Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brand Project: Who are we as a movement?

2020-03-23 Thread Gnangarra 
This does have feeling of a company creating a financial relationship with
the Foundation as way to bypass or backdoor a community ban thats been
reviewed already.   Over the years I've worked with many users who been
blocked and help them become productive contributors but before they start
making recommendation or decisions about who we are there needs to be
something done to get them back to good standing with the community first
untiil thats taken place.It's like asking the fox to rebuild the hen
house,  I just dont see how I could support anything they recommend.

After the dollars, and t=volunteer time that has been pumped into the 2030
strategy shouldnt we already know who we are, as it is that should have
been the key starting point for a strategy process. Its comprehensible not
to have known or explored that before deciding where, how, why we will be
doing anything for the next 10 years.

On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 at 03:20, David Gerard  wrote:

> Particularly as they've demonstrated by their actions an unwillingness
> to work with Wikipedia properly:
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive318#Review_of_User:Sn%C3%B8hettaAS_block_please
>
>
> - d.
>
> On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 at 04:34, Peter Southwood
>  wrote:
> >
> > I would agree with this in principle. From what I have seen so far, it
> looks like either Snøhetta have not done their homework on how we operate,
> or they have the arrogance of PR agencies, don't care, and plan to spin
> their way through with smoke and mirrors, flashy pages with lots of buzz,
> little content and all the dialogue they can't avoid. Maybe I am wrong, and
> they have just been badly briefed. Who can tell from the outside? Block
> evasion does not bode well for their understanding of the community.
> > Cheers,
> > Peter
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
> Behalf Of Pine W
> > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 8:13 PM
> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brand Project: Who are we as a movement?
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > First, a disclaimer that these comments aren't directed personally at
> > you, Essie.
> >
> > Even if money was unlimited, I thought that Snøhetta deserved the
> > community's trust, and I felt that WMF was a good steward of resources
> > (all of which are questionable), I don't think that this project is a
> > good idea. Wikidata is an increasingly important component of the
> > Wikiverse, and there are a some problems with WMF rebranding itself as
> > the Wikipedia Foundation including the risk to the communities and
> > affiliates from WMF's political adventures, governance problems, and
> > occasional high profile clashes with the community. I don't think that
> > the costs or the risks here make sense, I wouldn't involve Snøhetta
> > given its apparent block evasion on English Wikipedia, and I've been
> > unimpressed with WMF's handling of this process during the past few
> > months.
> >
> > I am fine with discussions about branding, but not with this program
> > in its current form.
> >
> > Given the choice, I would freeze this project and spending associated
> > with it pending a Meta RfC regarding the community's view on whether
> > this project should continue. If the community wants a branding
> > project to continue, I would let the community decide on the project's
> > parameters and budget, and what if any consultant should be involved.
> >
> > Pine
> > ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brand Project: Who are we as a movement?

2020-03-23 Thread David Gerard 
Particularly as they've demonstrated by their actions an unwillingness
to work with Wikipedia properly:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive318#Review_of_User:Sn%C3%B8hettaAS_block_please


- d.

On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 at 04:34, Peter Southwood
 wrote:
>
> I would agree with this in principle. From what I have seen so far, it looks 
> like either Snøhetta have not done their homework on how we operate, or they 
> have the arrogance of PR agencies, don't care, and plan to spin their way 
> through with smoke and mirrors, flashy pages with lots of buzz, little 
> content and all the dialogue they can't avoid. Maybe I am wrong, and they 
> have just been badly briefed. Who can tell from the outside? Block evasion 
> does not bode well for their understanding of the community.
> Cheers,
> Peter
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf 
> Of Pine W
> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 8:13 PM
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brand Project: Who are we as a movement?
>
> Hello,
>
> First, a disclaimer that these comments aren't directed personally at
> you, Essie.
>
> Even if money was unlimited, I thought that Snøhetta deserved the
> community's trust, and I felt that WMF was a good steward of resources
> (all of which are questionable), I don't think that this project is a
> good idea. Wikidata is an increasingly important component of the
> Wikiverse, and there are a some problems with WMF rebranding itself as
> the Wikipedia Foundation including the risk to the communities and
> affiliates from WMF's political adventures, governance problems, and
> occasional high profile clashes with the community. I don't think that
> the costs or the risks here make sense, I wouldn't involve Snøhetta
> given its apparent block evasion on English Wikipedia, and I've been
> unimpressed with WMF's handling of this process during the past few
> months.
>
> I am fine with discussions about branding, but not with this program
> in its current form.
>
> Given the choice, I would freeze this project and spending associated
> with it pending a Meta RfC regarding the community's view on whether
> this project should continue. If the community wants a branding
> project to continue, I would let the community decide on the project's
> parameters and budget, and what if any consultant should be involved.
>
> Pine
> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brand Project: Who are we as a movement?

2020-03-23 Thread Samir Elsharbaty 
Hello,

The pause we announced was to the community activity on the movement brand
project.[1] With the global pandemic, we thought that it should be
everyone’s priority to take care of themselves and their families right
now. In the meantime, our project team will be working with Snohetta to
review the project materials and make any necessary adjustments to the
timeline.

[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_movement_brand_project#Sn%C3%B8hetta_exercise_#2:_Who_are_we
?


Samir Elsharbaty (he/him)

Community Brand and Marketing coordinator

Wikimedia Foundation 



On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 4:31 AM Pine W  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I heard indirectly that the rebranding work is being paused due to the
> issues with COVID-19. Is anyone able to confirm this? I would be
> relieved if WMF is pausing and will reconsider what it's doing with
> regards to rebranding.
>
> To reiterate a comment that I made previously, I am OK in principle
> with having discussions about branding.
>
> However, there are multiple reasons that I am unhappy with the current
> process.
>
> Pine
> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
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