[Wikimedia-l] Re: Upload for large files is broken

[Alexandros Kosiaris]

Hi,

For what it's worth, we have found a regression today that when
addressed, I expect will fix at least some of these issues. More in
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T275752

On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 10:00 PM Yann Forget  wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Since several weeks or months, upload for large files is essentially broken.
> It is now nearly impossible to upload a file larger than 100 MB. All file 
> formats are affected (PDF, TIFF, videos, etc.). Upload even failed for a 77 
> MB TIFF file from Internet Archive.
> See https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T292954 for details.
> There has not been much feedback from developers.
> However this is a serious issue and needs an urgent fix.
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Maximum_file_size#Maximum_upload_size
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons_talk:Maximum_file_size#%3E_100_MB
>
> As consequence, a Server side upload was requested:
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T292769
> The task is waiting for 3 weeks without action for a routine task which 
> should take only a very short time. I wonder if there are still developers 
> alive...
>
> Instead of fancy features development, WMF budget should be used on priority 
> for maintaining the existing functionalities. Uploading large files used to 
> work very well, so why has no effort been done to fix this bug?
>
> Regards,
> Yann Forget
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: What happened to the cc-by-sa-4.0 initiative?

[Andreas Kolbe]

Wikidata's CC0 licence and database rights are the reason why there was a
proposed amendment[1] to the WMF Terms of Use that was supposed to
accompany any upgrade to 4.0. This included the words:

Where you own Sui Generis Database Rights covered by CC BY-SA 4.0, you
waive these rights. As an example, this means facts you contribute to the
projects may be reused freely without attribution.

It was originally thought[2] that Wikidata under CC0 would not be allowed
to import content from a Share-Alike data source like Wikipedia (CC BY-SA
3.0).

But in the end, the view prevailed that 3.0 provided enough "wiggle room"
regarding database rights to risk the extraction of Wikipedia content to
Wikidata.

Version 4.0, however, removed that "wiggle room" by explicitly including
database rights – hence any upgrade to 4.0 would require the above waiver
to be added to the Terms of Use, or the relationship between Wikidata and
Wikipedia would not be able to continue as before.

This was explicitly confirmed[3] by WMF Legal Counsel Leighanna Mixter at
the time:

"This issue is one of the main reasons we have the sentence about waiving
database rights. ... The waiver language we added makes sure that copying
facts to Wikidata doesn’t have the CC 4.0 limitations anywhere, so that
bits of data can freely be copied over and put under the Wikidata CC0
license.

There was quite a lot of pushback[4] against this proposed waiver in the
Terms of Use, in particular from Wikimedians in Europe, where database
rights are more established.

Another sticking point, again particularly for some European users, was
that 4.0 itself includes an explicit waiver of "moral rights" as well as
"publicity, privacy, and personality rights".[5]

Andreas

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Terms_of_use/Creative_Commons_4.0/Diff
[2]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Wikidata=3876137=3875379
[3]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ATerms_of_use%2FCreative_Commons_4.0=revision=15967386=15967385
[4]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Terms_of_use/Creative_Commons_4.0=16066733#General_support_and_opposition
[5]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Terms_of_use/Creative_Commons_4.0=16013921#Oppose


On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 8:58 PM Luis Villa  wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 10:33 AM Luis Villa  wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 10:03 AM Todd Allen  wrote:
>>
>>> Certainly, any "database rights" should already be considered waived by
>>> the CC license ...
>>>
>>
>> No.
>>
>> All from CC BY-SA 4.0:
>>
>> 1.d:* "Copyright and Similar Rights* means copyright and/or similar
>> rights closely related to copyright including ... Sui Generis Database
>> Rights ...
>> 1.h: *Licensed Material* means the ... database ... to which the
>> Licensor applied this Public License.
>> 1.l: *Sui Generis Database Rights* means rights other than copyright
>> resulting from Directive 96/9/EC of the European Parliament and of the
>> Council of 11 March 1996 on the legal protection of databases, as amended
>> and/or succeeded, as well as other essentially equivalent rights anywhere
>> in the world.
>>
>> *Section 4 – Sui Generis Database Rights.*
>>
>> Where the Licensed Rights include Sui Generis Database Rights that apply
>> to Your use of the Licensed Material:
>>
>>1. for the avoidance of doubt, Section 2(a)(1)
>>
>>grants You the right to extract, reuse, reproduce, and Share all or a
>>substantial portion of the contents of the database;
>>2. if You include all or a substantial portion of the database
>>contents in a database in which You have Sui Generis Database Rights, then
>>the database in which You have Sui Generis Database Rights (but not its
>>individual contents) is Adapted Material, including for purposes of 
>> Section
>>3(b) ;
>>and
>>3. You must comply with the conditions in Section 3(a)
>> if You
>>Share all or a substantial portion of the contents of the database.
>>
>> For the avoidance of doubt, this Section 4
>> 
>> supplements and does not replace Your obligations under this Public License
>> where the Licensed Rights include other Copyright and Similar Rights.
>>
>
> And to be clear, I think this was a mistake and told CC that at the time;
> the basics of why I feel that way I collected a year or so later as
> https://lu.is/blog/2016/09/12/copyleft-and-data-database-law-as-poor-platform/
> and some subsequent posts. But 4.0 is what it is - an attempt to shoehorn
> database rights into a copyright license.
>
> Luis
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