board
Member Training if he can pay some attention to the Chapter Agreement as
well.
Regards, Frans


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Op di 29 jan. 2019 om 14:22 schreef GoEthe.wiki :

> Hi,
>
> Thank you all for the insightful and reassuring responses.
> WMF agreed to extend our current chapter agreement for a couple of months
> so that we have more time to go over the details and ask questions, and
> discuss it with the membership of the chapter.
> Cheers,
>
> Gonçalo Themudo
>
> *Presidente*
> *Wikimedia Portugal*
> *Email: *goethe.w...@gmail.com
> *Website: *http://pt.wikimedia.org 
> *Imagine um mundo onde cada ser humano pode partilhar livremente a soma de
> todo o conhecimento, na sua própria língua.*
>
>
>
> GoEthe.wiki  escreveu no dia segunda, 28/01/2019
> à(s) 01:58:
>
> > (sorry for cross-posting, but since this is a time sensitive issue, I
> > would like to get as many comments as possible)
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> > Last 30 October, the Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) decided it needed more
> > time to evaluate the case of Wikimedia Portugal, it extended the
> suspension
> > of Wikimedia Portugal, and said that they must use the time that would
> > otherwise be the termination period for the Chapter Agreement between
> > Wikimedia Portugal and the Wikimedia Foundation, therefore giving notice
> of
> > termination of the Chapter Agreement. WMF also said that if Wikimedia
> > Portugal fully and completely resolved the issues described above and
> > otherwise remained compliant with its obligations as a chapter - which
> > happened, and the suspension was lifted - then WMF would sign a new
> chapter
> > agreement with Wikimedia Portugal. The current chapter agreement
> therefore
> > terminates this 31 January. On 25 January WMF sent us a new proposal of
> > Chapter Agreement for Wikimedia Portugal to sign. It can be seen here,
> side
> > by side with the current Chapter Agreement Wikimedia Portugal has with
> the
> > WMF:
> >
> > https://pt.wikimedia.org/wiki/Utilizador:Alchimista/Chapter_Agreement
> >
> > This new proposal differs in many ways from the Chapter Agreement
> > currently in place, and from the ones other chapters have signed (at
> least
> > the ones that are public) and we have several questions about it, so we
> > would like to ask the Wikimedia Portugal associates, other affiliates and
> > the Wikimedia community in general to help us by clarifying some of these
> > questions and weigh in on the advantages and disadvantages of continuing
> > being a WMF affiliate under these changed conditions.
> >
> > We have also accordingly asked from the WMF a two month extension of the
> > current Chapter Agreement, to allow for proper discussion of their
> proposal.
> >
> >
> > Main concerns:
> >
> > These are some of the main differences we found that are concerning us
> > (first in italic the current agreement, second in bold the new proposal)
> >
> >-
> >
> >“This Chapter is authorized to cover the geographic region of the
> >Portugal. The Foundation will not seek to create or authorize the
> creation
> >of any additional chapter within this geographic region. The
> Foundation
> >will not engage with other local organizations without consulting
> with the
> >chapter.” (Current CA) disappears entirely, and becomes “WMF hereby
> >recognizes Chapter as part of the Wikimedia movement supporting its
> Focus
> >Area.” (i.e. Portugal)
> >-
> >
> >Chapter shall do business as “Wikimedia Portugal, an independent
> >organization for Wikimedia volunteers in Portugal”, irrespective of
> its
> >locally incorporated name. - this seems unique among chapters, and in
> >our view conflicts  with the possibility of affiliates including both
> >volunteers and professionals, as well as both Wikimedians and people
> >otherwise engaged and interested in programs, such as teachers,
> librarians
> >and museologists.  The tagline also seems cumbersome, awkward and we
> don’t
> >understand its purpose.
> >
> >
> >-
> >
> >The Foundation agrees to support the activities of the Chapter and to
> >not engage in any activity that might negatively impact the work or
> image
> >of the Chapter.  (This disappears in the current proposed agreement)
> >-
> >
> >Exhibit B, 2. Approved use: Use of trademarks seems to be limited to
> >the geographic space of 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Questions about proposed new Chapter agreement for Wikimedia Portugal

[GoEthe.wiki]

Hi,

Thank you all for the insightful and reassuring responses.
WMF agreed to extend our current chapter agreement for a couple of months
so that we have more time to go over the details and ask questions, and
discuss it with the membership of the chapter.
Cheers,

Gonçalo Themudo

*Presidente*
*Wikimedia Portugal*
*Email: *goethe.w...@gmail.com
*Website: *http://pt.wikimedia.org 
*Imagine um mundo onde cada ser humano pode partilhar livremente a soma de
todo o conhecimento, na sua própria língua.*



GoEthe.wiki  escreveu no dia segunda, 28/01/2019
à(s) 01:58:

> (sorry for cross-posting, but since this is a time sensitive issue, I
> would like to get as many comments as possible)
>
> Dear all,
>
> Last 30 October, the Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) decided it needed more
> time to evaluate the case of Wikimedia Portugal, it extended the suspension
> of Wikimedia Portugal, and said that they must use the time that would
> otherwise be the termination period for the Chapter Agreement between
> Wikimedia Portugal and the Wikimedia Foundation, therefore giving notice of
> termination of the Chapter Agreement. WMF also said that if Wikimedia
> Portugal fully and completely resolved the issues described above and
> otherwise remained compliant with its obligations as a chapter - which
> happened, and the suspension was lifted - then WMF would sign a new chapter
> agreement with Wikimedia Portugal. The current chapter agreement therefore
> terminates this 31 January. On 25 January WMF sent us a new proposal of
> Chapter Agreement for Wikimedia Portugal to sign. It can be seen here, side
> by side with the current Chapter Agreement Wikimedia Portugal has with the
> WMF:
>
> https://pt.wikimedia.org/wiki/Utilizador:Alchimista/Chapter_Agreement
>
> This new proposal differs in many ways from the Chapter Agreement
> currently in place, and from the ones other chapters have signed (at least
> the ones that are public) and we have several questions about it, so we
> would like to ask the Wikimedia Portugal associates, other affiliates and
> the Wikimedia community in general to help us by clarifying some of these
> questions and weigh in on the advantages and disadvantages of continuing
> being a WMF affiliate under these changed conditions.
>
> We have also accordingly asked from the WMF a two month extension of the
> current Chapter Agreement, to allow for proper discussion of their proposal.
>
>
> Main concerns:
>
> These are some of the main differences we found that are concerning us
> (first in italic the current agreement, second in bold the new proposal)
>
>-
>
>“This Chapter is authorized to cover the geographic region of the
>Portugal. The Foundation will not seek to create or authorize the creation
>of any additional chapter within this geographic region. The Foundation
>will not engage with other local organizations without consulting with the
>chapter.” (Current CA) disappears entirely, and becomes “WMF hereby
>recognizes Chapter as part of the Wikimedia movement supporting its Focus
>Area.” (i.e. Portugal)
>-
>
>Chapter shall do business as “Wikimedia Portugal, an independent
>organization for Wikimedia volunteers in Portugal”, irrespective of its
>locally incorporated name. - this seems unique among chapters, and in
>our view conflicts  with the possibility of affiliates including both
>volunteers and professionals, as well as both Wikimedians and people
>otherwise engaged and interested in programs, such as teachers, librarians
>and museologists.  The tagline also seems cumbersome, awkward and we don’t
>understand its purpose.
>
>
>-
>
>The Foundation agrees to support the activities of the Chapter and to
>not engage in any activity that might negatively impact the work or image
>of the Chapter.  (This disappears in the current proposed agreement)
>-
>
>Exhibit B, 2. Approved use: Use of trademarks seems to be limited to
>the geographic space of Portugal: “with respect to Chapter’s
>activities in Portugal”. Does this mean that use in events, activities
>and partnerships involving other countries (Wikimedia España, other
>Iberocoop members, etc) requires a special authorization beforehand?
>-
>
>Exhibit B, 2. Approved use: “Promotion material that is not intended
>for Wikimedia outreach activities or community-focused events as defined in
>the Wikimedia Trademark Policy (which may be found at <
>https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Trademark_policy >) are not
>approved under this License and would require specific approval under
>Section 3 below.” This one is a bit convoluted and even within our
>group we have different understanding of what this means. Many of our
>present and past activities include GLAM partnerships, photo contests, and
>conferences not in “WikiCon” style. By following the link for the Trademark
>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Bounties…

[Sylvain Boissel]

There was also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiMoney before
that but it never really worked either.

Le dim. 27 janv. 2019 à 08:10, AntiCompositeNumber <
anticompositenum...@gmail.com> a écrit :

> The   does
> exist, but it doesn't seem to get much attention.
>
> On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 1:29 PM geni  wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 at 16:07, John Erling Blad  wrote:
> > >
> > > I was thinking about actually bounties, like in bug bounties from
> > > larger software vendors. We have some "bugs", like spellchecking,
> > > which is pretty easy to quantify, and that can be done as part of
> > > bounties with cash. Yes, the ugly word, paid editing! OMG!
> > >
> > > But quite frankly, why should we not? ¢1 per fixed single word typo
> > > that leads to one-less spelling error? Perhaps even $1 per
> > > spellchecked page? Delayed one week to see if anyone reverts the
> > > edits?
> > >
> >
> > You've just created a financial incentive to include spelling errors.
> >
> > --
> > geni
> >
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