Re: [Wikimedia-l] No access to the Uzbek Wikipedia in Uzbekistan

2013-01-12 Thread Anonymous User 
Dear all, dear Tim,

I want to extend the thank you from the Uzbek Wikipedia community. I let
them use their own words (although, translated for the benefit of this
list).

user 1: wow, it's great! who has done it
user 2: wikimedia programmers
user 1; super! real heroes!
user 3: thank you, thank you, thank you!
user 4: so now we're waiting for google to index uzwiki
user 2: it's awesome, i cannot even express how awesome it is
user 2: Thank you guys for helping us. And special thanks to Tim Starling.
user 2: We're going to introduce Tim Starling day in Uzbek Wikipedia as well

I also pinged my contacts at Google, hoping that they can schedule the
reindexing soon. Thanks to everyone involved.

Rahmat va salomlar!





On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 6:17 AM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.orgwrote:

 On 24/12/12 20:23, Anonymous User wrote:
  I don't know how much effort each of these two measures would be. If
 you'd
  ask me, I would suggest to be very serious, but we are not under a
  deadline (the situation has been like this for more than a year now), and
  setting the rel=caonical would already be really, really helpful.

 This is done now. It would be good if Google could crawl
 uz.wikipedia.org to update the canonical URLs.

 In case anyone is wondering, I don't think this would be a good thing
 to do on zh.wikipedia.org. The Chinese government would happily block
 *.wikipedia.org port 443 if it became popular. At least the current
 situation provides a way to work around keyword filtering for people
 who are sufficiently motivated -- if HTTPS was blocked, it would be
 much less useful.

 -- Tim Starling


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] No access to the Uzbek Wikipedia in Uzbekistan

2012-12-28 Thread Anonymous User 
Thank you everyone for your help, and I especially appreciate Sumanah for
setting up the bug and making the RT ticket happen. Unfortunately, I cannot
track the progress of the RT ticket, but I am sure someone will keep us
posted on the Bugzilla bug or on this list.

Eternal gratitude to everyone involved!



Regarding the discussion about the IP, here are my thoughts, but maybe I am
missing a number of the technical intricacies here:

I am not sure if I understand correctly, but having access through the IP
does not seem to improve the situation. Remember that access through https
is perfectly possible. So for anyone who really wants to access the wiki
and knows about the https-access, they can.

The problem are those people that do not know about it. There are no people
coming to the Uzbek Wikipedia through search engines, because they link to
the http-protocol version of the URLs. That is why making the https-Version
canonical and thus the addresses the search engines eventually point to
much more useful.

One could make the IP-Adress directly canonical -- otherwise setting up
this extra-IP would not bring any advantage -- and thus avoid DNS, but this
is not required to resolve the current problem, and it sure would not be
very pretty. Also, IP-banning a single IP through an ISP is all but hard
for an ISP. And anyway, it would need to be configured to setup a canonical
URL, which is the currently suggested next step anyway.

Therefore I would suggest to refrain from setting up a specific IP (besides
the technicality of having too few IPs around), at least for now, and
concentrate on canonizing the HTTPS protocol (as summed up in the Bug).

Thank you again!





On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 3:05 AM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote:

 How many languages _need_ this?

 Is it only one language-project?

 If you only need one IP address, to avoid censorship by one country, it
 should be achievable.

 John Vandenberg.
 sent from Galaxy Note
 On Dec 28, 2012 4:21 AM, Leslie Carr lc...@wikimedia.org wrote:

  
   I wish that  http://208.80.154.225/wiki/Bosh_Sahifa and
   https://208.80.154.225/wiki/Bosh_Sahifa would work, too, but the
   foundation apparently can't or chooses not to afford separate IP
   addresses for each language's Wikipedia.
 
  As one of the network folks, I will answer this.   We do not have
  enough public IP(v4)s for an address for each language in each
  project, and unless someone gives us a major donation of IPv4
  addresses (anyone have a spare /20 laying around?), I don't think we
  will be able to make this happen as we are frugal with our existing
  IPs and the allocating authorities (RIPE and ARIN) are being quite
  strict with their new IPv4 allocations.
 
  If you'd like to read more about IP allocation policies, here's a few
 links
  https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four3
  https://www.arin.net/resources/request/ipv4_depletion.html
  https://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-553 (see section 5.6)
 
 
  Leslie
 
  --
  Leslie Carr
  Wikimedia Foundation
  AS 14907, 43821
  http://as14907.peeringdb.com/
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] No access to the Uzbek Wikipedia in Uzbekistan

2012-12-24 Thread Anonymous User 
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 1:15 AM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org
 wrote:

 Is it enough to set the link rel=canonical, or is it also
 necessary to redirect?


When I asked the nice folks at Google's search team, they answered me the
following:

* The best answer would for them to use rel=canonical tags so that
http://example.wikimedia.uz points to http*s*://example.wikimedia.uz. So
I'd send them this page:
http://support.google.com/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=enanswer=139394 and
tell them to start doing that. If they're very serious (and it's a small
property, so there's not much risk) then they could make every http page
301 to the https version as well.



I don't know how much effort each of these two measures would be. If you'd
ask me, I would suggest to be very serious, but we are not under a
deadline (the situation has been like this for more than a year now), and
setting the rel=caonical would already be really, really helpful.

Thank you all for your encouraging comments so far.
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