[Wikimedia-l] Re: Blocking users for Palestinian flag

[مفتاح المعرفة]

The name of the file is free Palestine but the picture is just the flag of
the country without any political aspects. Even though I don't find
anything wrong in adding a political point of view to a userpage. Best



في الأربعاء، ٣٠ حزيران، ٢٠٢١ ١:٠٤ ص Gereon Kalkuhl 
كتب:

> Dear 4nn1|2,
>
> Thank you for informing us about the incident. But to be clear: You write
> that it's about a Palestinian flag. Yet actually it's about a flag with a
> statement: free Palestine. There's a difference. And a member of the
> Persian Wikipedia removed the deletion request on Commons and kept the file
> on the same day. I'm not judging anything here, but please be more precise
> in your accusations.
>
> Thank you,
> Gereon
>
> Am 29.06.2021 um 20:34 schrieb Amir Sarabadani:
>
> If anyone is interested to know about this incident. Send me a private
> message and I can explain better.
>
> Best
>
> On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 8:17 PM 4nn1l2 <4nn1l2.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Wikimedians,
>>
>> Persian Wikipedia has reached a new level in their arbitrary and
>> nonesense adminship. They have blocked me for placing a Palestinian flag on
>> my userpage (of course they have already removed it from my userpage and
>> you need to see a previous revision of my userpage).
>>
>>
>> https://fa.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A8%D8%B1:4nn1l2=32191672
>>
>> Another user has nominated the file for deletion on Commons!
>>
>> I am admin on Commons myself and I'm fed up with how fawiki is managed.
>> They block users for the most friviolous reasons.
>>
>> What does this mean?
>>
>> Yours faithfully,
>> User:4nn1l2
>>
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Conflict of Interest - Transition from Trustee to Staff

[geni]

On Tue, 29 Jun 2021 at 23:39, F. Xavier Dengra i Grau via Wikimedia-l
 wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> I have been reading and closely following this and many other similar topics 
> for a long time. I am sorry to say that for me, organising a concept like an 
> "Office Hour" and doing so via Youtube for a concern of these dimensions 
> (that affects the whole reputation of the movement), is not "remedied and 
> learned from both quickly and openly". B


Hmm for those who don't have 1:03 to burn the highlights were:

Consulted 30 people. Wasn't aware of affiliate standards. Still not
decided what to do. Should be deciding what to do in the next few
days.

The main defence for it not being a COI was that the budget presented
to the board isn't detailed enough for the board to be aware that the
position would exist.

In terms of the offered contract renumaration was based on market
comprability and simular WMF contacts. Contract is 0-40 hours which
could mean anything.

Plan to consult an aditional lawyer in future but given that 30 people
were already consulted I'm not sure how that is meant to help.

Less related is that there is a new budget format coming up and
they've got as far as CEO candidates

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Blocking users for Palestinian flag

[Frederick Noronha]

Just seeking clarity:
Is there anything wrong with expressing a political opinion on a userpage?
A lot of our badges, flags, icons might have some or the other political
history behind them, just that these are seen as more "normal" by today's
standards. At one time, slavery too was considered quite legal.
Can't this be discussed in the public domain?
FN

On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 at 03:34, Gereon Kalkuhl  wrote:

> Dear 4nn1|2,
>
> Thank you for informing us about the incident. But to be clear: You write
> that it's about a Palestinian flag. Yet actually it's about a flag with a
> statement: free Palestine. There's a difference. And a member of the
> Persian Wikipedia removed the deletion request on Commons and kept the file
> on the same day. I'm not judging anything here, but please be more precise
> in your accusations.
>
> Thank you,
> Gereon
>
> Am 29.06.2021 um 20:34 schrieb Amir Sarabadani:
>
> If anyone is interested to know about this incident. Send me a private
> message and I can explain better.
>
> Best
>
> On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 8:17 PM 4nn1l2 <4nn1l2.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Wikimedians,
>>
>> Persian Wikipedia has reached a new level in their arbitrary and
>> nonesense adminship. They have blocked me for placing a Palestinian flag on
>> my userpage (of course they have already removed it from my userpage and
>> you need to see a previous revision of my userpage).
>>
>>
>> https://fa.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A8%D8%B1:4nn1l2=32191672
>>
>> Another user has nominated the file for deletion on Commons!
>>
>> I am admin on Commons myself and I'm fed up with how fawiki is managed.
>> They block users for the most friviolous reasons.
>>
>> What does this mean?
>>
>> Yours faithfully,
>> User:4nn1l2
>>
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Conflict of Interest - Transition from Trustee to Staff

[F. Xavier Dengra i Grau via Wikimedia-l]

Dear all,

I have been reading and closely following this and many other similar topics 
for a long time. I am sorry to say that for me, organising a concept like an 
"Office Hour" and doing so via Youtube for a concern of these dimensions (that 
affects the whole reputation of the movement), is not "remedied and learned 
from both quickly and openly". But only another proof of the shallowness and 
estrangement from the WMF towards the editors' communities. It will always be 
more complex to tackle common problems -and they will always become less 
transparent- if they are streamed in external services, attached in endlessly 
long PDFs, resolved in in-person small conferences, or hidden via email to 
whatever WMF staff email address, rather than where they really should be 
publicly adressed.

I am not surprised that the ethical values that used to be govern the Wikimedia 
Movement are seeing a drift if the usage of the wiki (i.e. Meta-wiki, 
notifications in the Village Pumps, etc.), our basic bastion for internal audit 
and debates, is also getting lost and externalised. How can I justify and 
convince someone that we are basically an horizontal movement of volunteers, if 
such a huge conflict of interest affecting all credibility is being broadcasted 
on Youtube almost via appointment, like if the WMF was a tech customer service? 
This is applicable to other endless relevant situations experienced before, 
that are not being tackled because Wikimedians (people who edit Wikimedia 
projecs in wikis) cannot access wiki spaces in which these hot topics are 
properly developed and announced.

Couldn't avoid sharing these thoughts publicly here, sorry if someone may 
consider it a side reflection.

Xavier Dengra

‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
El dimarts, 29 de juny 2021 a les 9:58 PM, Chris Keating 
 va escriure:

> +1 to this - thank you to the senior staff who led the call, as well as the 
> team that organised it at short notice, and to the Board members who attended.
>
> I would like to echo Jan-Bart's sentiments. Mistakes will always be made 
> where human judgement is involved, but it seems that this one is being 
> remedied and learned from both quickly and openly.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris
>
> On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 8:50 PM Jan-Bart de Vreede  
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I want to take this opportunity to thank all Foundation staff involved in 
>> the office hour that was organised today on this topic.
>>
>> Thank you for being transparent and open in what was a difficult 
>> conversation for everyone involved. Like everyone I wish that there was an 
>> easy solution, but there doesn’t seem to be one.
>>
>> But thank you for trusting us by showing vulnerability and explaining the 
>> reasoning that led to this and some of the thinking going forward...
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Jan-Bart de Vreede
>>
>> PS: Also thank you to all those that attended or wrote on this topic and 
>> expressed their (lack of) concerns. It is only through these discussions 
>> that we an grow as a movement and rebuild trust.
>>
>>> On 27 Jun 2021, at 22:20, Christophe Henner  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I am just forking this thread so the title reflects the needed discussion 
>>> and we avoid derailling again to non directly / personal topics.
>>>
>>> Le dim. 27 juin 2021 à 9:55 PM, Katherine Maher  
>>> a écrit :
>>>
 Hi folks,

 Leaving aside everything else for a minute, I want to reply to Maggie’s 
 statement regarding the T case here. As someone with direct and specific 
 knowledge of the issue, I feel responsibility to affirm Maggie’s version 
 of events.

 Although we provided notice to the board that we were considering a 
 difficult T case regarding a well known admin on English Wikipedia, we 
 did not consult with the board on the case. When we made the 
 determination, following two warnings, to take action regarding the user, 
 it was at the recommendation of staff following an investigation that 
 followed all standard operating practices. The Board was not notified in 
 advance of our decision to move to action; something that was in line with 
 existing policies and IMHO, in line with an important distinction between 
 governance and operations, but also arguably may have contributed to some 
 of the mess that we’re all familiar with.

 I have taken responsibility in various fora for this decision, and 
 accepted the subsequent criticisms, many of them legitimate, by community 
 members. I continue to bear that responsibility, and it is precisely 
 because it was my responsibility that I want to reiterate that there was 
 no COI of María in any capacity.
 While I would handle that case somewhat differently were we to revisit it, 
 that is besides the point.

 Whatever conversation the community wishes to have with Foundation 
 leadership about governance and this recent decision is up to the 
 community. 

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Blocking users for Palestinian flag

[Gereon Kalkuhl]

Dear 4nn1|2,

Thank you for informing us about the incident. But to be clear: You 
write that it's about a Palestinian flag. Yet actually it's about a flag 
with a statement: free Palestine. There's a difference. And a member of 
the Persian Wikipedia removed the deletion request on Commons and kept 
the file on the same day. I'm not judging anything here, but please be 
more precise in your accusations.


Thank you,
Gereon

Am 29.06.2021 um 20:34 schrieb Amir Sarabadani:
If anyone is interested to know about this incident. Send me a private 
message and I can explain better.


Best

On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 8:17 PM 4nn1l2 <4nn1l2.w...@gmail.com 
> wrote:


Dear Wikimedians,

Persian Wikipedia has reached a new level in their arbitrary and
nonesense adminship. They have blocked me for placing a
Palestinian flag on my userpage (of course they have already
removed it from my userpage and you need to see a previous
revision of my userpage).


https://fa.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A8%D8%B1:4nn1l2=32191672



Another user has nominated the file for deletion on Commons!

I am admin on Commons myself and I'm fed up with how fawiki is
managed. They block users for the most friviolous reasons.

What does this mean?

Yours faithfully,
User:4nn1l2


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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Conflict of Interest - Transition from Trustee to Staff

[Shani Evenstein]

To those who could not make it --
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQTND98b_Yg

And yes. A formal decision will follow up in the coming days (as soon as
possible).

Shani.


Shani Evenstein Sigalov


Acting Vice Chair, Board of Trustees

Wikimedia Foundation 


On Tue, 29 Jun 2021 at 23:46, Chris Keating 
wrote:

> I'm sure a statement will be forthcoming, but in short (and these are my
> notes and may not accurately reflect others' words in detail)
>
> - the WMF are deciding today whether to revoke or postpone Maria's
> appointment, with a strong hint they will do one or another
> - the WMF will also review its own conflict of interest policy in line
> with global good practices, with some form of community consultation on this
> - the WMF will commit to holding itself to the same governance standards
> as it expects of grantees, e.g. affiliates
>
> Chris
>
> On Tue, 29 Jun 2021, 21:36 Andy Mabbett, 
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2021 at 20:58, Chris Keating 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Mistakes will always be made where human judgement is involved, but it
>> seems
>> > that this one is being remedied and learned from both quickly and
>> openly.
>>
>> For those of us not on the call; how so?
>>
>> --
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>> http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Conflict of Interest - Transition from Trustee to Staff

[Chris Keating]

I'm sure a statement will be forthcoming, but in short (and these are my
notes and may not accurately reflect others' words in detail)

- the WMF are deciding today whether to revoke or postpone Maria's
appointment, with a strong hint they will do one or another
- the WMF will also review its own conflict of interest policy in line with
global good practices, with some form of community consultation on this
- the WMF will commit to holding itself to the same governance standards as
it expects of grantees, e.g. affiliates

Chris

On Tue, 29 Jun 2021, 21:36 Andy Mabbett,  wrote:

> On Tue, 29 Jun 2021 at 20:58, Chris Keating 
> wrote:
>
> > Mistakes will always be made where human judgement is involved, but it
> seems
> > that this one is being remedied and learned from both quickly and openly.
>
> For those of us not on the call; how so?
>
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> http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Welcoming María Sefidari as a Foundation consultant. :)

[Bence Damokos]

Thank you for sharing the link to the recording, unfortunately I could not
follow it live.
I am reassured by the open approach and speed taken to transparently
address the issue and hope that the commitments promised will be followed
through. With the high turnover at the WMF and many leadership positions
still to be filled, this was an encouraging signal.

I did not want to come in earlier, as I believe the perception and what is
expected of a major and mature organisation was well described by others.

I only want to draw attention to one point in the interest of our growing
or future affiliates in that the examples brought forward from affiliate
policies enforced by the WMF all concerned mature organisations with an
established separation of staff and board roles (can't be sure, but I don't
believe this was a policy systematically promoted to affiliates). Some
smaller affiliates might find themselves in the position where a given
board member might be putting in the 30 hours a week as a volunteer, and
when it comes to hiring the first employee, the choice is between giving
this "unicorn" board member a chance (provided the position is advertised,
s/he is properly recused and qualified) or getting an outsider on-boarded
probably by the same board member who was already working 30 hours a week
for free and who might be asked to continue to do so.
(There's already a lot on this topic on Meta which is a bit off topic in
this thread, and just my short hypothetical example here raises a myriad
assumptions or side discussions on the right approach to take -- the point
is that our movement is more varied than has been represented in the few
posts on the mailing list here and any future harmonisation in this area
should keep this diversity and Dariusz' perspective at the end of the
recording  in mind in our efforts to
setting up a movement wide minimum standard on the experience of this
oversight at our supposedly most mature organisation.)

Best regards,
Bence


On Tue, 29 Jun 2021 at 19:06, Andreas Kolbe  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> An important item of information that transpired during the Office Hour
> just now is that the envisaged contract is for consultancy services of up
> to 40 hours per week.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQTND98b_Yg
>
> (The event also featured, it must be said, a very photogenic cat.)
>
> Andreas
>
> On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 5:16 PM Maor Malul  wrote:
>
>> Hi Amanda,
>>
>>
>>> It is obvious that despite our best intentions, the Board and Transition
>>> Team did not have all the relevant facts and circumstances in mind when
>>> this decision was made.
>>
>>
>> I'm trying hard to understand how the Board and Transition team failed to
>> realize the WMF expects standards of transparency, ethics, and governance
>> from affiliates that the WMF itself is not able to meet, and worse, than
>> hiring María as a consultant with this level of transparency wouldn't be
>> considered unethical. I certainly understand the need, and value
>> tremendously María's advice, but t's not the first time incidents like this
>> happen, and the reply we always receive is "going forward, we'll do this
>> better" or something along those lines.
>>
>> Many volunteers around the globe have worked very hard for years to meet
>> the standards the WMF expects from us. This feels like a slap on the face.
>> Or, another.
>>
>>
>>
>>> This is a separate issue from whether or not a COI exists, which I plan
>>> for us to discuss together on Tuesday. I will take tangible steps to
>>> address these issues now that they have been brought to our attention. I
>>> want to make sure we do that with proper reflection, to avoid worsening
>>> those mistakes with poorly thought-out solutions. I would like to partner
>>> to repair this together, and grow stronger as a result.
>>>
>>> I look forward to seeing many of you tomorrow for Movement Strategy
>>> conversations and then again to discuss these and other transition matters
>>> on Tuesday.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Amanda
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Conflict of Interest - Transition from Trustee to Staff

[Andy Mabbett]

On Tue, 29 Jun 2021 at 20:58, Chris Keating  wrote:

> Mistakes will always be made where human judgement is involved, but it seems
> that this one is being remedied and learned from both quickly and openly.

For those of us not on the call; how so?

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Conflict of Interest - Transition from Trustee to Staff

[Chris Keating]

+1 to this - thank you to the senior staff who led the call, as well as the
team that organised it at short notice, and to the Board members who
attended.

I would like to echo Jan-Bart's sentiments. Mistakes will always be made
where human judgement is involved, but it seems that this one is being
remedied and learned from both quickly and openly.

Thanks,

Chris

On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 8:50 PM Jan-Bart de Vreede 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I want to take this opportunity to thank all Foundation staff involved in
> the office hour that was organised today on this topic.
>
> Thank you for being transparent and open in what was a difficult
> conversation for everyone involved. Like everyone I wish that there was an
> easy solution, but there doesn’t seem to be one.
>
> But thank you for trusting us by showing vulnerability and explaining the
> reasoning that led to this and some of the thinking going forward...
>
> Regards
>
> Jan-Bart de Vreede
>
> PS: Also thank you to all those that attended or wrote on this topic and
> expressed their (lack of) concerns. It is only through these discussions
> that we an grow as a movement and rebuild trust.
>
>
>
> On 27 Jun 2021, at 22:20, Christophe Henner 
> wrote:
>
> I am just forking this thread so the title reflects the needed discussion
> and we avoid derailling again to non directly / personal topics.
>
> Le dim. 27 juin 2021 à 9:55 PM, Katherine Maher 
> a écrit :
>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> Leaving aside everything else for a minute, I want to reply to Maggie’s
>> statement regarding the T case here. As someone with direct and specific
>> knowledge of the issue, I feel responsibility to affirm Maggie’s version of
>> events.
>>
>> Although we provided notice to the board that we were considering a
>> difficult T case regarding a well known admin on English Wikipedia, we
>> did not consult with the board on the case. When we made the determination,
>> following two warnings, to take action regarding the user, it was at the
>> recommendation of staff following an investigation that followed all
>> standard operating practices. The Board was not notified in advance of our
>> decision to move to action; something that was in line with existing
>> policies and IMHO, in line with an important distinction between governance
>> and operations, but also arguably may have contributed to some of the mess
>> that we’re all familiar with.
>>
>> I have taken responsibility in various fora for this decision, and
>> accepted the subsequent criticisms, many of them legitimate, by community
>> members. I continue to bear that responsibility, and it is precisely
>> because it was my responsibility that I want to reiterate that there was no
>> COI of María in any capacity.
>> While I would handle that case somewhat differently were we to revisit
>> it, that is besides the point.
>>
>> Whatever conversation the community wishes to have with Foundation
>> leadership about governance and this recent decision is up to the
>> community. However, I would encourage to avoid conflating these issues, as
>> there is no basis for the insinuation or accusation, and unnecessarily
>> muddies the waters for valid concerns.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Katherine
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 27, 2021 at 13:42 Maggie Dennis 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, everybody.
>>>
>>> It’s Sunday, and there’s a lot of meetings today, and I wrestled with
>>> whether to say this without necessarily having the full time to think about
>>> all the ways I could say it wrong and potentially make misunderstandings
>>> worse. We’re having a meeting on Tuesday specifically to discuss issues of
>>> concern to people around this consultancy. But I’d like to openly address
>>> the suggestion that María may have influenced a Trust & Safety case here.
>>>
>>> First: it is against policy (and it is a policy I helped write and
>>> support whole-heartedly) to talk about the specifics of Trust & Safety
>>> behavioral investigations in public in order as much as possible to protect
>>> the privacy and dignity of all involved. Public in this case includes even
>>> among staff, most of whom have no need to know when a case is even under
>>> review. We do discuss these cases with some volunteer groups who have
>>> signed non-disclosure agreements, but even that is limited. Only recently
>>> have we created a body who can review Trust & Safety case files on
>>> appropriate appeal.
>>>
>>> Given this policy, I’m going to have to be uncomfortably vague, but I
>>> want to address and firmly deny rumors that any Board member has ever
>>> attempted to influence Trust & Safety (T) to take office action
>>> (including warnings) in relation to any behavioral investigation. (See the 
>>> Meta
>>> page, which includes a list of the individuals
>>> .) I know that
>>> my saying so isn’t necessarily going to reassure folks. Some may think I’m
>>> deluded, and some may think I’m lying, but for me silence on this point is
>>> 

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Conflict of Interest - Transition from Trustee to Staff

[Jan-Bart de Vreede]

Hi,

I want to take this opportunity to thank all Foundation staff involved in the 
office hour that was organised today on this topic.

Thank you for being transparent and open in what was a difficult conversation 
for everyone involved. Like everyone I wish that there was an easy solution, 
but there doesn’t seem to be one.

But thank you for trusting us by showing vulnerability and explaining the 
reasoning that led to this and some of the thinking going forward...

Regards

Jan-Bart de Vreede

PS: Also thank you to all those that attended or wrote on this topic and 
expressed their (lack of) concerns. It is only through these discussions that 
we an grow as a movement and rebuild trust.



> On 27 Jun 2021, at 22:20, Christophe Henner  
> wrote:
> 
> I am just forking this thread so the title reflects the needed discussion and 
> we avoid derailling again to non directly / personal topics. 
> 
> Le dim. 27 juin 2021 à 9:55 PM, Katherine Maher  > a écrit :
> Hi folks,
> 
> Leaving aside everything else for a minute, I want to reply to Maggie’s 
> statement regarding the T case here. As someone with direct and specific 
> knowledge of the issue, I feel responsibility to affirm Maggie’s version of 
> events. 
> 
> Although we provided notice to the board that we were considering a difficult 
> T case regarding a well known admin on English Wikipedia, we did not 
> consult with the board on the case. When we made the determination, following 
> two warnings, to take action regarding the user, it was at the recommendation 
> of staff following an investigation that followed all standard operating 
> practices. The Board was not notified in advance of our decision to move to 
> action; something that was in line with existing policies and IMHO, in line 
> with an important distinction between governance and operations, but also 
> arguably may have contributed to some of the mess that we’re all familiar 
> with.
> 
> I have taken responsibility in various fora for this decision, and accepted 
> the subsequent criticisms, many of them legitimate, by community members. I 
> continue to bear that responsibility, and it is precisely because it was my 
> responsibility that I want to reiterate that there was no COI of María in any 
> capacity. 
> While I would handle that case somewhat differently were we to revisit it, 
> that is besides the point. 
> 
> Whatever conversation the community wishes to have with Foundation leadership 
> about governance and this recent decision is up to the community. However, I 
> would encourage to avoid conflating these issues, as there is no basis for 
> the insinuation or accusation, and unnecessarily muddies the waters for valid 
> concerns.
> 
> Cheers,
> Katherine 
> 
> On Sun, Jun 27, 2021 at 13:42 Maggie Dennis  > wrote:
> Hi, everybody.
> 
> It’s Sunday, and there’s a lot of meetings today, and I wrestled with whether 
> to say this without necessarily having the full time to think about all the 
> ways I could say it wrong and potentially make misunderstandings worse. We’re 
> having a meeting on Tuesday specifically to discuss issues of concern to 
> people around this consultancy. But I’d like to openly address the suggestion 
> that María may have influenced a Trust & Safety case here.
> 
> First: it is against policy (and it is a policy I helped write and support 
> whole-heartedly) to talk about the specifics of Trust & Safety behavioral 
> investigations in public in order as much as possible to protect the privacy 
> and dignity of all involved. Public in this case includes even among staff, 
> most of whom have no need to know when a case is even under review. We do 
> discuss these cases with some volunteer groups who have signed non-disclosure 
> agreements, but even that is limited. Only recently have we created a body 
> who can review Trust & Safety case files on appropriate appeal. 
> 
> Given this policy, I’m going to have to be uncomfortably vague, but I want to 
> address and firmly deny rumors that any Board member has ever attempted to 
> influence Trust & Safety (T) to take office action (including warnings) in 
> relation to any behavioral investigation. (See the Meta page, which includes 
> a list of the individuals 
> .) I know that my 
> saying so isn’t necessarily going to reassure folks. Some may think I’m 
> deluded, and some may think I’m lying, but for me silence on this point is 
> unacceptable.
> 
> Neither María nor any other trustee ever exerted any influence over any Trust 
> & Safety case. The Board does not provide guidance on how cases should be 
> handled unless asked (which is rare). Even executive staff do not weigh in on 
> Trust & Safety recommended approaches until an investigation itself is 
> complete and has been reviewed by an attorney. 
> 
> I know this because I’ve been involved in one aspect or another 

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Blocking users for Palestinian flag

[Amir Sarabadani]

If anyone is interested to know about this incident. Send me a private
message and I can explain better.

Best

On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 8:17 PM 4nn1l2 <4nn1l2.w...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Wikimedians,
>
> Persian Wikipedia has reached a new level in their arbitrary and nonesense
> adminship. They have blocked me for placing a Palestinian flag on my
> userpage (of course they have already removed it from my userpage and you
> need to see a previous revision of my userpage).
>
>
> https://fa.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A8%D8%B1:4nn1l2=32191672
>
> Another user has nominated the file for deletion on Commons!
>
> I am admin on Commons myself and I'm fed up with how fawiki is managed.
> They block users for the most friviolous reasons.
>
> What does this mean?
>
> Yours faithfully,
> User:4nn1l2
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Blocking users for Palestinian flag

[4nn1l2]

Dear Wikimedians,

Persian Wikipedia has reached a new level in their arbitrary and nonesense
adminship. They have blocked me for placing a Palestinian flag on my
userpage (of course they have already removed it from my userpage and you
need to see a previous revision of my userpage).

https://fa.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A8%D8%B1:4nn1l2=32191672

Another user has nominated the file for deletion on Commons!

I am admin on Commons myself and I'm fed up with how fawiki is managed.
They block users for the most friviolous reasons.

What does this mean?

Yours faithfully,
User:4nn1l2
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Welcoming María Sefidari as a Foundation consultant. :)

[Maor Malul]

Hi Amanda,


> It is obvious that despite our best intentions, the Board and Transition
> Team did not have all the relevant facts and circumstances in mind when
> this decision was made.


I'm trying hard to understand how the Board and Transition team failed to
realize the WMF expects standards of transparency, ethics, and governance
from affiliates that the WMF itself is not able to meet, and worse, than
hiring María as a consultant with this level of transparency wouldn't be
considered unethical. I certainly understand the need, and value
tremendously María's advice, but t's not the first time incidents like this
happen, and the reply we always receive is "going forward, we'll do this
better" or something along those lines.

Many volunteers around the globe have worked very hard for years to meet
the standards the WMF expects from us. This feels like a slap on the face.
Or, another.



> This is a separate issue from whether or not a COI exists, which I plan
> for us to discuss together on Tuesday. I will take tangible steps to
> address these issues now that they have been brought to our attention. I
> want to make sure we do that with proper reflection, to avoid worsening
> those mistakes with poorly thought-out solutions. I would like to partner
> to repair this together, and grow stronger as a result.
>
> I look forward to seeing many of you tomorrow for Movement Strategy
> conversations and then again to discuss these and other transition matters
> on Tuesday.
>
> Sincerely,
> Amanda
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Tuesday Foundation office hour

[Cornelius Kibelka]

The office hour starts in about 30 min, here on Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQTND98b_Yg_channel=WikimediaFoundation

Cheers
Cornelius

On Sat, Jun 26, 2021 at 9:44 AM Maggie Dennis  wrote:

> Hello, folks.
>
> I'm sorry for the quick self-correction. As implied in yesterday's email,
> we pulled this together rather quickly, and rather than write the
> announcement from scratch, we based it off of a different meeting. You
> don't need to share details about your affiliation, etc., to get the
> zoomlink. We do try to ensure that people are eligible (Wikimedians in good
> standing), but otherwise we don't need all that detail. I've updated the
> Meta page.
> 
>
> Sheepish regards,
> Maggie
>
> On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 7:28 PM Maggie Dennis 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello, all.
>>
>> Apologies for the rather late Friday notice. We had hoped to get details
>> on this out earlier today, but it has taken rather all day for us to get
>> the technical details ironed out!
>>
>> ***
>>
>> The Wikimedia Foundation is hosting an office hour featuring Chief
>> Financial Officer Jaime Villagomez
>>  and General
>> Counsel Amanda Keton
>> , two of the
>> transition team guiding the Wikimedia Foundation during its executive
>> transition. It will also feature guests from the Wikimedia Foundation’s
>> Board of Trustees (BoT), to be determined over the next few days, and
>> Community Resilience & Sustainability Vice President Maggie Dennis
>> . The main purpose
>> of the call is to discuss questions related to Wikimedia Foundation
>> executive transition, including the retention of María Sefidari
>>  as an advisor to
>> Movement Strategy and supporting and onboarding the expanding BoT. Come
>> with your questions or feedback, and let’s talk! You can also send us your
>> questions in advance.
>>
>> This office hour will be on June 29 at 15:00 UTC — see
>> https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1624978855 for your local time.
>>
>>
>>
>> We will officer live interpretation for German, Spanish, French, and
>> Arabic. To be able to listen to the interpretation, you need to join the
>> Zoom room (and therefore register via answ...@wikimedia.org;
>> see below). The Youtube live-stream will be only
>> in English.
>>
>>
>>
>> Details
>>
>> This call will be streamed and available on demand at
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQTND98b_Yg
>>
>>
>> We will be fielding questions from Wikimedians in good standing (that is,
>> not Foundation or community banned). In order to be as efficient as
>> possible, we are encouraging people to send questions in advance. Please
>> send all questions to answ...@wikimedia.org, by Monday June 28
>> (midnight, whatever time zone you may be in). We may aggregate similar
>> questions or truncate them for length. Questions can also be asked live
>> on Zoom for in-room attendees, in Zoom chat, Telegram and YouTube.
>>
>>
>> Language support
>>
>> We will offer automated closed captioning for English, and live
>> interpretation for German, Spanish, French, and Arabic. This is the
>> first time we offer such a service for an office hour, and we would like to
>> experiment with it and see how it works. To be able to listen to the Zoom
>> interpretation, you need to join the Zoom room (and therefore register, see
>> below), as live-streaming interpretation channels to Youtube is not
>> possible.
>>
>> How to register
>>
>> For security reasons and specifically to avoid Zoombombing
>> , we will be sending the Zoom
>> link only to people who have registered in advance close to the meeting and
>> only to Wikimedians in good standing. In order to register, please send an
>> email to answ...@wikimedia.org, indicating your name, username,
>> affiliation if you have any. The title should be “Registration for Office
>> Hours”. The link will be shared with any Wikimedia in good standing (not
>> Foundation or community banned) who requests it  within the hour before the
>> meeting.
>>
>> The meeting will be governed by the Friendly Space Policy
>> . We are
>> committed to tackling hard questions bravely in a manner that reflects the
>> values of our Universal Code of Conduct
>> .
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Maggie Dennis
>> She/her/hers
>> Vice President, Community Resilience & Sustainability
>> Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
>>
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[Wikimedia-l] Signpost

[Andreas Kolbe]

Dear Lisa, Megan and all,

The current issue of the Signpost contains an interview about my recent
Daily Dot article on WMF fundraising.[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2021-06-27/Forum

The piece has sparked quite substantial discussion, and there is a pretty
good consensus on the fundraising issue in the comments. Here are
representative excerpts of what people have said:

"I agree with Smallbones that one should raise funds before the situation
becomes dire, but they should be raised *honestly*. Portraying the
situation as dire when it isn't is dishonest and unethical."

"I also feel that the WMF is too pushy with its donation advertising, and I
am far from the only OTRS (VRT) agent who hates December because of some
distinctly distressing emails we get along these lines. I have also talked
to a number of WMF staffers on the topic, though I suspect they'd struggle
to go on the record on the issue, who share the concerns."

"'The WMF is asking [readers in India] for about US $2.00' - the median per
capita annual income in India is $616."

"If I thought it had any chance of passing, I would start an RfC on the
English Wikipedia to ban all fundraising banners"

"I was certaily under the impression that WP was under financial duress
because of the banners."

"I do think the daily dot article raises some fair questions; namely, *why* is
the WMF doing all of this?"

"I find Andreas's point about the (unwarranted) urgency implied by the
language of fundraising banners very compelling (though I think the US
politics tangent is one that's liable to create more heat than light).
Another turn of phrase that stuck out to me in a recent banner was "Show
the volunteers who bring you reliable, neutral information that their work
matters." (example banner
). As
one of those volunteers who has spent hundreds (thousands?) of hours
editing Wikipedia, I was disappointed that WMF would presume to speak for
me in this way."

"I have always found the fundraising banners annoying at best and downright
pandering and hypocritical at worst."

"It is very sad that even in 2020s there are not many promising open
knowledge and free content projects. So please stop criticizing them for
raising funds, rather make them focus on solving issues of Wikimedia
projects."

"I've long believed that were the WMF to fire half its staff, the average
volunteer to any project -- the people who contribute content, not those
who regularly interact with the Foundation -- would not notice any
difference. [...] I believe it is a significant cause for resentment
towards Foundation fundraising. (The aggressive fundraising tactics is, of
course, another cause.)"

A contributor to the discussion has pinged you and asked for your comment:

@Lgruwell-WMF  and
MeganHernandez
(WMF) : - it's not
quite obvious who the fundraising leads are, so please feel free to ping
someone who may be more appropriate. If you've got 15 minutes, could you
have a read of the interview
,
and then the discussions/concerns above. As you can see, while many of us
don't agree with everything claimed by Kolbe, concerns about the aggressive
tone, as well as claims about editors, are common. Your thoughts and
participation would be appreciated

I'm not sure how often you log into Wikipedia, so I thought I would notify
you here.

Your participation in the discussion would be welcome.

Andreas

[1] https://www.dailydot.com/debug/wikipedia-endownemnt-fundraising/
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