Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Welcoming Ryan Merkley to the Wikimedia Foundation

[Paulo Santos Perneta]

Glad to have someone from CC onboard, welcome Ryan!

Paulo

Katherine Maher  escreveu no dia terça, 13/08/2019
à(s) 23:02:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I’m excited to let you all know that Ryan Merkley, formerly CEO of
> Creative Commons, is joining the Wikimedia Foundation as my new chief of
> staff.
>
> Many of you have met Ryan before -- at CC Summit, Wikimania, Wikimedia
> Summit, or MozFest. He’s a leader in open source, open knowledge, and
> free-culture communities, and for the past five years, he’s been the CEO of
> Creative Commons, initiating programs like CC search to index all 1.6
> billion licensed works online. He’s passionate about the power of the
> commons, and the role that everyone can play in making it sustainable and
> open to all. I couldn’t be happier he’s now bringing this passion and
> experience to our movement.
>
> In Ryan’s own words, “My heart has always been in open communities, and
>  the power of collective acts --  that is, the things that people can only
> do when they work together, like building a commons of free knowledge for
> every person.”
>
> For now, Ryan’s two top priorities will be bolstering the work of the
> movement strategy team and supporting the Board. He’ll support the strategy
> core team to move the Working Group recommendations into implementation
> within the community and Foundation over the course of the coming year.
> He’ll also serve as Board liaison to the Board of Trustees, strengthening
> the connections, communications, and coordination between Trustees and the
> Foundation. Internally, he’ll support the office of the Executive Director,
> acting in my stead on various projects.
>
> I’m excited by this new role for an old friend of the open community. Ryan
> knows our movement well. He has spent many hours with many Wikimedians, and
> understands the centrality of the community to the Wikimedia mission and
> identity. His background as a partner to Wikimedia, and a leader in the
> broader open movement will be invaluable to our work, and confirmation of
> the importance of community experience in Foundation leadership.
>
> Ryan doesn’t start in his new role until Monday, September 16th. However,
> he will be at Wikimania, so for those of you attending, please say hi, and
> join me in welcoming him to Wikimedia!
>
> Katherine
>
> P.S. This announcement can also be found on our news page:
> https://wikimediafoundation.org/news/2019/08/13/wikimedia-foundation-welcomes-ryan-merkley-as-chief-of-staff-to-the-office-of-the-executive-director
>
> --
>
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>
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>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Welcoming Ryan Merkley to the Wikimedia Foundation

[Olushola Olaniyan]

Ryan,

Congratulations!!!

You are welcome on board.

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 23:01 Katherine Maher  wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I’m excited to let you all know that Ryan Merkley, formerly CEO of
> Creative Commons, is joining the Wikimedia Foundation as my new chief of
> staff.
>
> Many of you have met Ryan before -- at CC Summit, Wikimania, Wikimedia
> Summit, or MozFest. He’s a leader in open source, open knowledge, and
> free-culture communities, and for the past five years, he’s been the CEO of
> Creative Commons, initiating programs like CC search to index all 1.6
> billion licensed works online. He’s passionate about the power of the
> commons, and the role that everyone can play in making it sustainable and
> open to all. I couldn’t be happier he’s now bringing this passion and
> experience to our movement.
>
> In Ryan’s own words, “My heart has always been in open communities, and
>  the power of collective acts --  that is, the things that people can only
> do when they work together, like building a commons of free knowledge for
> every person.”
>
> For now, Ryan’s two top priorities will be bolstering the work of the
> movement strategy team and supporting the Board. He’ll support the strategy
> core team to move the Working Group recommendations into implementation
> within the community and Foundation over the course of the coming year.
> He’ll also serve as Board liaison to the Board of Trustees, strengthening
> the connections, communications, and coordination between Trustees and the
> Foundation. Internally, he’ll support the office of the Executive Director,
> acting in my stead on various projects.
>
> I’m excited by this new role for an old friend of the open community. Ryan
> knows our movement well. He has spent many hours with many Wikimedians, and
> understands the centrality of the community to the Wikimedia mission and
> identity. His background as a partner to Wikimedia, and a leader in the
> broader open movement will be invaluable to our work, and confirmation of
> the importance of community experience in Foundation leadership.
>
> Ryan doesn’t start in his new role until Monday, September 16th. However,
> he will be at Wikimania, so for those of you attending, please say hi, and
> join me in welcoming him to Wikimedia!
>
> Katherine
>
> P.S. This announcement can also be found on our news page:
> https://wikimediafoundation.org/news/2019/08/13/wikimedia-foundation-welcomes-ryan-merkley-as-chief-of-staff-to-the-office-of-the-executive-director
>
> --
>
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>
> Executive Director
>
> Wikimedia Foundation 
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The timeline of the Wikimedia strategy: please reconsider!

[Peter Southwood]

I agree that a lot of review and comment is needed before some of these items 
can be considered ready for further development. The amount may differ, so why 
not use the Wikipedian method of allowing each recommendation to remain open 
for discussion as long as it is being actively discussed (and relevant 
questions remain unanswered - if questions are not answered  it may be 
necessary to close as no consensus, in which case probably best abandoned as a 
waste of time and effort). 
Cheers, 
Peter

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Paulo Santos Perneta
Sent: 15 August 2019 13:10
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] The timeline of the Wikimedia strategy: please 
reconsider!

I subscribe Ziko's request to redefine the timeline of Strategy 2030, for
the stated reasons. Not only it looks absurd, looking at the quality of the
published materials, which are obviously not fit for a final discussion on
this mater, but also because there's no rush to present results already in
October.
Rushing to present a final set of recommendations, without proper
discussion, risks producing a faulty and immature document, facing a
barrage of resistence from the part of the community when trying to
implement the recommendations, and basically destroy more than 1 year of
hard work from everyone involved (core team, WGs, liasion, and the part of
the community who involved itself on the process).

I endorse the request to the Strategy 2030 Core Team: Please review your
schedule, and adjust your timetable, so to allow some reasonable time for
that draft to be discussed and properly finished.

Best,
Paulo

Ziko van Dijk  escreveu no dia quarta, 14/08/2019 à(s)
14:48:

> Hello,
>
> Recently, the "draft recommendations" of the strategy working groups have
> been published. As Nicole informed us, they are "key tools" for the future
> of the movement. These documents are the result of one year of work of the
> working groups.
>
> If I am not mistaken, the Wikimedia volunteers now have one month to give
> feedback. In October, the process of refining and finalizing has to be
> ready, and in November, the movement will have to start with implementing
> the recommendations.
>
> Having seen now more of the documents, my conclusion can only be one: the
> documents are simply not ready for this stage of the process. They are much
> more unready than they should be for being put to the eyes of the Wikimeda
> volunteers.
>
> There are documents in which there is only one question answered, by one
> sentence. Other documents don't show that any research has been used to
> back the statements. Many obvious arguments and links are missing. At least
> at one occasion I read as an answer to an important question: "todo".
>
> The proposals often give the impression that they are not thought through.
> There should be quotas for admins, but we see nowhere an explanation how
> that would relate to the right to remain anonymous. There is the statement
> that minorities sometimes can only express themselves with ND and NC
> content, but the two links in the document hardly back that claim. After
> years in which the Wikimedia organizations and other free and open content
> organizations taught us that NC is problematic, now such a drastic change?
>
> And there is this already infamous sentence: Instead of being informed
> about the possible negative impacts of NC and ND, we only read: "All change
> has negative connotations to some members of the community."
>
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups/Diversity/Recommendations/9
>
> I find it stunning that there was nobody who went through the documents
> before publication and said: we cannot publish this sentence, it is giving
> a very bad impression about our attitude towards the community (= the very
> same people we are asking to invest their time for giving feedback).
>
> This does not mean that all documents or all sections and recommendations
> are unusable or damaging. I also cannot judge about the efforts invested,
> as I have no insight in the inner workings. But it is very frustrating for
> me to read the documents and often have to guess what they actually mean.
> And it seems to me, given the comments on the user pages on Meta Wiki, on
> this list, on de:WP:Kurier and on Facebook, that I am not the only one who
> feels this frustration.
>
> Therefore, I ask the people responsible: please reconsider the timeline. If
> these documents are the result of one year work, then the documents will
> not be ready within two and a half months. Consider several months for the
> working groups to use the present feedback for a redraft, and then give the
> Wikimedia volunteers at least the same amount of time for giving feedback
> again.
>
> Kind regards
> Ziko
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

[Peter Southwood]

Done,
Cheers,
Peter

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Aron Manning
Sent: 15 August 2019 07:01
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

Peter, this is a very thoughtful suggestion. I'm not sure the WG members
will see it here, maybe you could post on the talk page? I haven't seen it
there.

Aron


On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 12:00, Peter Southwood 
wrote:

> One way to make it very clear is to have a separate project for non-free
> and pseudo-free media. Keep it off Commons altogether, so Commonists have
> no new problems, and to use it on a project would require specific
> permission by that project, so that Commons is not the only repository that
> can be used. Keep Commons the default, and make it necessary to use a
> prefix to use the not-so-free media files, so it is quite clear that they
> are different. If it is all on Commons, people will be sneaking it onto
> projects where it is not allowed, making yet more maintenance work for
> volunteers who might prefer to spend their time creating and improving
> valid content. To make it less of a hassle, the upload wizard could
> automatically switch to the alternative project if any of a specific range
> of licences were to be used, with an explanation of why the file could not
> be stored on Commons.
> Cheers,
> Peter
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Welcoming Ryan Merkley to the Wikimedia Foundation

[Chris Keating]

> "*support the strategy core team to move the Working Group recommendations
> into implementation within the community and Foundation over the course of
> the coming year."*
>
> Does that mean that it has already been decided to implement those
> rcommendations, irrespective to the views of the Community?
>
>
No, just that it's expect that at least some recommendations will be
implemented in some way. In some areas it might well be that some of the
final recommendations involve a further period of consultation and
discussion.

Chris
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Welcoming Ryan Merkley to the Wikimedia Foundation

[Jeff Hawke]

"*support the strategy core team to move the Working Group recommendations
into implementation within the community and Foundation over the course of
the coming year."*

Does that mean that it has already been decided to implement those
rcommendations, irrespective to the views of the Community?

Jeff
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

[Paulo Santos Perneta]

Hello Leila,

Just two quick notes on what you've said:
*" We should get comfortable thinking about these trade-offs as we think
about how to bring more diverse people and content to the project" - I face
this argument constantly in my life as an active Wikimedian. University
teachers tell we can have all papers from their university on Commons,
Wikisource, if we allow NC-ND. VIPs tell me they will give a number of
exclusive materials, given that they are blocked from commercial use.
Professional photographers, same story. To all of them I explain this is a
question of a basic principle of the project, the principle of Free
Knowledge, and that this is the essence, this is at the core of Wikimedia
projects, and can't be negotiated. This is how I've been understanding our
communities general thinking and ideals for the many years I've been
around, so changing that to accommodate more diversity really seems
something absolutely alien to our mission as Wikimedians, independently of
the merits of the content that could be incorporated in the projects that
way.
*In order to protect local folklore from "undue exploitation", Mozambique
government has decided that all manifestations of folklore in the country
are protected by copyright, and that they own that copyright. Result: we
end up with an huge cultural gap in Mozambique at the Wikimedia projects.
Not only in Mozambique, but in a number of other countries that apply
similar legal restrictions to this kind of cultural materials.

The solution for both cases has been, for well more than a decade, to
include that content as necessary under special provisions in some of our
projects - SEE EDP at
https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Licensing_policy -
depending on approval of the project local community. So the solution for
that problem already exists for long, and this is not only reinventing the
wheel, but doing so at the expense of our most dear core principles and
mission.

Best,
Paulo


Leila Zia  escreveu no dia quinta, 15/08/2019 à(s)
05:42:

> Hi Paulo,
>
> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 6:38 PM Paulo Santos Perneta
>  wrote:
> >
> > If they don't have legal resources, then it is pointless to use NC ND for
> > the content, as they will not be suing anyone that ignores the license
> and
> > commercializes it anyway.
>
> In practice, this can happen. Two points to keep in mind:
>
> * Building trust and relationships with new communities may require
> taking steps that we may not have been taking so far. People operate
> in different contexts and they have varying experiences, and we may
> sometimes have to change the way we do things to include them and
> their knowledge. We should get comfortable thinking about these
> trade-offs as we think about how to bring more diverse people and
> content to the project. (I'm not arguing that we should do what this
> proposal says at this point. We should discuss it though in the talk
> page.)
>
> * Having some legal pathway can be attractive to some folks, /even if/
> they don't exercise it. This is an assurance that they can have some
> control over their culture and the narratives around it and I can see
> how this can be important for some marginalized communities. This
> middle step may be needed. Also, if the legal pathway is there, they
> can always some day decide to pursue it.
>
> > If such knowledge can't be freely shared, then it has no place in
> Commons,
> > in my opinion. If that makes it less visible, then that is the problem of
> > the communities that don't share it freely. One cannot have both things
> at
> > the same time.
>
> Two points again: ;)
>
> * Re Commons or not is something we should discuss in the talk pages.
> Peter had some really good points early on on this thread about the 3
> different options available.
>
> * This won't be only their problem. It will be our shared problem. If
> Commons ends up not being the solution, we shouldn't stop there. We
> should think through what else we can do to make bringing of their
> knowledge to Wikimedia projects happen. While I don't know what the
> answers are, I know that we should try more. From a narrow research
> perspective: this is immensely important for addressing Wikimedia's
> knowledge gaps for the sake of our own immediate users but also for
> the sake of indirect users of Wikimedia content. Wikimedia is imo one
> of the cornerstones of the Web. The content we collectively bring to
> Wikimedia projects is no longer /just/ used directly on Wikipedia
> (even that alone is enough argument to attempt to find solutions for
> the kind of gaps we're talking about). It's being used by a variety of
> technologies to build algorithms and machines that have impact on
> people's lives. Gaps in Wikimedia can become a source of bias and gaps
> on search engines, home devices, school material, ... .
>
> I'll keep the specific comments about the proposals for the talk pages.
>
> Best,
> Leila
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

[Peter Southwood]

"All change has negative connotations to some members of the community".
That statement may be true, but it is not useful. Not even slightly. It could 
serve as a preamble to a detailed exposition, but on its own in the specific 
context it just looks arrogant and incompetent.
Cheers,
Peter

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Andy Mabbett
Sent: 14 August 2019 18:08
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On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 22:09, Pine W  wrote:

> I don't want people to feel that their ideas are being casually dismissed

I don't want people to feel their genuine concerns are being casually
dismissed; not least with glib lines like "All change has negative
connotations to some members of the community".

-- 
Andy Mabbett
@pigsonthewing
http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

[Peter Southwood]

That is a way you can look at it, but is it realistic? (it would depend on 
details, which we do not have) SF is an expensive place to pay staff, and the 
SF point of view may be overrepresented. Spreading it around a bit may be 
better value for money, and could improve diversity and inclusion. The devil is 
in the details, and we have no details yet. 
Cheers,
Peter

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Paulo Santos Perneta
Sent: 14 August 2019 16:16
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

" To distribute many of the function now at WMF in SF to different
locations in the world (whereof 50% in Global south)" - Distributing work
now being paid with US wages to US staff at SF to people at the Global
South paying "Global South wages" sounds a lot like moving the factories
from San Francisco to Dhaka because wages are much lower there, while
parading it as moving towards "diversity" and "inclusion".

Paulo

Anders Wennersten  escreveu no dia segunda,
12/08/2019 à(s) 18:31:

> I want to express my appreciation for the work being done and the result.
>
> I am not able to get to grips with all parts of the recommendation but
> as I understand there are two key messages:
>
> *To distribute  many of the function now at WMF in SF to different
> locations in the world (whereof 50% in Global south). I find this is
> most appropriate, both to lessen the feeling of We-them, but also to get
> more salaried people spread over the World. It is also a natural
> development as out organisation mature over time
>
> *To really go, without any compromise for the discussion in the movement
> in our communities must be held in a civil tone and in a friendly
> atmosphere  where respect for everyone is a key. I believe also this is
> long overdue and necessary when we now are over 15 years of age.
>
> I love these two issues and hope it will be implemented in full.
>
>   Anders
>
>
>
> Den 2019-08-12 kl. 17:51, skrev Nicole Ebber:
> > Dear all,
> >
> > We would like to offer further clarification that the recommendations for
> > Wikimedia 2030 [1] that were shared earlier with you are indeed drafts.
> > They represent discussions around a wide array of topics that the nine
> > thematic working groups, affiliates and communities had identified
> > important for our movement’s future. They are the product of
> conversations
> > over many months with a variety of stakeholders, and the working groups
> are
> > eager to hear from you. The draft recommendations are neither final nor
> > complete, but a continuation of an ongoing conversation happening across
> > wikis, platforms, surveys, meetings, and meet-ups. As such, constructive
> > feedback and solution-oriented suggestions are welcomed. The draft
> > recommendations are based on contexts that deserve due review and
> > reflection, and are the result of the efforts of many, rather than single
> > individuals.
> >
> > Many of the draft recommendations underline structural changes needed for
> > the growth and expansion of a movement like ours. Many are representative
> > of wider societal, historical and global dynamics around us. Please take
> > the time to review the draft recommendations in their entirety, pose
> > questions, hear from others, and in the spirit of collegial
> collaboration,
> > offer suggestions that you think can address the issues at hand. This is
> a
> > process for all of us to shape our shared future, together; let’s keep
> > engaging and challenging one another in this same spirit.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Nicole
> >
> > [1]
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations
> >
> > On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 at 15:49, Todd Allen  wrote:
> >
> >> "And just to keep this on track, what is your view on how we can
> >> incorporate
> >> indigenous knowledge without it becoming commercialised by the current
> >> licensing scheme?"
> >>
> >> We can't and no one can.
> >>
> >> Knowledge, ideas, and concepts cannot be copyrighted to begin with. Now,
> >> specific expressions of those ideas certainly can be, but the underlying
> >> facts and ideas cannot. If the expression of those ideas is to be on
> >> Wikimedia, they must be under an open content license, allowing reuse
> >> without regard to purpose. If someone would prefer to put their work
> under
> >> an NC license, then a free-content project is not the appropriate place
> for
> >> it. Many other places are happy to accept NC-licensed material. But even
> >> then, reuse of the concepts and facts cannot be prohibited no matter
> what
> >> one does.
> >>
> >> Todd
> >>
> >> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 5:47 AM Philip Kopetzky <
> philip.kopet...@gmail.com
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Please don't generalise frustration with your conduct on this list.
> >> You're
> >>> the only one telling people to shut up here.
> >>>
> >>> And just to keep this on track,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The timeline of the Wikimedia strategy: please reconsider!

[Paulo Santos Perneta]

I subscribe Ziko's request to redefine the timeline of Strategy 2030, for
the stated reasons. Not only it looks absurd, looking at the quality of the
published materials, which are obviously not fit for a final discussion on
this mater, but also because there's no rush to present results already in
October.
Rushing to present a final set of recommendations, without proper
discussion, risks producing a faulty and immature document, facing a
barrage of resistence from the part of the community when trying to
implement the recommendations, and basically destroy more than 1 year of
hard work from everyone involved (core team, WGs, liasion, and the part of
the community who involved itself on the process).

I endorse the request to the Strategy 2030 Core Team: Please review your
schedule, and adjust your timetable, so to allow some reasonable time for
that draft to be discussed and properly finished.

Best,
Paulo

Ziko van Dijk  escreveu no dia quarta, 14/08/2019 à(s)
14:48:

> Hello,
>
> Recently, the "draft recommendations" of the strategy working groups have
> been published. As Nicole informed us, they are "key tools" for the future
> of the movement. These documents are the result of one year of work of the
> working groups.
>
> If I am not mistaken, the Wikimedia volunteers now have one month to give
> feedback. In October, the process of refining and finalizing has to be
> ready, and in November, the movement will have to start with implementing
> the recommendations.
>
> Having seen now more of the documents, my conclusion can only be one: the
> documents are simply not ready for this stage of the process. They are much
> more unready than they should be for being put to the eyes of the Wikimeda
> volunteers.
>
> There are documents in which there is only one question answered, by one
> sentence. Other documents don't show that any research has been used to
> back the statements. Many obvious arguments and links are missing. At least
> at one occasion I read as an answer to an important question: "todo".
>
> The proposals often give the impression that they are not thought through.
> There should be quotas for admins, but we see nowhere an explanation how
> that would relate to the right to remain anonymous. There is the statement
> that minorities sometimes can only express themselves with ND and NC
> content, but the two links in the document hardly back that claim. After
> years in which the Wikimedia organizations and other free and open content
> organizations taught us that NC is problematic, now such a drastic change?
>
> And there is this already infamous sentence: Instead of being informed
> about the possible negative impacts of NC and ND, we only read: "All change
> has negative connotations to some members of the community."
>
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups/Diversity/Recommendations/9
>
> I find it stunning that there was nobody who went through the documents
> before publication and said: we cannot publish this sentence, it is giving
> a very bad impression about our attitude towards the community (= the very
> same people we are asking to invest their time for giving feedback).
>
> This does not mean that all documents or all sections and recommendations
> are unusable or damaging. I also cannot judge about the efforts invested,
> as I have no insight in the inner workings. But it is very frustrating for
> me to read the documents and often have to guess what they actually mean.
> And it seems to me, given the comments on the user pages on Meta Wiki, on
> this list, on de:WP:Kurier and on Facebook, that I am not the only one who
> feels this frustration.
>
> Therefore, I ask the people responsible: please reconsider the timeline. If
> these documents are the result of one year work, then the documents will
> not be ready within two and a half months. Consider several months for the
> working groups to use the present feedback for a redraft, and then give the
> Wikimedia volunteers at least the same amount of time for giving feedback
> again.
>
> Kind regards
> Ziko
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The timeline of the Wikimedia strategy: please reconsider!

[Philip Kopetzky]

Hey Ziko,

I'm sure you yourself can point out the recommendations that are based on a
year of deliberations and research than those that are not. It is pretty
hard work to gather all the feedback from the last year as well as analyse,
weight and incorporate it into the final recommendations. This work is
still taking place and won't be finished until mid-September, so right now
it would be great to get your view on the goals for 2030 in the
recommendations rather than pick apart one-liners (and those views a can
also be more than just one's own opinion, if you're so inclined).

Best,
Philip



On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 15:48, Ziko van Dijk  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Recently, the "draft recommendations" of the strategy working groups have
> been published. As Nicole informed us, they are "key tools" for the future
> of the movement. These documents are the result of one year of work of the
> working groups.
>
> If I am not mistaken, the Wikimedia volunteers now have one month to give
> feedback. In October, the process of refining and finalizing has to be
> ready, and in November, the movement will have to start with implementing
> the recommendations.
>
> Having seen now more of the documents, my conclusion can only be one: the
> documents are simply not ready for this stage of the process. They are much
> more unready than they should be for being put to the eyes of the Wikimeda
> volunteers.
>
> There are documents in which there is only one question answered, by one
> sentence. Other documents don't show that any research has been used to
> back the statements. Many obvious arguments and links are missing. At least
> at one occasion I read as an answer to an important question: "todo".
>
> The proposals often give the impression that they are not thought through.
> There should be quotas for admins, but we see nowhere an explanation how
> that would relate to the right to remain anonymous. There is the statement
> that minorities sometimes can only express themselves with ND and NC
> content, but the two links in the document hardly back that claim. After
> years in which the Wikimedia organizations and other free and open content
> organizations taught us that NC is problematic, now such a drastic change?
>
> And there is this already infamous sentence: Instead of being informed
> about the possible negative impacts of NC and ND, we only read: "All change
> has negative connotations to some members of the community."
>
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups/Diversity/Recommendations/9
>
> I find it stunning that there was nobody who went through the documents
> before publication and said: we cannot publish this sentence, it is giving
> a very bad impression about our attitude towards the community (= the very
> same people we are asking to invest their time for giving feedback).
>
> This does not mean that all documents or all sections and recommendations
> are unusable or damaging. I also cannot judge about the efforts invested,
> as I have no insight in the inner workings. But it is very frustrating for
> me to read the documents and often have to guess what they actually mean.
> And it seems to me, given the comments on the user pages on Meta Wiki, on
> this list, on de:WP:Kurier and on Facebook, that I am not the only one who
> feels this frustration.
>
> Therefore, I ask the people responsible: please reconsider the timeline. If
> these documents are the result of one year work, then the documents will
> not be ready within two and a half months. Consider several months for the
> working groups to use the present feedback for a redraft, and then give the
> Wikimedia volunteers at least the same amount of time for giving feedback
> again.
>
> Kind regards
> Ziko
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Welcoming Ryan Merkley to the Wikimedia Foundation

[kayode yussuf via Wikimedia-l]

Congratulations Ryan and welcome on board.
Kayode Yussuf 

On Thursday, August 15, 2019, 10:59:16 AM GMT+1, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel 
 wrote:  
 
 Such great news! Welcome, Ryan!



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On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 1:02 AM Katherine Maher 
wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I’m excited to let you all know that Ryan Merkley, formerly CEO of Creative
> Commons, is joining the Wikimedia Foundation as my new chief of staff.
>
> Many of you have met Ryan before -- at CC Summit, Wikimania, Wikimedia
> Summit, or MozFest. He’s a leader in open source, open knowledge, and
> free-culture communities, and for the past five years, he’s been the CEO of
> Creative Commons, initiating programs like CC search to index all 1.6
> billion licensed works online. He’s passionate about the power of the
> commons, and the role that everyone can play in making it sustainable and
> open to all. I couldn’t be happier he’s now bringing this passion and
> experience to our movement.
>
> In Ryan’s own words, “My heart has always been in open communities, and
>  the power of collective acts --  that is, the things that people can only
> do when they work together, like building a commons of free knowledge for
> every person.”
>
> For now, Ryan’s two top priorities will be bolstering the work of the
> movement strategy team and supporting the Board. He’ll support the strategy
> core team to move the Working Group recommendations into implementation
> within the community and Foundation over the course of the coming year.
> He’ll also serve as Board liaison to the Board of Trustees, strengthening
> the connections, communications, and coordination between Trustees and the
> Foundation. Internally, he’ll support the office of the Executive Director,
> acting in my stead on various projects.
>
> I’m excited by this new role for an old friend of the open community. Ryan
> knows our movement well. He has spent many hours with many Wikimedians, and
> understands the centrality of the community to the Wikimedia mission and
> identity. His background as a partner to Wikimedia, and a leader in the
> broader open movement will be invaluable to our work, and confirmation of
> the importance of community experience in Foundation leadership.
>
> Ryan doesn’t start in his new role until Monday, September 16th. However,
> he will be at Wikimania, so for those of you attending, please say hi, and
> join me in welcoming him to Wikimedia!
>
> Katherine
>
> P.S. This announcement can also be found on our news page:
>
> https://wikimediafoundation.org/news/2019/08/13/wikimedia-foundation-welcomes-ryan-merkley-as-chief-of-staff-to-the-office-of-the-executive-director
>
> --
>
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>
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>
> Wikimedia Foundation 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Welcoming Ryan Merkley to the Wikimedia Foundation

[Kalliope Tsouroupidou]

Welcome aboard, Ryan! Good to have you with us.

Warm regards,

K.

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 10:55 AM Isaac Olatunde 
wrote:

> Good news Katherine. I wish you all the best in your new role Merkley.
>
> Regards,
>
> Isaac
>
> On Thu, Aug 15, 2019, 8:56 AM Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
> it...@wikimedia.org.il wrote:
>
> > Such great news! Welcome, Ryan!
> >
> >
> >
> > *Itzik Edri*
> > Chairperson (volunteer)
> > it...@wikimedia.org.il
> > +972-54-5878078
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 1:02 AM Katherine Maher 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > I’m excited to let you all know that Ryan Merkley, formerly CEO of
> > Creative
> > > Commons, is joining the Wikimedia Foundation as my new chief of staff.
> > >
> > > Many of you have met Ryan before -- at CC Summit, Wikimania, Wikimedia
> > > Summit, or MozFest. He’s a leader in open source, open knowledge, and
> > > free-culture communities, and for the past five years, he’s been the
> CEO
> > of
> > > Creative Commons, initiating programs like CC search to index all 1.6
> > > billion licensed works online. He’s passionate about the power of the
> > > commons, and the role that everyone can play in making it sustainable
> and
> > > open to all. I couldn’t be happier he’s now bringing this passion and
> > > experience to our movement.
> > >
> > > In Ryan’s own words, “My heart has always been in open communities, and
> > >  the power of collective acts --  that is, the things that people can
> > only
> > > do when they work together, like building a commons of free knowledge
> for
> > > every person.”
> > >
> > > For now, Ryan’s two top priorities will be bolstering the work of the
> > > movement strategy team and supporting the Board. He’ll support the
> > strategy
> > > core team to move the Working Group recommendations into implementation
> > > within the community and Foundation over the course of the coming year.
> > > He’ll also serve as Board liaison to the Board of Trustees,
> strengthening
> > > the connections, communications, and coordination between Trustees and
> > the
> > > Foundation. Internally, he’ll support the office of the Executive
> > Director,
> > > acting in my stead on various projects.
> > >
> > > I’m excited by this new role for an old friend of the open community.
> > Ryan
> > > knows our movement well. He has spent many hours with many Wikimedians,
> > and
> > > understands the centrality of the community to the Wikimedia mission
> and
> > > identity. His background as a partner to Wikimedia, and a leader in the
> > > broader open movement will be invaluable to our work, and confirmation
> of
> > > the importance of community experience in Foundation leadership.
> > >
> > > Ryan doesn’t start in his new role until Monday, September 16th.
> However,
> > > he will be at Wikimania, so for those of you attending, please say hi,
> > and
> > > join me in welcoming him to Wikimedia!
> > >
> > > Katherine
> > >
> > > P.S. This announcement can also be found on our news page:
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://wikimediafoundation.org/news/2019/08/13/wikimedia-foundation-welcomes-ryan-merkley-as-chief-of-staff-to-the-office-of-the-executive-director
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Katherine Maher (she/her)
> > >
> > > Executive Director
> > >
> > > Wikimedia Foundation 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Welcoming Ryan Merkley to the Wikimedia Foundation

[Isaac Olatunde]

Good news Katherine. I wish you all the best in your new role Merkley.

Regards,

Isaac

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019, 8:56 AM Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
it...@wikimedia.org.il wrote:

> Such great news! Welcome, Ryan!
>
>
>
> *Itzik Edri*
> Chairperson (volunteer)
> it...@wikimedia.org.il
> +972-54-5878078
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 1:02 AM Katherine Maher 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I’m excited to let you all know that Ryan Merkley, formerly CEO of
> Creative
> > Commons, is joining the Wikimedia Foundation as my new chief of staff.
> >
> > Many of you have met Ryan before -- at CC Summit, Wikimania, Wikimedia
> > Summit, or MozFest. He’s a leader in open source, open knowledge, and
> > free-culture communities, and for the past five years, he’s been the CEO
> of
> > Creative Commons, initiating programs like CC search to index all 1.6
> > billion licensed works online. He’s passionate about the power of the
> > commons, and the role that everyone can play in making it sustainable and
> > open to all. I couldn’t be happier he’s now bringing this passion and
> > experience to our movement.
> >
> > In Ryan’s own words, “My heart has always been in open communities, and
> >  the power of collective acts --  that is, the things that people can
> only
> > do when they work together, like building a commons of free knowledge for
> > every person.”
> >
> > For now, Ryan’s two top priorities will be bolstering the work of the
> > movement strategy team and supporting the Board. He’ll support the
> strategy
> > core team to move the Working Group recommendations into implementation
> > within the community and Foundation over the course of the coming year.
> > He’ll also serve as Board liaison to the Board of Trustees, strengthening
> > the connections, communications, and coordination between Trustees and
> the
> > Foundation. Internally, he’ll support the office of the Executive
> Director,
> > acting in my stead on various projects.
> >
> > I’m excited by this new role for an old friend of the open community.
> Ryan
> > knows our movement well. He has spent many hours with many Wikimedians,
> and
> > understands the centrality of the community to the Wikimedia mission and
> > identity. His background as a partner to Wikimedia, and a leader in the
> > broader open movement will be invaluable to our work, and confirmation of
> > the importance of community experience in Foundation leadership.
> >
> > Ryan doesn’t start in his new role until Monday, September 16th. However,
> > he will be at Wikimania, so for those of you attending, please say hi,
> and
> > join me in welcoming him to Wikimedia!
> >
> > Katherine
> >
> > P.S. This announcement can also be found on our news page:
> >
> >
> https://wikimediafoundation.org/news/2019/08/13/wikimedia-foundation-welcomes-ryan-merkley-as-chief-of-staff-to-the-office-of-the-executive-director
> >
> > --
> >
> > Katherine Maher (she/her)
> >
> > Executive Director
> >
> > Wikimedia Foundation 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Welcoming Ryan Merkley to the Wikimedia Foundation

[Itzik - Wikimedia Israel]

Such great news! Welcome, Ryan!



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On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 1:02 AM Katherine Maher 
wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I’m excited to let you all know that Ryan Merkley, formerly CEO of Creative
> Commons, is joining the Wikimedia Foundation as my new chief of staff.
>
> Many of you have met Ryan before -- at CC Summit, Wikimania, Wikimedia
> Summit, or MozFest. He’s a leader in open source, open knowledge, and
> free-culture communities, and for the past five years, he’s been the CEO of
> Creative Commons, initiating programs like CC search to index all 1.6
> billion licensed works online. He’s passionate about the power of the
> commons, and the role that everyone can play in making it sustainable and
> open to all. I couldn’t be happier he’s now bringing this passion and
> experience to our movement.
>
> In Ryan’s own words, “My heart has always been in open communities, and
>  the power of collective acts --  that is, the things that people can only
> do when they work together, like building a commons of free knowledge for
> every person.”
>
> For now, Ryan’s two top priorities will be bolstering the work of the
> movement strategy team and supporting the Board. He’ll support the strategy
> core team to move the Working Group recommendations into implementation
> within the community and Foundation over the course of the coming year.
> He’ll also serve as Board liaison to the Board of Trustees, strengthening
> the connections, communications, and coordination between Trustees and the
> Foundation. Internally, he’ll support the office of the Executive Director,
> acting in my stead on various projects.
>
> I’m excited by this new role for an old friend of the open community. Ryan
> knows our movement well. He has spent many hours with many Wikimedians, and
> understands the centrality of the community to the Wikimedia mission and
> identity. His background as a partner to Wikimedia, and a leader in the
> broader open movement will be invaluable to our work, and confirmation of
> the importance of community experience in Foundation leadership.
>
> Ryan doesn’t start in his new role until Monday, September 16th. However,
> he will be at Wikimania, so for those of you attending, please say hi, and
> join me in welcoming him to Wikimedia!
>
> Katherine
>
> P.S. This announcement can also be found on our news page:
>
> https://wikimediafoundation.org/news/2019/08/13/wikimedia-foundation-welcomes-ryan-merkley-as-chief-of-staff-to-the-office-of-the-executive-director
>
> --
>
> Katherine Maher (she/her)
>
> Executive Director
>
> Wikimedia Foundation 
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