[Wikimedia-l] let's elect people to serve on the wikimedia engineering community team! (brainstorming)
Hi all. WMF Engineering is currently composed of individual teams as documented at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering . These teams look after the software that faces us everyday, and often work together. Could we please have some more people (potentially a dedicated ‘community’ team) who could do these things: - encourage feedback by absolutely /anyone/ about the next features they'd like, - run programming and documentation activities requested (or started) by community [there would be a lot of small projects, unlike the big ones the current Teams are working on], - encourage localising documentation for, and centralising the location of, all community-developed programming work, - raise awareness of community development efforts across all Wikimedia projects, - actively encourage members of community become MediaWiki and Gadgets hackers in the Free Software philosophy? This would be, in my view, a relatively small, collaboration-type team (with just half a handful of people for timezone coverage for IRC support). Open to brainstorming and suggestions. I would compile thoughts into a wiki page afterwards to continue thinking on the idea. Regards Gryllida. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] let's elect people to serve on the wikimedia engineering community team! (brainstorming)
On Tue, 5 Aug 2014, at 20:48, Fæ wrote: On 5 August 2014 11:33, Gryllida gryll...@fastmail.fm wrote: Hi all. WMF Engineering is currently composed of individual teams as documented at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering . These teams look after the software that faces us everyday, and often work together. Could we please have some more people (potentially a dedicated ‘community’ team) who could do these things: - encourage feedback by absolutely /anyone/ about the next features they'd like, - run programming and documentation activities requested (or started) by community [there would be a lot of small projects, unlike the big ones the current Teams are working on], - encourage localising documentation for, and centralising the location of, all community-developed programming work, - raise awareness of community development efforts across all Wikimedia projects, - actively encourage members of community become MediaWiki and Gadgets hackers in the Free Software philosophy? This would be, in my view, a relatively small, collaboration-type team (with just half a handful of people for timezone coverage for IRC support). Open to brainstorming and suggestions. I would compile thoughts into a wiki page afterwards to continue thinking on the idea. The roles you describe seem to have a lot of overlap with what we might expect WMF volunteer coordinators / WMF community liaison employees to be busy with. Compare with: * http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Volunteer_Development_Coordinator * http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Community_Liaison Do you intend this to be an unpaid team of volunteers doing these tasks, or a end user group (in the Agile sense) that would be supported by employees and may themselves be paid for some activities? Fae Both please? [This is a question! This is a brainstorming thread.] Some part of such group of people could be paid (like the job openings you linked), and a very vast part could be volunteer and supported by the said employees (and documentation). Gryllida. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Effective censorship of Wikipedia by Google
On Sun, 3 Aug 2014, at 08:27, Fæ wrote: Re: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/aug/02/wikipedia-page-google-link-hidden-right-to-be-forgotten If Google disappearing a Wikipedia article is a notable news event, It is not. They had processed a lot of such requests in July. The real event is here: On Thursday, Google revealed that France, with 17,500 requests, had made more demands for changes to search results than any other European nation. Germany had made 16,500 requests, and 12,000 requests originated in the UK. Some 8,000 requests came from Spain, 7,500 from Italy, and 5,500 from the Netherlands. By 18 July, Google had received 91,000 takedown requests in total, relating to 300,000 pages. Its privacy counsel, Peter Fleischer, revealed it had refused around 32% of them, asked for more information on 15%, and removed 53%. And another (past) event here: In May, the European Court of Justice ruled that citizens could ask search engines to remove particular links from results for a search made under their name, if the material was deemed to be out of date, no longer relevant or excessive ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Asking Google to output Wikipedia citation format in Scholar
Does the same apply to other sister projects? It could make sense to make such
request for all...
On Mon, 4 Aug 2014, at 03:14, Andy Mabbett wrote:
Google Scholar search results each have a cite link, which generates
citation text to copy-and-paste in three formats (MLA, APA, Chicago).
Is there someone at Google we can talk to, to get Wikipedia's citation
format included?
For English-language users (or results), the {{Cite journal}} template
is probably most appropriate.
--
Andy Mabbett
@pigsonthewing
http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community RfCs about MediaViewer
Pine, please read what risker said in this thread. It is not about proper paperwork, it is about choosing who to reach and what to communicate to them. Communicate with multimedia team about getting an objective picture and doing the statistics right. This is a broad interesting topic that, as you may see at the rfc talk page, would make use of a structured and free approach with better software (and rather interestingly, potentionally input from users of various sister projects and languages). Gryllida. On Mon, 14 Jul 2014, at 15:40, Pine W wrote: Hi Gryllida, As I said on the Arbcom case page, RfCs result in changes to Wikipedia on a regular basis despite having a small numbers of participants in each RfC, and current English Wikipedia policy does not require a minimum number of participants beyond what is necessary to establish consensus. Furthermore, any assertion that the MV RfC was invalid because of its advertising or because it had too few participants would open up countless RfCs to being challenged for the same reason. I believe that the form of the MediaViewer RfC and participation in it were sufficient to establish a legitimate consensus. I am still thinking through the effects that this situation has on the WMF-community relationship. I'm pretty discouraged, and I know others are too. Pine On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 2:36 AM, Gryllida gryll...@fastmail.fm wrote: Pine and all, Please read here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Media_Viewer/June_2014_RfC#Proposal_to_reach_consistency.2Fagreement_first.2C_before_actioning_this_RfC Gryllida. On Thu, 10 Jul 2014, at 15:03, Pine W wrote: This discussion has closed on English Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Media_Viewer/June_2014_RfC Will WMF deactivate MediaViewer on English Wikipedia per community consensus? Also, as WMF probably knows, Commons is currently having a similar discussion: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Requests_for_comment/Media_Viewer_software_feature Thanks, Pine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interest in a community strategic planning meeting?
Pine, We need more of - decentralized development so that people can write new gadgets and extensions easier like firefox jetpack for example.. Each project needs its own editing and feedback tools that it would happily design on wiki in collaborative fashion - means to encourage more content work from community with less noise and drama I could expect wmf to do the former but the latter is up to us all, you and me... As people replied, please mind that you do not know the situation in other projects and languages - proper feedback or outreach software is needed here and community can shape a spec at least, which the wmf can code or fund through its Ieg grants program. I am sure you could draft the idea and help it evolve, then apply for a grant and hire someone to do it. The brainstorming might be too early, I am yet to see any proper analysis of what the users /really/ need or have trouble with (no, not learning the markup or getting articles or uploads in, unlike the current focuses). We need a lot more information/feedback here than a brainstorming session... Gryllida. On Mon, 14 Jul 2014, at 17:25, Pine W wrote: Hi community members, I'm wondering how many people might be interested in having an IRC meeting regarding the community's relationship to WMF and potentially developing our own strategic plan that would be independent of WMF. In the past few days I've heard some defense of WMF but mainly criticism and pessimism, especially people recalling past hurts and feeling powerless to negotiate with WMF. Perhaps it's time that we in the community create our own strategic plan and develop strategic options. Please note that this would be a long-term planning meeting and we are not likely to make major decisions, but we would start brainstorming and laying some foundations. Topics of possible discussion regarding our relationship with WMF: 1. Strategic options, such as finding alternative organizations to WMF for hosting Wikimedia sites or creating a new hosting organization that is aligned with community values. 2. Activism at the Board and grassroots levels. Topics of possible discussion regarding other strategic issues: 3. Internal reform of the community, such as a fresh look at Wikimedia's founding principles and the Five Pillars, including civility. 4. What we can do as a community about our active editor statistics. I expect this would be an interesting meeting if people are interested in participating, and I hope that we would brainstorm some ideas about how we want to move forward on all of these questions and others if we have time. If there are many participants, which would be *great*, then we may need additional meetings or to move the conversation on-wiki. If you're interested, you can respond on list but feel free to respond to me off-list also. I'm just trying to get a sense of the interest level of the community. I hear a lot of people being upset but what I feel we need to know is how many people would be interested in creating a long-term strategic plan and brainstorming strategic options. Thanks, Pine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community RfCs about MediaViewer
Pine and all, Please read here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Media_Viewer/June_2014_RfC#Proposal_to_reach_consistency.2Fagreement_first.2C_before_actioning_this_RfC Gryllida. On Thu, 10 Jul 2014, at 15:03, Pine W wrote: This discussion has closed on English Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Media_Viewer/June_2014_RfC Will WMF deactivate MediaViewer on English Wikipedia per community consensus? Also, as WMF probably knows, Commons is currently having a similar discussion: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Requests_for_comment/Media_Viewer_software_feature Thanks, Pine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014, at 0:58, Isarra Yos wrote: On 20/04/14 11:50, Liangent wrote: On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote: Amir E. Aharoni, 20/04/2014 08:39: Silly technical remark: Everybody, please stop doing this with parentheses. It breaks in right to left languages. Gary-WMF is just as readable, and doesn't have this problem. Thanks for the attention. Your suggestion works against the built-in assumptions of MediaWiki for disambiguations. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Pipe_trick Then Gary, WMF? Nemo Removing the affiliation from the name itself and adding it as a group would allow the mediawiki to format the name and group in a way that makes sense for the given language. Keep to the parentheses for english and such, do other things for ones where that doesn't work or wouldn't be the norm. -I Removing the affiliation from the name itself could also help to keep a history of past affiliations and address issues raised by Risker earlier. Gryllida. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username
On a second thought, do we want to add an optional affiliation field to the signup form, so the affiliation goes at the end of username in braces? - DGarry (WMF) - Fred (DesignSolutionsInc) - David (MIT) - ... So the signup form would look like this: - | | | [ Username preview in large green font ]| | | | Username: | | ___| | Password: | | ___| | Password 2: | | ___| | Email (optional): | | ___| | Affiliation (optional; if your editing is related to work): | | ___| | | - I.e. - | | | [ Gryllida (FOO) in large green font ]| | | | Username: | | _Gryllida__| | Password: | | ___| | Password 2: | | ___| | Email (optional): | | ___| | Affiliation (optional; if your editing is related to work): | | _FOO___| | | - Gryllida. On Sun, 23 Feb 2014, at 1:25, rupert THURNER wrote: hi, could wmf please extend the mediawiki software in the following way: 1. it should knows groups 2. allow users to store an arbitrary number of groups with their profile 3. allow to select one of the groups joined to an edit when saving 4. add a checkbox COI to an edit, meaning potential conflict of interest 5. display and filter edits marked with COI in a different color in history views 6. display and filter edits done for a group in a different color in history views 7. allow members of a group to receive notifications done on the group page, or when a group is mentioned in an edit/comment/talk page. reason: currently it is quite cumbersome to participate as an organisation. it is quite cumbersome for people as well to detect COI edits. the most prominent examples are employees of the wikimedia foundation, and GLAMs. users tend to create multiple accounts, and try to create company accounts. the main reason for this behaviour are (examples, but of course valid general): * have a feedback page / notification page for the swiss federal archive for other users * make clear that an edit is done private or as wmf employee this then would allow the community to create new policies, e.g. the german community might cease using company accounts, and switch over to this system. this proposal is purely technical. current policies can still be applied if people do not need something else, e.g. wmf employees may continue to use sue gardner (wmf) accounts. what you think? best regards, rupert --- swissGLAMour, http://wikimedia.ch ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanks to the people who made Echo, VisualEditor and Wikidata
With due thanks, I would like to specifically point to these two bugs, as I believe they're changing the style of talking unnecessarily. I would like you to see the potential for fixing these early. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49446 - Notifications: Linking a username in an Edit-Summary should trigger a notification https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30750 - Notify user when username used in an edit summary gry ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal: Transparency for Wikimedia paid volunteers
On Fri, 4 Apr 2014, at 22:14, Fæ wrote: *Definition of paid volunteer:* Paid volunteers are employees, contractors or part time contractors of Wikimedia organizations or other organizations having agreements or partnerships with Wikimedia. The paid volunteer contributes to Wikimedia projects and discussions that influence the content of Wikimedia projects. This includes employees and contractors that may not be paid for their on-project activities, however their employer benefits from the content of the same projects. Dear Fae, If I am a student and write wikipedia articles about commercial software my university uses in my free time, I satisfy this definition. However, I would have no conflict of interest here, as neither I nor my university gets paid for the new information I would write. I think that in such situation, I can silently do my things within interest of satisfying Wikimedia mission of free knowledge. You should not require anything of me. I would like you to re-think your definitions here. Related: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Terms_of_use/Paid_contributions_amendment/Archives/2014-03-07#What_to_ask_to_disclose:_paid_contributions_or_COI.3F Gryllida. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Katherine Maher joins the Wikimedia Foundation as Chief Communications Officer
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Our next strategy plan-Paid editing
On Wed, 26 Mar 2014, at 3:06, Anders Wennersten wrote: The discussion on the proposed amendment is now closed [1) I don't see my edit in the final archived version. Namely, the What to ask to disclose: paid contributions or COI? section I created. Link provided. I hope someone here can provide insight on where it's gone. https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Terms_of_use/Paid_contributions_amendmentdiff=prevoldid=7694857#What_to_ask_to_disclose:_paid_contributions_or_COI.3F ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] is Wikiquote in decline or just stagnant
Hi John, Thanks for these details... On Wed, 26 Mar 2014, at 13:19, John Mark Vandenberg wrote: See the graphs for 5+ editors here: http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikibooks/EN/ChartsWikipediaZZ.htm http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikiquote/EN/ChartsWikipediaZZ.htm http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikinews/EN/ChartsWikipediaZZ.htm I find it humorous that this page says number of Wikipedians for some other language editions. It is wikinews that Careful about wording there. English Wikinews. Other language editions are different. has been loosing contributors since mid 2008, and And obtaining too -- the stats show the sum of those who joined and those who left I believe. new articles per day has dropped since late 2010. That's around when they introduced the peer review. (Again, just the English version.) Wikibooks contributor count fluctuates a lot. Wikiquote is fairly static, but using a constant number of contributors to justify 'stagnant' isnt accurate. The content metrics of Wikiquote indicate it is still growing, at a fairly constant rate. Right; I'm personally quite disliking these statistics, as the software has no means implemented to merge edits, such as when I make a typo. I keep struggling to find means to reduce the edit count to make things easier for others to track. Gryllida. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] More new editors?
At risk of not quite answering the question: To keep our editors properly, we should make the software sufficiently reasonable and flexibly to automate routine work people encounter... I couldn't get started at Wiktionary or Wikibooks easily due to my lack of linguistic or librarian background, and lack of tools to make elementary edits within such project scope — tools anyone can edit, using a standardized flexible framework, unlike the existing 'gadgets' which are so easy to break and difficult to write in a way which is easy to maintain, and share so little code. On Fri, 7 Mar 2014, at 19:35, Charles Andrès wrote: TLDR:transform the thank you campaign after the fundraising in a Thank you campaign: became an editor Following a really nice discussion of the swiss mailing list, I had a look in the statistics here: http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediansEditsGt5.htm First, as unfortunately expected I notice the decrease between january 2013 and 2014, but in the second time I've been surprised by the increase in january 2014 comparing to december 2013. I first thought the large press coverage of the decline of Wikipedia had an effect to motivate new editors, but when looking to these charts http://reportcard.wmflabs.org/graphs/new_editors I notice that every winter we have these increase of editors , most probably due to the fundraising campaign. But unfortunately, like for Wiki Loves Monuments effect, this increase of new editors during a month is not enough to invert the tendency http://reportcard.wmflabs.org/graphs/active_editors It has been discussed several time in the past, but I guess we should do it again, how can we turned the fundraising campaign in a massive outreach campaign? I have two leads, the easy one and the complex one :-) The easy one would be to add to the thank you message an invitation to join/meet/take information about users-group, thematic organisation or chapters. This move may help to improve the retention by a face to face approach. The complex one would be to develop a system to invite people to contribute in specific article. The main point would be to transform the thank you campaign in a Thank you campaign: became an editor The idea is to display a banner inviting the reader to edit wikipedia. the concept is the following: identify the categories of the page currently displayed select three articles in these categories with a template “expand” or similar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Empty_section http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Expand_section http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le:Section_vide_ou_incompl%C3%A8te displayed a message like: You can also help Wikipedia by expanding an article, here are three articles that need your help, if you want to know how you can help, click on the topic you like : article from category one article from category two article from category three (or random category) after the reader click on the article, send him to the section to expand: in edit mode, with a banner explaining the basics of editing or with visual editor displaying a banner explaining this mode after publication of the article, a thank you banner, explaining how to register, with a link to the create an account page I start a page on meta to see if this idea can be discuss/expand/improved/deployed https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CH/outreach_fundraising_campaign Thanks for your comment or your help, you can also took my idea , change it totally and turn it in something doable! :-D Charles ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] paid editing TOU amendment: disclose paid editing or coi?
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Terms_of_use/Paid_contributions_amendment#What_to_ask_to_disclose:_paid_contributions_or_COI.3F Please participate in this discussion and help produce a well-readable revision, if such change is necessary. Thanks! ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia-l archives
Did that reflect on gmane? On Tue, 25 Feb 2014, at 10:48, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: The archives were rebuilt (and then restored up to January) under request of a user who shared private information in February. Old links are not broken and you can normally access the specific volumes: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2014-February/thread.html Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] extend mediawiki software to allow append a group, and COI to an edit
No, I mean, that's what article talk page is for. It's close to useless to get a contributor admit COI by ticking a box. 1) He won't do it. 2) It's much better to add a box to ?action=edit, when a page is created, asking the contributor to type something in manually (what motivated you to create article? please disclose conflict of interest and affiliations to help us help you.). Stop adding complexity, bureaucracy and terms. The learning curve is full enough of paperwork, terms, badges, and reviewing as is. On Sun, 23 Feb 2014, at 16:47, Gerard Meijssen wrote: Hoi, Why ? Thanks. GerardM On 22 February 2014 21:13, Gryllida gryll...@fastmail.fm wrote: I do mind 5 and 6, since their submissions would be deleted aggressively. I feel that you may introduce a marker if you want, but not a separate queue. On Sun, 23 Feb 2014, at 2:25, rupert THURNER wrote: hi, could wmf please extend the mediawiki software in the following way: 1. it should knows groups 2. allow users to store an arbitrary number of groups with their profile 3. allow to select one of the groups joined to an edit when saving 4. add a checkbox COI to an edit, meaning potential conflict of interest 5. display and filter edits marked with COI in a different color in history views 6. display and filter edits done for a group in a different color in history views 7. allow members of a group to receive notifications done on the group page, or when a group is mentioned in an edit/comment/talk page. reason: currently it is quite cumbersome to participate as an organisation. it is quite cumbersome for people as well to detect COI edits. the most prominent examples are employees of the wikimedia foundation, and GLAMs. users tend to create multiple accounts, and try to create company accounts. the main reason for this behaviour are (examples, but of course valid general): * have a feedback page / notification page for the swiss federal archive for other users * make clear that an edit is done private or as wmf employee this then would allow the community to create new policies, e.g. the german community might cease using company accounts, and switch over to this system. this proposal is purely technical. current policies can still be applied if people do not need something else, e.g. wmf employees may continue to use sue gardner (wmf) accounts. what you think? best regards, rupert --- swissGLAMour, http://wikimedia.ch ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] extend mediawiki software to allow append a group, and COI to an edit
I do mind 5 and 6, since their submissions would be deleted aggressively. I feel that you may introduce a marker if you want, but not a separate queue. On Sun, 23 Feb 2014, at 2:25, rupert THURNER wrote: hi, could wmf please extend the mediawiki software in the following way: 1. it should knows groups 2. allow users to store an arbitrary number of groups with their profile 3. allow to select one of the groups joined to an edit when saving 4. add a checkbox COI to an edit, meaning potential conflict of interest 5. display and filter edits marked with COI in a different color in history views 6. display and filter edits done for a group in a different color in history views 7. allow members of a group to receive notifications done on the group page, or when a group is mentioned in an edit/comment/talk page. reason: currently it is quite cumbersome to participate as an organisation. it is quite cumbersome for people as well to detect COI edits. the most prominent examples are employees of the wikimedia foundation, and GLAMs. users tend to create multiple accounts, and try to create company accounts. the main reason for this behaviour are (examples, but of course valid general): * have a feedback page / notification page for the swiss federal archive for other users * make clear that an edit is done private or as wmf employee this then would allow the community to create new policies, e.g. the german community might cease using company accounts, and switch over to this system. this proposal is purely technical. current policies can still be applied if people do not need something else, e.g. wmf employees may continue to use sue gardner (wmf) accounts. what you think? best regards, rupert --- swissGLAMour, http://wikimedia.ch ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] online survey invitation
zhuangziyun Mon, 10 Feb 2014 08:24:14 Link: http://www.surveygizmo.com/s3/1538439/Wikipedia-Survey-Personality it is not mobile friendly I need about 200 respondents a rather small sample, hopefully you get much more! ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] RFC: UploadWizard — scale to sister projects
Hi all, Apologies for cross-posting; please read and share thoughts: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/UploadWizard:_scale_to_sister_projects Gryllida ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Welcome 3 employees of Wikimedia Norway
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Relationship between Wikimedia and oDesk
Thought paid editing is prohibited. It could be nice to find ways to enforce that. On Wed, 8 Jan 2014, at 21:50, Gerard Meijssen wrote: Hoi, Odesk is the way the WMF pays people who do not live in the USA. What is expected of a contractor or employee is to register the time worked for the WMF and the contractor is paid through Odesk. This has all kinds of legal reasons. When an employee / contractor wants to use Odesk in addition to work done for the WMF, they can as long as the contract with WMF does not require exclusivity. Typically people working through Odesk work in the area of software development. Thanks, Gerard On 8 January 2014 09:04, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: I have not used it but would like to know more. If WMF employees/contractors are free to sell their services as paid Wikipedia editors on oDesk, I think that a how-to-sell-your-services guide would be helpful so that active unpaid volunteers who are not employees know how to go get some money from their hobby. To date, I have never be paid for my volunteer work, neither have I been an employee of the WMF or a Chapter, but my activities as an active batch uploader and bot-writer for Commons might be fungible and if so, I would like to sell my services ethically and openly. Fae On 8 January 2014 07:30, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Hi. Can anyone explain the relationship between Wikimedia and oDesk? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/oDesk As I understand it, the Wikimedia Foundation uses oDesk with contractors to track their hours. (Right?) But it also appears to be a job board of some kind. It seems like a hybrid of LinkedIn and Craigslist, though I haven't looked carefully and I'm still lightly poking around. It seems like the kind of place where you can post Wikipedia paid editing services. If this is part of oDesk, does anyone know roughly how many people offer or buy these services? Regarding paid editing, Jimmy reiterated his stance on his talk page saying I very very strongly condemn such editing, and this is no exception and expressing his usual principled objections to such things in the strongest possible terms. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Permalink/589723131 I think the underlying issue deserves a discussion, apart from particular examples. MZMcBride ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- fae...@gmail.com http://j.mp/faewm Personal and confidential, please do not circulate or re-quote. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] input.wikimedia.org?
On Fri, 22 Nov 2013, at 20:07, Erik Moeller wrote: I should also note that input.mozilla.org inspired MoodBar/the Feedback Dashboard extension (we actually met with the PM of the project several times before kicking off work on MoodBar/Feedback Dashboard), which can be used to collect feedback from users. We used it for collecting new user feedback on enwiki for some time, as well as enabling experienced users to respond to such feedback. You can still see it in use on nlwiki: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciaal:DashboardTerugkoppeling This looks nice but it is per-wiki. I would perhaps look for -- in addition, not to replace -- a more features-centric system, e.g. feedback from all languages of all wikis. When talking to a contributor today, I realised that he thinks his feedback about Flow wasn't acknowledged. Likely he sent it to wrong place due to lack of a standard centralized system. Gryllida ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Closure of Community Logo Consultation
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Which Wikipedias have had large scale bot creation of articles this year?
On Tue, 26 Nov 2013, at 8:50, Steven Walling wrote: Hi all, My team is doing some background research in to Wikipedia article creation right now.[1] One question I'd like answer is which Wikipedias are currently (i.e. this year) running bots to create many articles. Hopefully your research does not conclude this is a good idea; I had been contacted to create such bots multiple times in the past. I had declined such queries, as the need in automating this means inefficiency in manual content creation. Such inefficiency should be addressed directly instead, in the wiki software. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] input.wikimedia.org?
On Fri, 22 Nov 2013, at 19:18, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: 2. We'll have to see whether there are volunteers who are willing to track it and reply to the queries. As far as I am aware there is no responsibility for WMF staff or volunteers to reply; they may if they want to, but that's not required. 3. There is a similar - though not identical - tool in the MediaWiki universe - ArticleFeedback. It's acceptance is quite slow. That's only about articles. Hi, I read this, you have my feedback. The input tool could be more wide, including issues contributors have with the atmosphere and software. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] : WMF resolution on neutral point of view
On Sat, 5 Oct 2013, at 18:47, Fred Bauder wrote: I've been thinking about this. Wikipedia is a compilation of information from sources that are generally considered reliable. The trouble is that the information in those sources varies. Rather than deciding ourselves, after all most of us are amateurs, what the truth is, we present all the views in reliable sources without trying to decide which is right or even better, although there may be sourced information which does do that which can be included. Fred This is simply false. If a third source says that one of two reliable sources is wrong or simply worse, the third source is not ignored. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia France] Welcome to Nathalie, our new ED
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