Ah, OK, so it's not "intended to serve the entire Wikimedia movement!" - it's focused on internal Wikimedia training, not external users? I missed that, sorry, and thanks for the correction.

It's still quite embarrassing that WMF doesn't like 'dogfooding':
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eating_your_own_dog_food
Particularly when projects like Wikiversity are in dire need of technical support, and WMF is putting technical effort into running platforms like this rather than putting that effort into improving our own projects. Imagine if Google said "to find out how to suggest an edit on Google Maps, search on our local installation of Bing for help"?

Thanks,
Mike

On 13/5/22 00:00:42, Rae Adimer via Wikimedia-l wrote:
Mike,

As I understand it, this platform is for curated courses related to editing Wikipedia. Wikiversity has a much wider scope. I don't see a conflict between them.

Best,
Rae

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On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 6:50 PM Mike Peel <em...@mikepeel.net <mailto:em...@mikepeel.net>> wrote:

    But if WMF is choosing to actively support and develop a new
    platform for this kind of activity, and continues to not support
    Wikiversity to do the same, that’s quite a clear message?

    Thanks,
    Mike

    On 12 May 2022, at 22:57, Asaf Bartov <abar...@wikimedia.org
    <mailto:abar...@wikimedia.org>> wrote:

    
    No. There is no change to Wikiversity. It remains... what it is.

       A.

        

    Asaf Bartov (he/him/his)

    Senior Program Officer, Emerging Wikimedia Communities

    Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/>


    Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share
    in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality!
    https://donate.wikimedia.org <https://donate.wikimedia.org>


    On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 11:24 PM Mike Peel <em...@mikepeel.net
    <mailto:em...@mikepeel.net>> wrote:

        So ... is that the end of Wikiversity?

        Thanks,
        Mike

        On 11/5/22 23:50:48, Asaf Bartov wrote:
        > Yes, the platform is intended to serve the entire Wikimedia
        movement!
        >
        > We plan to pilot with some trusted affiliates first, to iron
        out kinks
        > and to take our time co-creating governance structures for
        the platform
        > with the broader community.  Once those are in place,
        authoring on the
        > platform would become available to all Wikimedians.
        >
        > Cheers,
        >
        >     A.
        >
        >
        >
        > Asaf Bartov (he/him/his)
        >
        > Senior Program Officer, Emerging Wikimedia Communities
        >
        > Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/
        <https://wikimediafoundation.org/>>
        >
        >
        > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely
        share
        > in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality!
        > https://donate.wikimedia.org <https://donate.wikimedia.org>
        <https://donate.wikimedia.org <https://donate.wikimedia.org>>
        >
        >
        > On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 9:20 PM Samuel Klein
        <meta...@gmail.com <mailto:meta...@gmail.com>
        > <mailto:meta...@gmail.com <mailto:meta...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
        >
        >     This is beautiful.  Nice to see Open edX in use.
        >     Feels like incentive to package a range of workshops and
        materials
        >     up in a reusable and discoverable way!  Open to WikiEdu
        + other
        >     community courses also?
        >
        >     SJ
        >
        >     On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 1:25 PM Cassie Casares
        >     <ccasa...@wikimedia.org <mailto:ccasa...@wikimedia.org>
        <mailto:ccasa...@wikimedia.org
        <mailto:ccasa...@wikimedia.org>>> wrote:
        >
        >         Hello everyone,
        >
        >
        >         TheCommunity Development team
>  <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Development
        <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Development>>is
        >         pleased to announce the courses that were delivered
        during the
        >         WikiLearn Pilot
        <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiLearn
        <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiLearn>>are
        >         now available for self-guided study on the
        newWikiLearn platform
        >         <https://learn.wiki/ <https://learn.wiki/>>, based
        on the free software Open edX.
>  <https://www.edx.org/?g_acctid=724-505-4034&g_campaign=gs-b2c-us-brand-core-roas&g_campaignid=16772388216&g_adgroupid=140810411408&g_adid=562435444795&g_keyword=edx&g_keywordid=kwd-89882436&g_network=g&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=gs-b2c-us-brand-core-roas&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=edx&hsa_acc=7245054034&hsa_cam=16772388216&hsa_grp=140810411408&hsa_ad=562435444795&hsa_src=g&hsa_tgt=kwd-89882436&hsa_kw=edx&hsa_mt=e&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_ver=3&gclid=CjwKCAjw9LSSBhBsEiwAKtf0n1bwsYmA8VKTTsJnwIR2_8Z_BQd6S1pQWgUItNyY-gI8bRSE27LgbBoCiQYQAvD_BwE
        
<https://www.edx.org/?g_acctid=724-505-4034&g_campaign=gs-b2c-us-brand-core-roas&g_campaignid=16772388216&g_adgroupid=140810411408&g_adid=562435444795&g_keyword=edx&g_keywordid=kwd-89882436&g_network=g&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=gs-b2c-us-brand-core-roas&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=edx&hsa_acc=7245054034&hsa_cam=16772388216&hsa_grp=140810411408&hsa_ad=562435444795&hsa_src=g&hsa_tgt=kwd-89882436&hsa_kw=edx&hsa_mt=e&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_ver=3&gclid=CjwKCAjw9LSSBhBsEiwAKtf0n1bwsYmA8VKTTsJnwIR2_8Z_BQd6S1pQWgUItNyY-gI8bRSE27LgbBoCiQYQAvD_BwE>>Open
        >         edX
>  <https://www.edx.org/?g_acctid=724-505-4034&g_campaign=gs-b2c-us-brand-core-roas&g_campaignid=16772388216&g_adgroupid=140810411408&g_adid=562435444795&g_keyword=edx&g_keywordid=kwd-89882436&g_network=g&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=gs-b2c-us-brand-core-roas&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=edx&hsa_acc=7245054034&hsa_cam=16772388216&hsa_grp=140810411408&hsa_ad=562435444795&hsa_src=g&hsa_tgt=kwd-89882436&hsa_kw=edx&hsa_mt=e&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_ver=3&gclid=CjwKCAjw9LSSBhBsEiwAKtf0n1bwsYmA8VKTTsJnwIR2_8Z_BQd6S1pQWgUItNyY-gI8bRSE27LgbBoCiQYQAvD_BwE
        
<https://www.edx.org/?g_acctid=724-505-4034&g_campaign=gs-b2c-us-brand-core-roas&g_campaignid=16772388216&g_adgroupid=140810411408&g_adid=562435444795&g_keyword=edx&g_keywordid=kwd-89882436&g_network=g&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=gs-b2c-us-brand-core-roas&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=edx&hsa_acc=7245054034&hsa_cam=16772388216&hsa_grp=140810411408&hsa_ad=562435444795&hsa_src=g&hsa_tgt=kwd-89882436&hsa_kw=edx&hsa_mt=e&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_ver=3&gclid=CjwKCAjw9LSSBhBsEiwAKtf0n1bwsYmA8VKTTsJnwIR2_8Z_BQd6S1pQWgUItNyY-gI8bRSE27LgbBoCiQYQAvD_BwE>>is
        >         a free software learning management system that was
        started in
        >         2012, and is developed in Python using the Django
        framework.
        >
        >
        >         The platform will host courses developed by
        Wikimedia Foundation
        >         teams on a variety of topics relevant to doing
        Wikimedia work.
        >         The intended audience of the platform is Wikimedia
        contributors
        >         of all kinds, and all you need to access the
        platform is your
        >         existing Wikimedia account. As we continue to evolve
        some
>         governance mechanisms for the platform, it will become open for
        >         contribution from all Wikimedia contributors.
        >
        >
        >         You can access the platform at learn.wiki
        <https://learn.wiki/ <https://learn.wiki/>>
        >
        >
        >         The courses currently available from the Community
        Development
        >         team are:
        >
        >
        >          1.
        >
        >             Introduction to Building Partnerships -This
        course will
        >             provide an in-depth curriculum on how to develop
        meaningful
        >             programmatic and organizational partnerships
        within the
        >             movement and with external partners.
        >
        >
        >          2.
        >
        >             Addressing Harassment Online - This short,
        introductory
        >             course will focus on developing skills that will
        help
        >             volunteers empathetically respond to online
        harassment.
        >
        >
        >         These courses are self-paced and graded by the original
        >         instructors of the live course. A computer graded
        version of
        >         these courses will be available shortly. The current
        courses are
        >         published in English with potential translation
        possible in FY 22-23
        >
        >
        >
        >         Please note that the self-paced/human-graded format
        will return
        >         marked assignments on a bi-weekly/monthly basis
        depending on
        >         capacity.
        >
        >
        >         Each course has been adapted from its original live
        format to be
        >         suitable for self-paced study. The Identifying and
        Addressing
        >         Harassmentcourse was authored and taught by Simona
        Ramkisson
>  <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:SRamkisson_(WMF)
        <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:SRamkisson_(WMF)>>.  The
        >         Introduction to Partnership Buildingcourse was
        authored and
        >         taught by Asaf Bartov
        >         <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Asaf_(WMF)
        <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Asaf_(WMF)>>.
        >
        >
        >         All Wikimedians with an active Wikimedia account can
        login to
        >         the WikiLearn platform using their Wikimedia
        identity (OAuth)
        >         without needing a separate account.
        >
        >
        >         If you have any questions or concerns about the
        courses or the
        >         learning management system Open edX
>  <https://www.edx.org/?g_acctid=724-505-4034&g_campaign=gs-b2c-us-brand-core-roas&g_campaignid=16772388216&g_adgroupid=140810411408&g_adid=562435444795&g_keyword=edx&g_keywordid=kwd-89882436&g_network=g&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=gs-b2c-us-brand-core-roas&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=edx&hsa_acc=7245054034&hsa_cam=16772388216&hsa_grp=140810411408&hsa_ad=562435444795&hsa_src=g&hsa_tgt=kwd-89882436&hsa_kw=edx&hsa_mt=e&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_ver=3&gclid=CjwKCAjw9LSSBhBsEiwAKtf0n1bwsYmA8VKTTsJnwIR2_8Z_BQd6S1pQWgUItNyY-gI8bRSE27LgbBoCiQYQAvD_BwE
        
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        > comdevt...@wikimedia.org <mailto:comdevt...@wikimedia.org>
        <mailto:comdevt...@wikimedia.org
        <mailto:comdevt...@wikimedia.org>>
        >
        >
        >         Thank you,
        >
        >
        >         The Community Development Team
        >
        >
        >         Cassie Casares
        >         Program Support Associate
        >         Community Development
        >         Wikimedia Foundation
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