[Wikimedia-l] Re: Apply to join the Leadership Development Working Group!

2022-03-29 Thread Gnangarra 
You miss the point we do this as volunteers: a stipend isn't necessary.
It's a just nice way to say thankyou for your time, offering it up may help
some people who would make great mentors being able to dedicate extra
time.  If you're doing it just for the stipend then it should be
questionable as to whether you're the right person to mentor volunteers to
become future leaders of the community. Every role whether it is outreach
to a group, leading an affiliate, being on a community committee, or even
organising a Wikimania requires dedicating time sometimes even at 2 or 3am,
taking responsibility it's all voluntary the most you'll get is a few kind
words.

On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 at 01:21, Lane Chance  wrote:

> In what way would it be bad to "publish [the analysis] to inform
> future projects"?
>
> Neither was it stated or implied in my email that stipends were to
> "cover every cost", just to put $5/hour in context that it may be
> enough to pay for a take-away, but it's not enough to cover anything
> significant like childcare costs, which happens to be an explicitly
> stated reason for paying a stipend on the meta page.
>
> The question about whether variations, like claiming extra expenses
> for childcare, is possible is a good one. By paying a fixed or nominal
> stipend, at first glance it appears that expenses beyond this will not
> be accepted by the WMF, which bakes in an obvious bias against
> participation from some minority groups with reasonable additional
> needs.
>
> Lane
>
> On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 at 13:01, Gnangarra  wrote:
> >
> > stipends aren't meant to cover every cost for the volunteer, its an
> acknowledgement that as volunteers we do incur costs we can always choose
> not to contribute. $200 a month yeah thats nice when your in the US, EU or
> AU for other less well off countries it does make a difference for them.
> It'd be unfair to offer a stipend to be varied between countries because
> it'd encourage and entrench bias, and inequity across the movement.
> >
> > On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 at 19:44, Lane Chance  wrote:
> >>
> >> It's worth highlighting the stipend (presumably intended for otherwise
> >> unpaid volunteers who are not full-time employees of the WMF). It's
> >> $200 for "each 2 months" and covers costs of "childcare, internet,
> >> transportation and other costs that make volunteering possible".
> >>
> >> The commitment is to give *5 hours a week* for a 1 year period, so
> >> $100/month is approximately $5 an hour in costs. A rock bottom rate
> >> for a babysitter in the USA would be $10/hour. If you need to travel
> >> to a quiet workspace, like a friendly and entirely free library or
> >> Uni, to do the work or find a cubical to join a Zoom meeting, then the
> >> cost of transport is likely to again going to start at $10 and if you
> >> need to buy a take-away to replace time preparing an evening meal
> >> that's going to be $20 for something basic. Some countries in Europe
> >> have government-supported childcare, but even these may not be free
> >> but subsidized.
> >>
> >> It would be interesting to see more analysis of how volunteer stipends
> >> are normalised if these are becoming more common in WMF grants and
> >> project funding, and how they are intended to vary based on the
> >> standard cost of living in different countries, additional real-life
> >> receipted costs or what other circumstances will justify increasing
> >> the non-receipted stipend. If this has been done behind the scenes by
> >> the WMF, it would be useful to publish it to inform future projects.
> >>
> >> Lane
> >>
> >> On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 at 21:09, Cassie Casares 
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > (Read this message in other languages on Meta-wiki: ‎العربية •
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> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Hello everyone,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > The Community Development team at the Wikimedia Foundation is
> supporting the creation of a global, community-driven Leadership
> Development Working Group. The purpose of the working group is to advise
> leadership development work. Feedback was collected in February 2022 and a
> summary of the feedback is on Meta-wiki. The application period to join the
> Working Group is now open and is closing soon on April 10, 2022. Please
> review the information about the working group, share with community
> members who might be interested, and apply if you are interested.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Thank you,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > The Community Development team
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Cassie Casares
> >> > Program Support Associate
> >> > Community Development
> >> > Wikimedia Foundation
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Apply to join the Leadership Development Working Group!

2022-03-29 Thread Lane Chance 
In what way would it be bad to "publish [the analysis] to inform
future projects"?

Neither was it stated or implied in my email that stipends were to
"cover every cost", just to put $5/hour in context that it may be
enough to pay for a take-away, but it's not enough to cover anything
significant like childcare costs, which happens to be an explicitly
stated reason for paying a stipend on the meta page.

The question about whether variations, like claiming extra expenses
for childcare, is possible is a good one. By paying a fixed or nominal
stipend, at first glance it appears that expenses beyond this will not
be accepted by the WMF, which bakes in an obvious bias against
participation from some minority groups with reasonable additional
needs.

Lane

On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 at 13:01, Gnangarra  wrote:
>
> stipends aren't meant to cover every cost for the volunteer, its an 
> acknowledgement that as volunteers we do incur costs we can always choose not 
> to contribute. $200 a month yeah thats nice when your in the US, EU or AU for 
> other less well off countries it does make a difference for them.  It'd be 
> unfair to offer a stipend to be varied between countries because it'd 
> encourage and entrench bias, and inequity across the movement.
>
> On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 at 19:44, Lane Chance  wrote:
>>
>> It's worth highlighting the stipend (presumably intended for otherwise
>> unpaid volunteers who are not full-time employees of the WMF). It's
>> $200 for "each 2 months" and covers costs of "childcare, internet,
>> transportation and other costs that make volunteering possible".
>>
>> The commitment is to give *5 hours a week* for a 1 year period, so
>> $100/month is approximately $5 an hour in costs. A rock bottom rate
>> for a babysitter in the USA would be $10/hour. If you need to travel
>> to a quiet workspace, like a friendly and entirely free library or
>> Uni, to do the work or find a cubical to join a Zoom meeting, then the
>> cost of transport is likely to again going to start at $10 and if you
>> need to buy a take-away to replace time preparing an evening meal
>> that's going to be $20 for something basic. Some countries in Europe
>> have government-supported childcare, but even these may not be free
>> but subsidized.
>>
>> It would be interesting to see more analysis of how volunteer stipends
>> are normalised if these are becoming more common in WMF grants and
>> project funding, and how they are intended to vary based on the
>> standard cost of living in different countries, additional real-life
>> receipted costs or what other circumstances will justify increasing
>> the non-receipted stipend. If this has been done behind the scenes by
>> the WMF, it would be useful to publish it to inform future projects.
>>
>> Lane
>>
>> On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 at 21:09, Cassie Casares  wrote:
>> >
>> > (Read this message in other languages on Meta-wiki: ‎العربية • Русский 
>> > •日本語 • 한국어)
>> >
>> >
>> > Hello everyone,
>> >
>> >
>> > The Community Development team at the Wikimedia Foundation is supporting 
>> > the creation of a global, community-driven Leadership Development Working 
>> > Group. The purpose of the working group is to advise leadership 
>> > development work. Feedback was collected in February 2022 and a summary of 
>> > the feedback is on Meta-wiki. The application period to join the Working 
>> > Group is now open and is closing soon on April 10, 2022. Please review the 
>> > information about the working group, share with community members who 
>> > might be interested, and apply if you are interested.
>> >
>> >
>> > Thank you,
>> >
>> >
>> > The Community Development team
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Cassie Casares
>> > Program Support Associate
>> > Community Development
>> > Wikimedia Foundation
>> > ccasa...@wikimedia.org
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[Wikimedia-l] Noteworthy update on IP address masking project

2022-03-29 Thread Sandister Tei 
In case you have missed it, the Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) has been laying
the groundwork for IP Masking for some time now. We have had to do this due
to changing norms and regulations on the internet

.


Once IPs are masked, the addresses of editors who don't log in on Wikimedia
projects will be fully or partially hidden. Those who need IP access

to
fight spam, vandalism, harassment and disinformation will still be able to
view them.


We have recently announced the implementation strategy

and
next steps for the project.


Community organisers who recruit, train and mentor Wikimedians, and want
more information on the changes this could bring to the identification of
anonymous editors, should please read and watch the IP Masking project page

.


Best regards.

––
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Community Relations Specialist (Anti-Harassment & Trust and Safety)
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[Wikimedia-l] Reminder: Wikimania 2022 Survey

2022-03-29 Thread kayode yussuf via Wikimedia-l 
 Dear community members,
We are going into the last days of Wikimania 2022 survey but we still want to 
hear from you. 
This is a reminder for you to please give us your event suggestions by March 
31. 
Read more via 
https://diff.wikimedia.org/2022/03/17/save-the-date-and-help-us-create-wikimania-2022/
Wikimania 2022 is coming August 11-14! 
Looking forward to your survey completion.
Thank you.
Kayode

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Apply to join the Leadership Development Working Group!

2022-03-29 Thread Gnangarra 
Sorry meant to say every second month, to be honest as mentors we should be
doing it to help others grow and help the movement grow not for the stipend
anyway

On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 at 20:00, Gnangarra  wrote:

> stipends aren't meant to cover every cost for the volunteer, its an
> acknowledgement that as volunteers we do incur costs we can always choose
> not to contribute. $200 a month yeah thats nice when your in the US, EU or
> AU for other less well off countries it does make a difference for them.
> It'd be unfair to offer a stipend to be varied between countries because
> it'd encourage and entrench bias, and inequity across the movement.
>
> On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 at 19:44, Lane Chance  wrote:
>
>> It's worth highlighting the stipend (presumably intended for otherwise
>> unpaid volunteers who are not full-time employees of the WMF). It's
>> $200 for "each 2 months" and covers costs of "childcare, internet,
>> transportation and other costs that make volunteering possible".
>>
>> The commitment is to give *5 hours a week* for a 1 year period, so
>> $100/month is approximately $5 an hour in costs. A rock bottom rate
>> for a babysitter in the USA would be $10/hour. If you need to travel
>> to a quiet workspace, like a friendly and entirely free library or
>> Uni, to do the work or find a cubical to join a Zoom meeting, then the
>> cost of transport is likely to again going to start at $10 and if you
>> need to buy a take-away to replace time preparing an evening meal
>> that's going to be $20 for something basic. Some countries in Europe
>> have government-supported childcare, but even these may not be free
>> but subsidized.
>>
>> It would be interesting to see more analysis of how volunteer stipends
>> are normalised if these are becoming more common in WMF grants and
>> project funding, and how they are intended to vary based on the
>> standard cost of living in different countries, additional real-life
>> receipted costs or what other circumstances will justify increasing
>> the non-receipted stipend. If this has been done behind the scenes by
>> the WMF, it would be useful to publish it to inform future projects.
>>
>> Lane
>>
>> On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 at 21:09, Cassie Casares 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > (Read this message in other languages on Meta-wiki: ‎العربية • Русский
>> •日本語 • 한국어)
>> >
>> >
>> > Hello everyone,
>> >
>> >
>> > The Community Development team at the Wikimedia Foundation is
>> supporting the creation of a global, community-driven Leadership
>> Development Working Group. The purpose of the working group is to advise
>> leadership development work. Feedback was collected in February 2022 and a
>> summary of the feedback is on Meta-wiki. The application period to join the
>> Working Group is now open and is closing soon on April 10, 2022. Please
>> review the information about the working group, share with community
>> members who might be interested, and apply if you are interested.
>> >
>> >
>> > Thank you,
>> >
>> >
>> > The Community Development team
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Cassie Casares
>> > Program Support Associate
>> > Community Development
>> > Wikimedia Foundation
>> > ccasa...@wikimedia.org
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Apply to join the Leadership Development Working Group!

2022-03-29 Thread Gnangarra 
stipends aren't meant to cover every cost for the volunteer, its an
acknowledgement that as volunteers we do incur costs we can always choose
not to contribute. $200 a month yeah thats nice when your in the US, EU or
AU for other less well off countries it does make a difference for them.
It'd be unfair to offer a stipend to be varied between countries because
it'd encourage and entrench bias, and inequity across the movement.

On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 at 19:44, Lane Chance  wrote:

> It's worth highlighting the stipend (presumably intended for otherwise
> unpaid volunteers who are not full-time employees of the WMF). It's
> $200 for "each 2 months" and covers costs of "childcare, internet,
> transportation and other costs that make volunteering possible".
>
> The commitment is to give *5 hours a week* for a 1 year period, so
> $100/month is approximately $5 an hour in costs. A rock bottom rate
> for a babysitter in the USA would be $10/hour. If you need to travel
> to a quiet workspace, like a friendly and entirely free library or
> Uni, to do the work or find a cubical to join a Zoom meeting, then the
> cost of transport is likely to again going to start at $10 and if you
> need to buy a take-away to replace time preparing an evening meal
> that's going to be $20 for something basic. Some countries in Europe
> have government-supported childcare, but even these may not be free
> but subsidized.
>
> It would be interesting to see more analysis of how volunteer stipends
> are normalised if these are becoming more common in WMF grants and
> project funding, and how they are intended to vary based on the
> standard cost of living in different countries, additional real-life
> receipted costs or what other circumstances will justify increasing
> the non-receipted stipend. If this has been done behind the scenes by
> the WMF, it would be useful to publish it to inform future projects.
>
> Lane
>
> On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 at 21:09, Cassie Casares 
> wrote:
> >
> > (Read this message in other languages on Meta-wiki: ‎العربية • Русский
> •日本語 • 한국어)
> >
> >
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> >
> > The Community Development team at the Wikimedia Foundation is supporting
> the creation of a global, community-driven Leadership Development Working
> Group. The purpose of the working group is to advise leadership development
> work. Feedback was collected in February 2022 and a summary of the feedback
> is on Meta-wiki. The application period to join the Working Group is now
> open and is closing soon on April 10, 2022. Please review the information
> about the working group, share with community members who might be
> interested, and apply if you are interested.
> >
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> >
> > The Community Development team
> >
> >
> >
> > Cassie Casares
> > Program Support Associate
> > Community Development
> > Wikimedia Foundation
> > ccasa...@wikimedia.org
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Apply to join the Leadership Development Working Group!

2022-03-29 Thread Lane Chance 
It's worth highlighting the stipend (presumably intended for otherwise
unpaid volunteers who are not full-time employees of the WMF). It's
$200 for "each 2 months" and covers costs of "childcare, internet,
transportation and other costs that make volunteering possible".

The commitment is to give *5 hours a week* for a 1 year period, so
$100/month is approximately $5 an hour in costs. A rock bottom rate
for a babysitter in the USA would be $10/hour. If you need to travel
to a quiet workspace, like a friendly and entirely free library or
Uni, to do the work or find a cubical to join a Zoom meeting, then the
cost of transport is likely to again going to start at $10 and if you
need to buy a take-away to replace time preparing an evening meal
that's going to be $20 for something basic. Some countries in Europe
have government-supported childcare, but even these may not be free
but subsidized.

It would be interesting to see more analysis of how volunteer stipends
are normalised if these are becoming more common in WMF grants and
project funding, and how they are intended to vary based on the
standard cost of living in different countries, additional real-life
receipted costs or what other circumstances will justify increasing
the non-receipted stipend. If this has been done behind the scenes by
the WMF, it would be useful to publish it to inform future projects.

Lane

On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 at 21:09, Cassie Casares  wrote:
>
> (Read this message in other languages on Meta-wiki: ‎العربية • Русский •日本語 • 
> 한국어)
>
>
> Hello everyone,
>
>
> The Community Development team at the Wikimedia Foundation is supporting the 
> creation of a global, community-driven Leadership Development Working Group. 
> The purpose of the working group is to advise leadership development work. 
> Feedback was collected in February 2022 and a summary of the feedback is on 
> Meta-wiki. The application period to join the Working Group is now open and 
> is closing soon on April 10, 2022. Please review the information about the 
> working group, share with community members who might be interested, and 
> apply if you are interested.
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
> The Community Development team
>
>
>
> Cassie Casares
> Program Support Associate
> Community Development
> Wikimedia Foundation
> ccasa...@wikimedia.org
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