[Wikimedia-l] Re: Are we losing our readers?

[James Heilman]

Well the story around Osmosis has further details... They released their
first 300 or so vidoes under an open license and they were within Wikipedia
articles for a while. You can still see them on Commons here:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Videos_from_Osmosis

A number of folks pushed exceedingly hard for their removal. And thus they
are no longer in EN WP. How extensively they were viewed we do not know as
we have no way to determine that data. Our only data for videos is if the
portion of the page they are on is loaded or not, and not if the play
button has been pressed or how much of the video was watched.

Following the breakdown of our collaboration with Osmosis they dropped the
use of an open license, and all their subsequent material is fully
copyrighted. Just a few weeks back they sold themselves to Elsevier...

Now one of the legitimate criticisms of these videos is that they were not
easily collaboratively editable. We have built software to make
collaborative editing of video easier. Unfortunately currently it is down
and we are needing to find a programmer able and willing to fix it, we at
Wiki Project Med do not have much funding available...

https://mdwiki.org/wiki/WikiProjectMed:VideoWiki

James



On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 4:53 PM Juergen Fenn  wrote:

> Thanks, James. I think this is an important point. So we could say we
> have lost a part of acedemia.
>
> More to the point, we seem to have failed to integrate course materials
> and multimedia formats into Wikipedia articles.
>
> Could we try and create some of these and integrate them into articles
> relevant to students in oder to test whether this makes a difference to
> them? Or do you think they would stick to Osmosis etc. anyway?
>
> Best regards,
> Jürgen.
>
> Am 08.01.22 um 00:38 Uhr schrieb James Heilman:
> > With respect to some anecdotal evidence, I have for many years asked the
> > medical students who work with me on their clinical rotations how they
> > study. I get a few passes through my department a month.
> >
> >  Most reported using Wikipedia 5 to 10 years back. Now sources like
> > Osmosis, which are basically short video overviews with questions banks
> > attached, are more commonly mentioned. Video is becoming a more common
> > way for younger folks to learn.
> >
> > James
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 3:55 PM Mohamed ElGohary  > > wrote:
> >
> > "Is the traffic measured where content is read" would be a better
> > way of putting it.
> >
> > --
> > Gohary (ircpresident)
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 8, 2022 at 12:52 AM Juergen Fenn  > > wrote:
> >
> > Anders raised the question how this relates to "smarter"
> > machine-created
> > traffic. Do we know more about this?
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Jürgen.
> >
> > Am 07.01.22 um 21:45 Uhr schrieb James Heilman:
> > > Have been tracking medical pageviews for EN WP for more than
> > 10 years.
> > > It appears our readership peaked around 2014, there was a bump
> > during
> > > the pandemic, and now the fall in pageviews is
> > continuing again... This
> > > despite much of our pageviews for medicine continuing to be
> > related to
> > > the pandemic.
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Change_in_medical_pageviews_from_2009_until_2014.png
> > <
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Change_in_medical_pageviews_from_2009_until_2014.png
> >
> > >
> > <
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Change_in_medical_pageviews_from_2009_until_2014.png
> > <
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Change_in_medical_pageviews_from_2009_until_2014.png
> >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Popular_pages
> > <
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Popular_pages
> >
> > >
> > <
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Popular_pages
> > <
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Popular_pages
> >>
> > >
> > > James
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 11:09 AM Toni Ristovski
> > mailto:toni91ehrl...@gmail.com>
> > >  > >> wrote:
> > >
> > > Additionally, pandemic 2020 with a lot of lockdowns makes
> many
> > > people commit to different activities, among them starting
> > editing
> > > on Wikipedia or reading more. Basically, in my opinion it
> > is better
> > > to compare with 2019 numbers. Also, it will be useful to
> > have some
> > > kind of survey about this which can give us a better
> > overview of
> > > these data.
> >  

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Are we losing our readers?

[F. Xavier Dengra i Grau via Wikimedia-l]

Hi/Bona nit

Specifically regarding the last emails about videos and new formats in 
university students and their use of Wikipedia. A truth is that we already had 
the chance to integrate better multimedia contents and formats via some 
channels that he already had: our sister projects.

Wikiversity, Wikibooks or Wikisource were in the past powerful and attractive 
tools, valid to integrate knowledge in more flexible (non-enciclopedic) forms 
until mid- last decade. Until they were abandoned with no further tech 
investing. I remember having trained and mentorized schools, universities and 
public institutions in Catalonia on Wikibooks until 2015. It was seen as a 
really valid alternative by then.

Since then WikiHow, Moodle, StuDocu, Notion or other participative niches have 
progressed with some multimedia inclusions as better opportunities than the WMF 
sister projects —even the WMF tried to rebrand itself from «Wikimedia 
Foundation» to «Wikipedia Foundation» in a move that I consider a disbelief 
towards its own content legacies. All this, despite many small-sized community 
efforts and requests to claim for better integration of multimedia features, 
that imho are the key to get these projects a bit back to new success. I don’t 
think that these competitors offer amazing features that we could not develop 
(apart from their cuter and cleaner interfaces?).

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and therefore I find that is normal that has some 
conceptual limitations in how it shapes and shows the content. You rely in 
other niches for more specific stuff. However, this may be easily tackled in 
Wikimedia if sister projects' potential and existing contents would be really 
valued and connected.

That way, if videos are one of the reasons why there is a loss of readers (I 
agree that we should be able to see longers trend to unmask possible covid 
peaks) on Wikipedia, we could still redirect/invite/seduce them to alternatives 
that are still interactive, Open Access, participative & transparent (i.e. 
Wikimedia wikis).

Best,

Xavier Dengra

‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐

El dissabte, 8 de gener 2022 a les 00:53, Juergen Fenn  va 
escriure:

> Thanks, James. I think this is an important point. So we could say we
>
> have lost a part of acedemia.
>
> More to the point, we seem to have failed to integrate course materials
>
> and multimedia formats into Wikipedia articles.
>
> Could we try and create some of these and integrate them into articles
>
> relevant to students in oder to test whether this makes a difference to
>
> them? Or do you think they would stick to Osmosis etc. anyway?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Jürgen.
>
> Am 08.01.22 um 00:38 Uhr schrieb James Heilman:
>
> > With respect to some anecdotal evidence, I have for many years asked the
> >
> > medical students who work with me on their clinical rotations how they
> >
> > study. I get a few passes through my department a month.
> >
> > Most reported using Wikipedia 5 to 10 years back. Now sources like
> >
> > Osmosis, which are basically short video overviews with questions banks
> >
> > attached, are more commonly mentioned. Video is becoming a more common
> >
> > way for younger folks to learn.
> >
> > James
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 3:55 PM Mohamed ElGohary  >
> > mailto:ircpresid...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > "Is the traffic measured where content is read" would be a better
> > way of putting it.
> >
> > --
> > Gohary (ircpresident)
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 8, 2022 at 12:52 AM Juergen Fenn  > > wrote:
> >
> > Anders raised the question how this relates to "smarter"
> > machine-created
> > traffic. Do we know more about this?
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Jürgen.
> >
> > Am 07.01.22 um 21:45 Uhr schrieb James Heilman:
> > > Have been tracking medical pageviews for EN WP for more than
> > 10 years.
> > > It appears our readership peaked around 2014, there was a bump
> > during
> > > the pandemic, and now the fall in pageviews is
> > continuing again... This
> > > despite much of our pageviews for medicine continuing to be
> > related to
> > > the pandemic.
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Change_in_medical_pageviews_from_2009_until_2014.png
> > 
> > 
> > >
> > 
> >  > 
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Popular_pages
> > 
> > 
> > >
> > 
> > 

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Are we losing our readers?

[Adam Sobieski]

Nathan,
All,

I wonder if Google maintains provenance for their “snippets” and whether 
developers and platform teams would be interested in requesting an API which 
includes features such as subscribing to pings (daily, weekly, or monthly) 
reporting usage data pertaining to derived data. The envisioned pings would say 
something like: 10,000 users this month asked questions which were answered by 
snippets derived from your content at: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Adams .

Brainstorming about the future of mobile computing and multimedia educational 
content, you might be interested in interactive video – video with menus (like 
Netflix “Black Mirror: Bandersnatch”, “Puss in Book: Trapped in an Epic Tale”, 
and “Minecraft Story Mode”). A tool for creating these videos is available at: 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/makerbox/tools/storyformer . In my opinion, interactive 
video is better for educational content than video.

You might be also interested in a new project proposal: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikianswers  .


Best regards,
Adam

From: Nathan
Sent: Friday, January 7, 2022 7:14 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Are we losing our readers?

I think a lot has been said on this list over the last few years about a couple 
of major factors that probably still play a role:

* Shift to mobile device usage and how that affects Wikipedia usage and 
pageview stats
* Availability of more and more "snippets" in search engine results, which 
often makes it unnecessary for someone to click through into an article

My own sense is that the prevalence of snippets and smart search results is 
growing rapidly, I often skip clicking through to Wikipedia if my question is 
answered by Google.

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Are we losing our readers?

[Nathan]

I think a lot has been said on this list over the last few years about a
couple of major factors that probably still play a role:

* Shift to mobile device usage and how that affects Wikipedia usage and
pageview stats
* Availability of more and more "snippets" in search engine results, which
often makes it unnecessary for someone to click through into an article

My own sense is that the prevalence of snippets and smart search results is
growing rapidly, I often skip clicking through to Wikipedia if my question
is answered by Google.
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Are we losing our readers?

[Juergen Fenn]

Thanks, James. I think this is an important point. So we could say we
have lost a part of acedemia.

More to the point, we seem to have failed to integrate course materials
and multimedia formats into Wikipedia articles.

Could we try and create some of these and integrate them into articles
relevant to students in oder to test whether this makes a difference to
them? Or do you think they would stick to Osmosis etc. anyway?

Best regards,
Jürgen.

Am 08.01.22 um 00:38 Uhr schrieb James Heilman:
> With respect to some anecdotal evidence, I have for many years asked the
> medical students who work with me on their clinical rotations how they
> study. I get a few passes through my department a month.
>
>  Most reported using Wikipedia 5 to 10 years back. Now sources like
> Osmosis, which are basically short video overviews with questions banks
> attached, are more commonly mentioned. Video is becoming a more common
> way for younger folks to learn.
>
> James
>
> On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 3:55 PM Mohamed ElGohary  > wrote:
>
> "Is the traffic measured where content is read" would be a better
> way of putting it. 
>
> --
> Gohary (ircpresident)
>
> On Sat, Jan 8, 2022 at 12:52 AM Juergen Fenn  > wrote:
>
> Anders raised the question how this relates to "smarter"
> machine-created
> traffic. Do we know more about this?
>
> Best Regards,
> Jürgen.
>
> Am 07.01.22 um 21:45 Uhr schrieb James Heilman:
> > Have been tracking medical pageviews for EN WP for more than
> 10 years.
> > It appears our readership peaked around 2014, there was a bump
> during
> > the pandemic, and now the fall in pageviews is
> continuing again... This
> > despite much of our pageviews for medicine continuing to be
> related to
> > the pandemic.
> >
> >
> 
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Change_in_medical_pageviews_from_2009_until_2014.png
> 
> 
> >
> 
>  
> >
> >
> >
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Popular_pages
> 
> 
> >
> 
>  
> >
> >
> > James
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 11:09 AM Toni Ristovski
> mailto:toni91ehrl...@gmail.com>
> >  >> wrote:
> >
> >     Additionally, pandemic 2020 with a lot of lockdowns makes many
> >     people commit to different activities, among them starting
> editing
> >     on Wikipedia or reading more. Basically, in my opinion it
> is better
> >     to compare with 2019 numbers. Also, it will be useful to
> have some
> >     kind of survey about this which can give us a better
> overview of
> >     these data.
> >
> >     As I`m editor and admin on Macedonian Wikipedia, I was quite
> >     surprised that our Wikipedia actually continues to grow in
> terms of
> >     reading and having a stable editing base.
> >
> >     All the best,
> >     Toni
> >
> >     On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 6:52 PM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
> >     mailto:galder...@hotmail.com>
> >>
> wrote:
> >
> >         There's another option: the 2020 pandemic lockdowns
> made a huge
> >         peak on views, so year on year, 2021 has worse results.
> >
> >         2022(e)ko urt. 7(a) 18:41 erabiltzaileak hau idatzi du
> (Anders
> >         Wennersten  
> >          >>):
> >
> >             When I look at statistics for mature wikipedias:
> en, de pl,
> >             nl they all
> >             show a decrease of views of 13-15% in last 12
> months from a
> >             year ago,
> >             and number of active editors down 10- 20 % (with
> exception
> >             of en).
> >
> >             Has this been analysed somewhere, are we losing
>

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Are we losing our readers?

[James Heilman]

With respect to some anecdotal evidence, I have for many years asked the
medical students who work with me on their clinical rotations how they
study. I get a few passes through my department a month.

 Most reported using Wikipedia 5 to 10 years back. Now sources like
Osmosis, which are basically short video overviews with questions banks
attached, are more commonly mentioned. Video is becoming a more common way
for younger folks to learn.

James

On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 3:55 PM Mohamed ElGohary 
wrote:

> "Is the traffic measured where content is read" would be a better way of
> putting it.
>
> --
> Gohary (ircpresident)
>
> On Sat, Jan 8, 2022 at 12:52 AM Juergen Fenn  wrote:
>
>> Anders raised the question how this relates to "smarter" machine-created
>> traffic. Do we know more about this?
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Jürgen.
>>
>> Am 07.01.22 um 21:45 Uhr schrieb James Heilman:
>> > Have been tracking medical pageviews for EN WP for more than 10 years.
>> > It appears our readership peaked around 2014, there was a bump during
>> > the pandemic, and now the fall in pageviews is continuing again... This
>> > despite much of our pageviews for medicine continuing to be related to
>> > the pandemic.
>> >
>> >
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Change_in_medical_pageviews_from_2009_until_2014.png
>> > <
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Change_in_medical_pageviews_from_2009_until_2014.png
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Popular_pages
>> > <
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Popular_pages
>> >
>> >
>> > James
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 11:09 AM Toni Ristovski > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > Additionally, pandemic 2020 with a lot of lockdowns makes many
>> > people commit to different activities, among them starting editing
>> > on Wikipedia or reading more. Basically, in my opinion it is better
>> > to compare with 2019 numbers. Also, it will be useful to have some
>> > kind of survey about this which can give us a better overview of
>> > these data.
>> >
>> > As I`m editor and admin on Macedonian Wikipedia, I was quite
>> > surprised that our Wikipedia actually continues to grow in terms of
>> > reading and having a stable editing base.
>> >
>> > All the best,
>> > Toni
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 6:52 PM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
>> > mailto:galder...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > There's another option: the 2020 pandemic lockdowns made a huge
>> > peak on views, so year on year, 2021 has worse results.
>> >
>> > 2022(e)ko urt. 7(a) 18:41 erabiltzaileak hau idatzi du (Anders
>> > Wennersten > > >):
>> >
>> > When I look at statistics for mature wikipedias: en, de pl,
>> > nl they all
>> > show a decrease of views of 13-15% in last 12 months from a
>> > year ago,
>> > and number of active editors down 10- 20 % (with exception
>> > of en).
>> >
>> > Has this been analysed somewhere, are we losing our readers
>> and
>> > contributors or is it mostly Google that access our info
>> > "smarter" not
>> > creating "views"
>> >
>> > Anders
>> >
>> > https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/de.wikipedia.org
>> > 
>> >
>> > https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/en.wikipedia.org
>> > 
>> >
>> > https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/nl.wikipedia.org
>> > 
>> >
>> > https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/pl.wikipedia.org
>> > 
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Are we losing our readers?

[Mohamed ElGohary]

"Is the traffic measured where content is read" would be a better way of
putting it.

--
Gohary (ircpresident)

On Sat, Jan 8, 2022 at 12:52 AM Juergen Fenn  wrote:

> Anders raised the question how this relates to "smarter" machine-created
> traffic. Do we know more about this?
>
> Best Regards,
> Jürgen.
>
> Am 07.01.22 um 21:45 Uhr schrieb James Heilman:
> > Have been tracking medical pageviews for EN WP for more than 10 years.
> > It appears our readership peaked around 2014, there was a bump during
> > the pandemic, and now the fall in pageviews is continuing again... This
> > despite much of our pageviews for medicine continuing to be related to
> > the pandemic.
> >
> >
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Change_in_medical_pageviews_from_2009_until_2014.png
> > <
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Change_in_medical_pageviews_from_2009_until_2014.png
> >
> >
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Popular_pages
> > <
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Popular_pages
> >
> >
> > James
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 11:09 AM Toni Ristovski  > > wrote:
> >
> > Additionally, pandemic 2020 with a lot of lockdowns makes many
> > people commit to different activities, among them starting editing
> > on Wikipedia or reading more. Basically, in my opinion it is better
> > to compare with 2019 numbers. Also, it will be useful to have some
> > kind of survey about this which can give us a better overview of
> > these data.
> >
> > As I`m editor and admin on Macedonian Wikipedia, I was quite
> > surprised that our Wikipedia actually continues to grow in terms of
> > reading and having a stable editing base.
> >
> > All the best,
> > Toni
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 6:52 PM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
> > mailto:galder...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > There's another option: the 2020 pandemic lockdowns made a huge
> > peak on views, so year on year, 2021 has worse results.
> >
> > 2022(e)ko urt. 7(a) 18:41 erabiltzaileak hau idatzi du (Anders
> > Wennersten  > >):
> >
> > When I look at statistics for mature wikipedias: en, de pl,
> > nl they all
> > show a decrease of views of 13-15% in last 12 months from a
> > year ago,
> > and number of active editors down 10- 20 % (with exception
> > of en).
> >
> > Has this been analysed somewhere, are we losing our readers
> and
> > contributors or is it mostly Google that access our info
> > "smarter" not
> > creating "views"
> >
> > Anders
> >
> > https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/de.wikipedia.org
> > 
> >
> > https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/en.wikipedia.org
> > 
> >
> > https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/nl.wikipedia.org
> > 
> >
> > https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/pl.wikipedia.org
> > 
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Are we losing our readers?

[Juergen Fenn]

Anders raised the question how this relates to "smarter" machine-created
traffic. Do we know more about this?

Best Regards,
Jürgen.

Am 07.01.22 um 21:45 Uhr schrieb James Heilman:
> Have been tracking medical pageviews for EN WP for more than 10 years.
> It appears our readership peaked around 2014, there was a bump during
> the pandemic, and now the fall in pageviews is continuing again... This
> despite much of our pageviews for medicine continuing to be related to
> the pandemic.
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Change_in_medical_pageviews_from_2009_until_2014.png
> 
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Popular_pages
> 
>
> James
>
> On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 11:09 AM Toni Ristovski  > wrote:
>
> Additionally, pandemic 2020 with a lot of lockdowns makes many
> people commit to different activities, among them starting editing
> on Wikipedia or reading more. Basically, in my opinion it is better
> to compare with 2019 numbers. Also, it will be useful to have some
> kind of survey about this which can give us a better overview of
> these data.
>
> As I`m editor and admin on Macedonian Wikipedia, I was quite
> surprised that our Wikipedia actually continues to grow in terms of
> reading and having a stable editing base.
>
> All the best,
> Toni
>
> On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 6:52 PM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
> mailto:galder...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>
> There's another option: the 2020 pandemic lockdowns made a huge
> peak on views, so year on year, 2021 has worse results.
>
> 2022(e)ko urt. 7(a) 18:41 erabiltzaileak hau idatzi du (Anders
> Wennersten  >):
>
> When I look at statistics for mature wikipedias: en, de pl,
> nl they all
> show a decrease of views of 13-15% in last 12 months from a
> year ago,
> and number of active editors down 10- 20 % (with exception
> of en).
>
> Has this been analysed somewhere, are we losing our readers and
> contributors or is it mostly Google that access our info
> "smarter" not
> creating "views"
>
> Anders
>
> https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/de.wikipedia.org
> 
>
> https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/en.wikipedia.org
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Are we losing our readers?

[James Heilman]

Have been tracking medical pageviews for EN WP for more than 10 years. It
appears our readership peaked around 2014, there was a bump during the
pandemic, and now the fall in pageviews is continuing again... This despite
much of our pageviews for medicine continuing to be related to the pandemic.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Change_in_medical_pageviews_from_2009_until_2014.png

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Popular_pages

James

On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 11:09 AM Toni Ristovski 
wrote:

> Additionally, pandemic 2020 with a lot of lockdowns makes many
> people commit to different activities, among them starting editing on
> Wikipedia or reading more. Basically, in my opinion it is better to compare
> with 2019 numbers. Also, it will be useful to have some kind of survey
> about this which can give us a better overview of these data.
>
> As I`m editor and admin on Macedonian Wikipedia, I was quite surprised
> that our Wikipedia actually continues to grow in terms of reading and
> having a stable editing base.
>
> All the best,
> Toni
>
> On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 6:52 PM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <
> galder...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> There's another option: the 2020 pandemic lockdowns made a huge peak on
>> views, so year on year, 2021 has worse results.
>>
>> 2022(e)ko urt. 7(a) 18:41 erabiltzaileak hau idatzi du (Anders Wennersten
>> ):
>>
>> When I look at statistics for mature wikipedias: en, de pl, nl they all
>> show a decrease of views of 13-15% in last 12 months from a year ago,
>> and number of active editors down 10- 20 % (with exception of en).
>>
>> Has this been analysed somewhere, are we losing our readers and
>> contributors or is it mostly Google that access our info "smarter" not
>> creating "views"
>>
>> Anders
>>
>> https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/de.wikipedia.org
>>
>> https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/en.wikipedia.org
>>
>> https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/nl.wikipedia.org
>>
>> https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/pl.wikipedia.org
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[Wikimedia-l] The Wikimedia Foundation Research Award of the Year - Call for Nominations

[Leila Zia]

[Apologies for cross-posting.]

Hi all,

We invite you to nominate one or more scholarly research publications
to be considered for the Wikimedia Foundation Research Award of the
Year. Learn more below.

=Purpose of the award=
Recognize recent research on or about the Wikimedia projects or recent
research that is of importance to the Wikimedia projects. Recognize
the researchers behind the research.

You can learn more about 2021's winners at
https://research.wikimedia.org/awards.html .

=Eligibility criteria=
Your nomination must meet the following criteria:

* The research must be on, about, using data from, and/or of
importance to Wikipedia, Wikidata, Wikisource, Wikimedia Commons or
other Wikimedia projects.

* The publication must be available in English.

* The research must have been published between January 1, 2021 and
December 31, 2021.

=Nomination process=
Submit your nominations by 2022-02-07 through
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* Title of the manuscript
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Note that self-nominations and nominations of others' work are both welcome.

==Winner(s)==
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Are we losing our readers?

[Toni Ristovski]

Additionally, pandemic 2020 with a lot of lockdowns makes many
people commit to different activities, among them starting editing on
Wikipedia or reading more. Basically, in my opinion it is better to compare
with 2019 numbers. Also, it will be useful to have some kind of survey
about this which can give us a better overview of these data.

As I`m editor and admin on Macedonian Wikipedia, I was quite surprised that
our Wikipedia actually continues to grow in terms of reading and having a
stable editing base.

All the best,
Toni

On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 6:52 PM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <
galder...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> There's another option: the 2020 pandemic lockdowns made a huge peak on
> views, so year on year, 2021 has worse results.
>
> 2022(e)ko urt. 7(a) 18:41 erabiltzaileak hau idatzi du (Anders Wennersten <
> m...@anderswennersten.se>):
>
> When I look at statistics for mature wikipedias: en, de pl, nl they all
> show a decrease of views of 13-15% in last 12 months from a year ago,
> and number of active editors down 10- 20 % (with exception of en).
>
> Has this been analysed somewhere, are we losing our readers and
> contributors or is it mostly Google that access our info "smarter" not
> creating "views"
>
> Anders
>
> https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/de.wikipedia.org
>
> https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/en.wikipedia.org
>
> https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/nl.wikipedia.org
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Are we losing our readers?

[Tito Dutta]

We have seen several search results where Wikipedia search rank have gone
down. It is not only me but several other Wikmedians have found the same,
so it may not be a user preference/behaviour issue. It is also not only for
specific search such as "vaccine", where Google would show WHO.

শুক্র, 7 জানু., 2022 11:21 PM তারিখে Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <
galder...@hotmail.com> লিখেছেন:

> There's another option: the 2020 pandemic lockdowns made a huge peak on
> views, so year on year, 2021 has worse results.
>
> 2022(e)ko urt. 7(a) 18:41 erabiltzaileak hau idatzi du (Anders Wennersten <
> m...@anderswennersten.se>):
>
> When I look at statistics for mature wikipedias: en, de pl, nl they all
> show a decrease of views of 13-15% in last 12 months from a year ago,
> and number of active editors down 10- 20 % (with exception of en).
>
> Has this been analysed somewhere, are we losing our readers and
> contributors or is it mostly Google that access our info "smarter" not
> creating "views"
>
> Anders
>
> https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/de.wikipedia.org
>
> https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/en.wikipedia.org
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> https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/nl.wikipedia.org
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Are we losing our readers?

[Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga]

There's another option: the 2020 pandemic lockdowns made a huge peak on views, so year on year, 2021 has worse results.2022(e)ko urt. 7(a) 18:41 erabiltzaileak hau idatzi du (Anders Wennersten ):When I look at statistics for mature wikipedias: en, de pl, nl they all 
show a decrease of views of 13-15% in last 12 months from a year ago, 
and number of active editors down 10- 20 % (with exception of en).

Has this been analysed somewhere, are we losing our readers and 
contributors or is it mostly Google that access our info "smarter" not 
creating "views"

Anders

https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/de.wikipedia.org

https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/en.wikipedia.org

https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/nl.wikipedia.org

https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/pl.wikipedia.org
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[Wikimedia-l] Are we losing our readers?

[Anders Wennersten]

When I look at statistics for mature wikipedias: en, de pl, nl they all 
show a decrease of views of 13-15% in last 12 months from a year ago, 
and number of active editors down 10- 20 % (with exception of en).


Has this been analysed somewhere, are we losing our readers and 
contributors or is it mostly Google that access our info "smarter" not 
creating "views"


Anders

https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/de.wikipedia.org

https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/en.wikipedia.org

https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/nl.wikipedia.org

https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/pl.wikipedia.org
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