Re: [Wikimedia-l] Which script oral language will use anyway?

[Peter Southwood]

Perhaps this is something that should be left as the choice of the volunteers 
who contribute the content? Whatever they feel comfortable with and are 
competent in. It may vary between contributors for the same language. 
Once content is published, anyone with the skills and desire can transliterate 
to any other script system of their choice. Others can translate to any other 
language of their choice. This is the wiki way of doing things. If we have 
support for a script system it can be used, if not that becomes a technical 
problem.
Cheers,
Peter

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Suhashih

You are right that this could be a controversial choice -- indeed it is
inherently political and there is no way of avoiding that fact.  So where
will the decision be taken, on what grounds and by what athority?

Jeff

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 8:26 PM Subhashish Panigrahi 
wrote:

> Dear Wikimedians,
>
> Some of you might be recovering from the Wikimania fatigue. Those of you
> who have already recovered, I wanted to pick your brain about something
> that came up multiple times during discussions but none really seem to have
> a clear answer.
>
> Which script (writing system) an oral language speaker would use for
> creating an entry on (gateway [1]) projects like Wiktionary or Wikibooks or
> even uploading a list of words on Commons using a tool like Lingua Libre?
> Will it be the script used for the official language of the region where
> the former language is from?[2] This is a bit controversial as native
> speakers of many indigenous languages would see this as a form of
> colonization. Will it be the w:International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)? This
> is probably the least controversial but a common and average user might not
> be able to read IPA as the latter was created by linguists and was created
> for linguistic and scholarly studies rather than for everyday use.
>
> Wikimedians who are native speakers of languages with less written/recorded
> documentation and individuals who work on such languages are more
> encouraged to share their inputs based on past experience.
>
> 1. Gateway project: This is a made-up term to define the Wikimedia projects
> that are more welcoming to newbies and do not require stringent citation as
> almost all oral languages would lack that. It was fascinating to see Amir
> challenging that it only takes about 30 seconds to add an entry to
> Wiktionary (
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Amir_Aharoni_demonstrating_how_to_add_an_entry_to_Wiktionary_in_any_language_to_Ingrid_Cumming,_Wikimania_2019,_Stockholm,_Sweden.jpg
> )
>
> Subhashish
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Which script oral language will use anyway?

[WereSpielChequers]

Most of the Wikis in the Wikimedia family are organised by language, not
just script. If you load something that is in the wrong language for a
particular wiki it is liable to be deleted as out of scope. That's before
people get into discussions as to whether this is oral history or something
someone has just made up.

I would suggest Wikibooks is your best bet, it already exists in 120
languages, and unlike  Wikisource it allows for original publications.

If we don't yet have that language supported and you have a small team that
wants to work in that language  you can request a new language be added.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages If the request
is approved, the WMF has an internationalization team who can do things
like create new scripts, though I suspect one of your first tasks will be
to translate the various user messages etc for mediawiki.

Alternatively you could look at the incubator
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Incubator

More broadly, the 2019 Strategy recommendations are still being consulted
with the community, there is an assumption by some and a fear by others
that the whole lot, or at least the ideas that have previously been
rejected by the community, will be adopted by acclamation /imposed on the
community. At the least, I would suggest not jumping the gun, particularly
on something that is liable to be deleted under current policy.

At present it isn't even clear that the Foundation is committed to upping
language support from the current 300 or so languages to potentially
several thousand, and if they do adopt that as an aspiration, it may take
some time for the staff to make that a reality.

Regards

WSC

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> Suhashih
>
> You are right that this could be a controversial choice -- indeed it is
> inherently political and there is no way of avoiding that fact.  So where
> will the decision be taken, on what grounds and by what athority?
>
> Jeff
>
> On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 8:26 PM Subhashish Panigrahi <
> psubhash...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Dear Wikimedians,
> >
> > Some of you might be recovering from the Wikimania fatigue. Those of you
> > who have already recovered, I wanted to pick your brain about something
> > that came up multiple times during discussions but none really seem to
> have
> > a clear answer.
> >
> > Which script (writing system) an oral language speaker would use for
> > creating an entry on (gateway [1]) projects like Wiktionary or Wikibooks
> or
> > even uploading a list of words on Commons using a tool like Lingua Libre?
> > Will it be the script used for the official language of the region where
> > the former language is from?[2] This is a bit controversial as native
> > speakers of many indigenous languages would see this as a form of
> > colonization. Will it be the w:International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)?
> This
> > is probably the least controversial but a common and average user might
> not
> > be able to read IPA as the latter was created by linguists and was
> created
> > for linguistic and scholarly studies rather than for everyday use.
> >
> > Wikimedians who are native speakers of languages with less
> written/recorded
> > documentation and individuals who work on such languages are more
> > encouraged to share their inputs based on past experience.
> >
> > 1. Gateway project: This is a made-up term to define the Wikimedia
> projects
> > that are more welcoming to newbies and do not require stringent citation
> as
> > almost all oral languages would lack that. It was fascinating to see Amir
> > challenging that it only takes about 30 seconds to add an entry to
> > Wiktionary (
> >
> >
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Amir_Aharoni_demonstrating_how_to_add_an_entry_to_Wiktionary_in_any_language_to_Ingrid_Cumming,_Wikimania_2019,_Stockholm,_Sweden.jpg
> > )
> >
> > Subhashish
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> Perhaps this is something that should be left as the choice of the
> volunteers

[Wikimedia-l] GSoC 2019 and Outreachy Round 18 are over! Call for projects and mentors for Outreachy Round 19 begins.

[Srishti Sethi]

Hello everyone,

Google Summer of Code 2019 and Outreachy Round 18 are over! See a complete
list of 15 projects interns worked on this past summer:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Past_projects#2019,
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreachy/Past_projects#Round_18

If you find a project relevant to your area of interest, you can explore
more via the resources mentioned in the links above. Help test the tools or
features and share your feedback or any information on bugs you encountered
in a comment on the corresponding Phabricator task.

Next up is Outreachy Round 19! Wikimedia is participating in the winter
edition!

If you are interested in mentoring a coding or non-coding (documentation,
design, research, outreach, translation, etc.) project, and you are not
familiar with the program, reach out to me (via email sse...@wikimedia.org)
to learn more about the next steps.

If you are already familiar with the program and want to share your idea
for a project that you would like to mentor, share in a comment on this
Phabricator task: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T232048.

The *deadline to submit* projects on the Outreachy website is *September
24th, 2019*.

Some relevant links:
* A recent blog post highlighting one of our intern's and mentor's
experience participating in Outreachy program with Wikimedia:
https://wikimediafoundation.org/news/2019/06/25/wikimedia-and-outreachy-technical-internships-are-bridging-the-free-and-open-source-inclusion-gap/
* Outreachy website: https://www.outreachy.org/.
* Roles and responsibilities of an Outreachy mentor:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreachy/Mentors

Looking forward to your participation!

Cheers,
Srishti

*Srishti Sethi*
Developer Advocate
Wikimedia Foundation 
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[Wikimedia-l] Introducing WikiContrib 1.0!

[Rammanoj Potla]

Hello folks,


I am happy to introduce you to the first version of WikiContrib
. WikiContrib is a developer
metrics tool which can be used to view a developer’s contributions on
Phabricator and Gerrit. This tool was initially designed keeping a
Wikimedia Hackathon scholarship committee in mind and with the hope that
the tool will make it easier for them to decide on a candidate’s
application. All community members can also use the tool to learn more
about the contributions of fellow Wikimedians or discover their own!


I developed the WikiContrib tool as part of my Google Summer of Code
project with guidance and support from my mentors Suchakra Sharma
 and Srishti Sethi
.


Here are some relevant links:

   -

   Tool is hosted on Toolforge https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikicontrib/
   -

   Source code is available on GitHub
   https://github.com/wikimedia/WikiContrib/
   -

   Link to my Phabricator proposal https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T220254
   -

   Learn how to use the tool
   https://wikicontrib.readthedocs.io/en/latest/Usage.html


Try the tool, and if you encounter any bugs or have any feature requests,
please file them in the GitHub repository! For anything else, you can
comment on the Phabricator proposal.


Looking forward to your response!


Thanks,
Rammanoj potla
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