[Wikimedia-l] Post-Wikimania Covid cases

[Andreas Kolbe]

Hi all,

I've heard from a couple of Wikimania attendees that they got ill with
Covid after Wikimania Singapore.

Just wondering – are those exceptional cases, or did this happen to a
substantial number of participants?

Best,
Andreas
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Post-Wikimania Covid cases

[Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga]

I don't know if there's something statistically significant, but when I 
returned home, some of my friends were with COVID, and not me. It would be 
difficult to know if Wikimania affected people, or simply there's a spike 
worldwide.

Take care

Galder

From: Andreas Kolbe 
Sent: Friday, September 8, 2023 4:43 PM
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Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Post-Wikimania Covid cases

Hi all,

I've heard from a couple of Wikimania attendees that they got ill with Covid 
after Wikimania Singapore.

Just wondering – are those exceptional cases, or did this happen to a 
substantial number of participants?

Best,
Andreas
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Post-Wikimania Covid cases

[Clover Moss]

I didn't attend but I'd imagine any event with international attendees
would have a  increased chance of spreading covid, even if certain measures
were taken to prevent that from happening.

On Fri, Sept 8, 2023, 10:47 a.m. Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <
galder...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I don't know if there's something statistically significant, but when I
> returned home, some of my friends were with COVID, and not me. It would be
> difficult to know if Wikimania affected people, or simply there's a spike
> worldwide.
>
> Take care
>
> Galder
> --
> *From:* Andreas Kolbe 
> *Sent:* Friday, September 8, 2023 4:43 PM
> *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List 
> *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Post-Wikimania Covid cases
>
> Hi all,
>
> I've heard from a couple of Wikimania attendees that they got ill with
> Covid after Wikimania Singapore.
>
> Just wondering – are those exceptional cases, or did this happen to a
> substantial number of participants?
>
> Best,
> Andreas
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Post-Wikimania Covid cases

[Neurodivergent Netizen]

> I didn't attend but I'd imagine any event with international attendees would 
> have a  increased chance of spreading covid, even if certain measures were 
> taken to prevent that from happening. 

Nevertheless, there are measures that can be taken to reduce the likelihood. 
Honestly, I need to disclaim the following by saying I’m not sure what measures 
were taken; however, I think one of those measures actually was taken: I think 
Wikimania was a hybrid event. Requirements for both testing and masks might’ve 
helped; the more accurate COVID tests take a couple days to process, the rapid 
tests are less accurate, hence the need for both. Also, outdoor eating areas, 
along with purified and ventilated air indoors would also helped. Requirements 
for vaccination would make sense in a world where vaccinations were more 
accessible.

An entirely virtual option would be ideal in the COVID situation we’re in (that 
is, a worldwide spike) would be the most ideal, but that’s impossible to 
predict.

From,
I dream of horses
She/her





> On Sep 8, 2023, at 7:48 AM, Clover Moss  wrote:
> 
> I didn't attend but I'd imagine any event with international attendees would 
> have a  increased chance of spreading covid, even if certain measures were 
> taken to prevent that from happening. 
> 
> On Fri, Sept 8, 2023, 10:47 a.m. Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga 
> mailto:galder...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>> I don't know if there's something statistically significant, but when I 
>> returned home, some of my friends were with COVID, and not me. It would be 
>> difficult to know if Wikimania affected people, or simply there's a spike 
>> worldwide.
>> 
>> Take care
>> 
>> Galder
>> From: Andreas Kolbe mailto:jayen...@gmail.com>>
>> Sent: Friday, September 8, 2023 4:43 PM
>> To: Wikimedia Mailing List > >
>> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Post-Wikimania Covid cases
>>  
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I've heard from a couple of Wikimania attendees that they got ill with Covid 
>> after Wikimania Singapore.
>> 
>> Just wondering – are those exceptional cases, or did this happen to a 
>> substantial number of participants?
>> 
>> Best,
>> Andreas
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Post-Wikimania Covid cases

[Reke Wang]

There was over 20 Taiwanese people participated Wikimania, and only two of
them has told to others that they got COVID. The other 90% participants
were healthy I think.

Andreas Kolbe  於 2023年9月8日 週五 下午10:44 寫道：

> Hi all,
>
> I've heard from a couple of Wikimania attendees that they got ill with
> Covid after Wikimania Singapore.
>
> Just wondering – are those exceptional cases, or did this happen to a
> substantial number of participants?
>
> Best,
> Andreas
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Post-Wikimania Covid cases

[Lane Rasberry]

I got COVID at Wikimania as did my boyfriend Fabian. Our symptoms both
began two days after the conference. I was sick in bed, hardly moving for 3
days. Both of us have been vaccinated five times in the United States and
caught COVID one time before.

Completely unrelated, but back in the United States our housemates got
COVID while we were gone. Also elsewhere in my town there are suddenly
people out with COVID in many places, when for some time, we had not been
experiencing cases.

On Fri, Sep 8, 2023 at 11:03 AM Neurodivergent Netizen <
idoh.idreamofhor...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I didn't attend but I'd imagine any event with international attendees
> would have a  increased chance of spreading covid, even if certain measures
> were taken to prevent that from happening.
>
>
> Nevertheless, there are measures that can be taken to reduce the
> likelihood. Honestly, I need to disclaim the following by saying I’m not
> sure what measures were taken; however, I think one of those measures
> actually was taken: I think Wikimania was a hybrid event. Requirements for
> both testing and masks might’ve helped; the more accurate COVID tests take
> a couple days to process, the rapid tests are less accurate, hence the need
> for both. Also, outdoor eating areas, along with purified and ventilated
> air indoors would also helped. Requirements for vaccination would make
> sense in a world where vaccinations were more accessible.
>
> An entirely virtual option would be ideal in the COVID situation we’re in
> (that is, a worldwide spike) would be the most ideal, but that’s impossible
> to predict.
>
> From,
> I dream of horses
> She/her
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 8, 2023, at 7:48 AM, Clover Moss 
> wrote:
>
> I didn't attend but I'd imagine any event with international attendees
> would have a  increased chance of spreading covid, even if certain measures
> were taken to prevent that from happening.
>
> On Fri, Sept 8, 2023, 10:47 a.m. Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <
> galder...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't know if there's something statistically significant, but when I
>> returned home, some of my friends were with COVID, and not me. It would be
>> difficult to know if Wikimania affected people, or simply there's a spike
>> worldwide.
>>
>> Take care
>>
>> Galder
>> --
>> *From:* Andreas Kolbe 
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 8, 2023 4:43 PM
>> *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List 
>> *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Post-Wikimania Covid cases
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I've heard from a couple of Wikimania attendees that they got ill with
>> Covid after Wikimania Singapore.
>>
>> Just wondering – are those exceptional cases, or did this happen to a
>> substantial number of participants?
>>
>> Best,
>> Andreas
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Post-Wikimania Covid cases

[Neurodivergent Netizen]

Testing for COVID is on the decrease. I wonder if all twenty are getting 
tested, or if they are getting tested, how inclined they are to tell others 
they’ve caught it?

From,
I dream of horses
She/her





> On Sep 8, 2023, at 7:55 AM, Reke Wang  wrote:
> 
> There was over 20 Taiwanese people participated Wikimania, and only two of 
> them has told to others that they got COVID. The other 90% participants were 
> healthy I think.
> 
> Andreas Kolbe mailto:jayen...@gmail.com>> 於 2023年9月8日 週五 
> 下午10:44 寫道：
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I've heard from a couple of Wikimania attendees that they got ill with Covid 
>> after Wikimania Singapore.
>> 
>> Just wondering – are those exceptional cases, or did this happen to a 
>> substantial number of participants?
>> 
>> Best,
>> Andreas
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Post-Wikimania Covid cases

[Robert Myers]

It would be hard to know where you picked it up from. Certainly the longer you?re in a venue, the chances increase but you can still pick it up in locations you may have only spent a few minutes in. There was an uptick in cases world wide around the time of Wikimania. I was unable to attend due to work commitments, since my place of employment had people off due to COVID. Wikimania didn?t have any requirements, it recommend ART/RAT, face masks and to stay away from the conference if unwell https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2023:Health. PCR tests are now impossible to get, even if you can, they are now expensive. Though I found ART/RAT to be relatively reliable but just not as sensitive (T line would be faint for the first two days of symptoms), when I got CO
 VID for the first time in March/April this year. I do not agree with enforcing testing, face masks and COVID vaccinations, when countries have moved away from such restrictions. --Robert Myersrobert.my...@wikimedia.org.auOn 9 Sep 2023, at 2:01 am, Lane Rasberry  wrote:?I got COVID at Wikimania as did my boyfriend Fabian. Our symptoms both began two days after the conference. I was sick in bed, hardly moving for 3 days. Both of us have been vaccinated five times in the United States and caught COVID one time before.Completely unrelated, but back in the United States our housemates got COVID while we were gone. Also elsewhere in my town there are suddenly people out with COVID in many places, whe
 n for some time, we had not been experiencing cases.On Fri, Sep 8, 2023 at 11:03?AM Neurodivergent Netizen  wrote:I didn't attend but I'd imagine any event with international attendees would have a  increased chance of spreading covid, even if certain measures were taken to prevent that from happening. Nevertheless, there are measures that can be taken to reduce the likelihood. Honestly, I need to disclaim the following by saying I?m not sure what measures were taken; however, I think one of those measures actually was taken: I think Wikimania was a hybrid event. Requirements for both testing and 
 masks might?ve helped; the more accurate COVID tests take a couple days to process, the rapid tests are less accurate, hence the need for both. Also, outdoor eating areas, along with purified and ventilated air indoors would also helped. Requirements for vaccination would make sense in a world where vaccinations were more accessible.An entirely virtual option would be ideal in the COVID situation we?re in (that is, a worldwide spike) would be the most ideal, but that?s impossible to predict.From,I dream of horsesShe/her


On Sep 8, 2023, at 7:48 AM, Clover Moss  wrote:I didn't attend but I'd imagine any event with international attendees would have a  increased chance of spreading covid, even if certain measures were taken to prevent that from happening. On Fri, Sept 8, 2023, 10:47 a.m. Galder Gonzalez Larra?aga  wrote:






I don't know if there's something statistically significant, but when I returned home, some of my friends were with COVID, and not me. It would be difficult to know if Wikimania affected people, or simply there's a spike worldwide.




Take care




Galder



From: Andreas Kolbe 
Sent: Friday, September 8, 2023 4:43 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Post-Wikimania Covid cases
 


Hi all,


I've heard from a couple of Wikimania attendees that they got ill with Covid after Wikimania Singapore.


Just wondering ? are those exceptional cases, or did this happen to a substantial number of participants?


Best,
Andreas




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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Post-Wikimania Covid cases

[Neurodivergent Netizen]

> It would be hard to know where you picked it up from. Certainly the longer 
> you?re in a venue, the chances increase but you can still pick it up in 
> locations you may have only spent a few minutes in. 

It’s difficult, but not impossible; contact tracing is A Thing, and can be 
traced back to John Snow tracing back a cholera outbreak to a water fountain 
pre-germ theory.

> I do not agree with enforcing testing, face masks and COVID vaccinations, 
> when countries have moved away from such restrictions.

A private organization, non-profit or otherwise, shouldn’t have to have 
permission from the government to enforce face masks. If an organization wants 
to enforce COVID precautions for their event, they should do so without 
conseqeunce. This may not be what you mean, the above statement might be more 
of a shrug, but such restrictions on enforcing COVID precautions isn’t without 
precedent; according to AARP.org , in Florida:
> A law passed by the state legislature May 3 and signed by Gov. Ron DeSantis 
> May 11 permanently prohibits private businesses and government entities from 
> imposing mask mandates. Local governments and school systems were already 
> barred from establishing mask rules and other COVID-19 restrictions under a 
> May 2021 gubernatorial order.
> 
From,

I dream of horses

She/her



> On Sep 8, 2023, at 4:55 PM, Robert Myers  
> wrote:
> 
> It would be hard to know where you picked it up from. Certainly the longer 
> you?re in a venue, the chances increase but you can still pick it up in 
> locations you may have only spent a few minutes in. 
> 
> There was an uptick in cases world wide around the time of Wikimania. I was 
> unable to attend due to work commitments, since my place of employment had 
> people off due to COVID. 
> 
> Wikimania didn?t have any requirements, it recommend ART/RAT, face masks and 
> to stay away from the conference if unwell 
> https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2023:Health. PCR tests are now 
> impossible to get, even if you can, they are now expensive. Though I found 
> ART/RAT to be relatively reliable but just not as sensitive (T line would be 
> faint for the first two days of symptoms), when I got COVID for the first 
> time in March/April this year. 
> 
> I do not agree with enforcing testing, face masks and COVID vaccinations, 
> when countries have moved away from such restrictions. 
> 
> --
> Robert Myers
> robert.my...@wikimedia.org.au 
> 
>> On 9 Sep 2023, at 2:01 am, Lane Rasberry > > wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> I got COVID at Wikimania as did my boyfriend Fabian. Our symptoms both began 
>> two days after the conference. I was sick in bed, hardly moving for 3 days. 
>> Both of us have been vaccinated five times in the United States and caught 
>> COVID one time before.
>> 
>> Completely unrelated, but back in the United States our housemates got COVID 
>> while we were gone. Also elsewhere in my town there are suddenly people out 
>> with COVID in many places, when for some time, we had not been experiencing 
>> cases.
>> 
>> On Fri, Sep 8, 2023 at 11:03?AM Neurodivergent Netizen 
>> mailto:idoh.idreamofhor...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 I didn't attend but I'd imagine any event with international attendees 
 would have a  increased chance of spreading covid, even if certain 
 measures were taken to prevent that from happening. 
>>> 
>>> Nevertheless, there are measures that can be taken to reduce the 
>>> likelihood. Honestly, I need to disclaim the following by saying I?m not 
>>> sure what measures were taken; however, I think one of those measures 
>>> actually was taken: I think Wikimania was a hybrid event. Requirements for 
>>> both testing and masks might?ve helped; the more accurate COVID tests take 
>>> a couple days to process, the rapid tests are less accurate, hence the need 
>>> for both. Also, outdoor eating areas, along with purified and ventilated 
>>> air indoors would also helped. Requirements for vaccination would make 
>>> sense in a world where vaccinations were more accessible.
>>> 
>>> An entirely virtual option would be ideal in the COVID situation we?re in 
>>> (that is, a worldwide spike) would be the most ideal, but that?s impossible 
>>> to predict.
>>> 
>>> From,
>>> I dream of horses
>>> She/her
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 8, 2023, at 7:48 AM, Clover Moss >>> > wrote:
 
 I didn't attend but I'd imagine any event with international attendees 
 would have a  increased chance of spreading covid, even if certain 
 measures were taken to prevent that from happening. 
 
 On Fri, Sept 8, 2023, 10:47 a.m. Galder Gonzalez Larra?aga 
 mailto:galder...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
> I don't know if there's something statistically significant, but when I 
> returned home, some of my friends were with COVID, and not me. It would 
> be difficult to know if W

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Post-Wikimania Covid cases

[Risker]

I suspect if you took any group of 800 people who almost all traveled by
air for between 8 and 25 hours from all over the world, and probably all
spent what felt like way too much time in airports in each direction, and
also made the conscious choice not to mask up while in close proximity with
800 other people from all over the world, we'd find a pretty similar
pattern of illness.  Almost everyone had close enough contact with at least
3000 people in the week surrounding Wikimania to potentially pick up COVID
or any other bugs; most people would normally have contact with fewer than
100 and those potential contacts would likely be from the same geographic
region. I've heard of several cases, but none amongst those who chose to
wear masks at the conference, and there were quite a few mask wearers.

Speaking personally, I tested before I left, when I returned, and then 5
days after return and all were negative. I know I had multiple extended
close contacts with people (including a couple in this thread! Hope you're
feeling better!) while there. I'm really sorry that some folks caught COVID
during their travels, but I don't think there's any reasonable chance to
identify an "index patient" at Wikimania.  As others have pointed out, it
is increasingly difficult to obtain at-home and PCR testing - I only had
home testing kits because I stocked up just before they became unavailable
here, and PCR testing is usually only done if someone is sick enough for
hospital admission in most countries now, even if they have a known contact.

It is always, always a risk to participate in international travel and
extensive contact with hundreds and thousands of people. It was a risk
before COVID, and it will remain a risk long after COVID is considered an
endemic illness similar to influenza.

And this is a good reminder for all of us to go wash our hands. Again.

Risker/Anne

On Fri, 8 Sept 2023 at 20:28, Neurodivergent Netizen <
idoh.idreamofhor...@gmail.com> wrote:

> It would be hard to know where you picked it up from. Certainly the longer
> you?re in a venue, the chances increase but you can still pick it up in
> locations you may have only spent a few minutes in.
>
>
> It’s difficult, but not impossible; contact tracing is A Thing, and can be
> traced back to John Snow tracing back a cholera outbreak to a water
> fountain pre-germ theory.
>
> I do not agree with enforcing testing, face masks and COVID vaccinations,
> when countries have moved away from such restrictions.
>
>
> A private organization, non-profit or otherwise, shouldn’t have to have
> permission from the government to enforce face masks. If an organization
> wants to enforce COVID precautions for their event, they should do so
> without conseqeunce. This may not be what you mean, the above statement
> might be more of a shrug, but such restrictions on enforcing COVID
> precautions isn’t without precedent; according to AARP.org, in Florida:
>
> A law passed by the state legislature May 3 and signed by Gov. Ron
> DeSantis May 11 permanently prohibits private businesses and government
> entities from imposing mask mandates. Local governments and school systems
> were already barred from establishing mask rules and other COVID-19
> restrictions under a May 2021 gubernatorial order.
>
> From,
>
> I dream of horses
>
> She/her
>
>
> On Sep 8, 2023, at 4:55 PM, Robert Myers 
> wrote:
>
> It would be hard to know where you picked it up from. Certainly the longer
> you?re in a venue, the chances increase but you can still pick it up in
> locations you may have only spent a few minutes in.
>
> There was an uptick in cases world wide around the time of Wikimania. I
> was unable to attend due to work commitments, since my place of employment
> had people off due to COVID.
>
> Wikimania didn?t have any requirements, it recommend ART/RAT, face masks
> and to stay away from the conference if unwell
> https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2023:Health. PCR tests are now
> impossible to get, even if you can, they are now expensive. Though I found
> ART/RAT to be relatively reliable but just not as sensitive (T line would
> be faint for the first two days of symptoms), when I got COVID for the
> first time in March/April this year.
>
> I do not agree with enforcing testing, face masks and COVID vaccinations,
> when countries have moved away from such restrictions.
>
> --
> Robert Myers
> robert.my...@wikimedia.org.au
>
> On 9 Sep 2023, at 2:01 am, Lane Rasberry  wrote:
>
> ?
> I got COVID at Wikimania as did my boyfriend Fabian. Our symptoms both
> began two days after the conference. I was sick in bed, hardly moving for 3
> days. Both of us have been vaccinated five times in the United States and
> caught COVID one time before.
>
> Completely unrelated, but back in the United States our housemates got
> COVID while we were gone. Also elsewhere in my town there are suddenly
> people out with COVID in many places, when for some time, we had not been
> experiencing cases.
>