[Wikimedia-l] Re: Google not indexing Wikisource for last few years now.
Hi everyone, Thanks for surfacing this discussion. I want to share some broader context from the WMF side as the person who manages our partnership with Google <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_Wikimedia_Foundation_and_Google_Partnership>. Hopefully it will provide clarity on how we do (and do not) work with them. I've written more info specific to this situation below, but the tl;dr is that our partnership does not aim to make Wikipedia or other Wikimedia content the top search result on Google's products - that decision is wholly made by Google. The aim of our partnership is to work with Google to identify and implement ways they can better support Wikimedia communities, increase content creation, and help connect people with knowledge globally. As mentioned previously in this thread <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T325607>, this particular situation seemingly needs to be resolved on our platform, not on Google's. That said, we (WMF's Partnerships team) have explained the importance of this issue to Google, and their Indexing team is going to do some analysis to provide us with any insights they are allowed to share about what the specific issues may be. We've surfaced this not just with regards to Wikisource, but with past scenarios where Wikimedians have flagged similar issues with some language Wikipedia projects. WMF does not decide what Google indexes or where Wikimedia content ranks in Google Search, nor does Google disclose specific details about how the results are chosen beyond what is publicly available <https://developers.google.com/search?card=developer>. This is to maintain neutrality and not privilege any partners or sites over others. We will continue working with Google to put together as much information as possible to inform the path forward, while also underscoring the importance of Wikisource and its visibility. We also encourage the Sister Projects Taskforce <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Committee/Sister_Projects_Task_Force> to continue flagging this and other issues where we can find ways to collaborate in our goal of supporting all of the Wikimedia projects. Feel free to reach out to me or partnersh...@wikimedia.org if you have questions about any of this. Nicholas Perry On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 2:04 PM wrote: > Send Wikimedia-l mailing list submissions to > wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe, please visit > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikimedia-l.lists.wikimedia.org/ > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wikimedia-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wikimedia-l digest..." > > Today's Topics: > >1. Re: Who is the editor with the longest editing streak? Find out! > (Yaroslav Blanter) >2. Re: Who is the editor with the longest editing streak? Find out! > (Gnangarra) >3. Re: Who is the editor with the longest editing streak? Find out! > (Gnangarra) >4. New Board Amical Wikimedia (Núria Ribas Valls) >5. Re: Google not indexing Wikisource for last few years now. > (Dušan Kreheľ) >6. Re: Google not indexing Wikisource for last few years now. > (Lauren Worden) >7. Re: Google not indexing Wikisource for last few years now. > (Amir Sarabadani) >8. A new Signpost issue is out ... (Andreas Kolbe) >9. You are invited to the conversation hour with Community Resilience > and Sustainability > (Jackie Koerner) > 10. Submit your proposal for GLAM Wiki Conference 2023 (Evelin Heidel) > 11. Re: Google not indexing Wikisource for last few years now. > (Sohom Datta) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2023 16:09:58 +0200 > From: Yaroslav Blanter > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Who is the editor with the longest editing > streak? Find out! > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > Message-ID: > t81osgborpmrwlppedw8sj...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="d65f0a0601dd1a47" > > Indeed I believe my last break of an edit streak was when I was on a plane > / connection without wifi for more than 24h (going from Europe to Japan). I > normally edit every day since I have joined (15-ish years now), but I am > not so much addicted to edit-count so that I would plan my travel taking > this into account or pay for the internet during the flight when I do not > need it otherwise. Still, nice to have these streaks having been > acknowledged sometimes. > > Best > Yaroslav > > On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 12:19 PM Peter S
[Wikimedia-l] Re: Is GoogleTV violating Wikipedia's license?
Hi Xavier, The Google team previously followed up with me to say they believe attribution should now be working in all languages on Google TV including Catalan, and they provided some images of the attribution. If you are still seeing this issue would you mind sharing the names of the pages you're looking at so I can give specific examples to their team to look into? If you have any screenshots or photos of the pages that are missing attribution that would be helpful as well. Thank you, Nicholas On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 8:28 PM F. Xavier Dengra i Grau < xavier.den...@protonmail.com> wrote: > Hi Nicholas, > > Which was the outcome of the meeting with Google regarding the misuse of > Wikipedia content by Google TV? > > After almost three months, I’ve seen no change (citation and/or link > addition to the article) on the summary of the movie. However, since > quite recently they link all titles with their respective Rotten Tomatoes > critics at the bottom of the page. > > I think we should clearly not give up on this. > > Kind regards, > > Xavier Dengra > > > El dt, 30 ag., 2022 a 15:41, Nicholas Perry va > escriure: > > As others mentioned in the thread, WMF can't enforce this directly as it > is not the copyright holder. However, in past instances, we have raised the > issue with Google (similar to the KPN example) and will do so for this one > as well. > > I am meeting with Google later today and will flag this to remind them of > the copyright obligations that come with using this text. > > Thanks for surfacing this, > > Nicholas > > > On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 12:58 PM > wrote: > >> Send Wikimedia-l mailing list submissions to >> wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe, please visit >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikimedia-l.lists.wikimedia.org/ >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> wikimedia-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Wikimedia-l digest..." >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Is GoogleTV violating Wikipedia's license? (Peter Southwood) >> 2. Re: Is GoogleTV violating Wikipedia's license? (Ciell Wikipedia) >> 3. Re: [Small Wiki Toolkit] Writing Wikidata Queries Using WDQS Tool >> Workshop On Tuesday, August 30th, 16:00 UTC >> (Seyram Komla Sapaty) >> >> >> -- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 11:18:53 +0200 >> From: "Peter Southwood" >> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Is GoogleTV violating Wikipedia's license? >> To: "'F. Xavier Dengra i Grau'" , >> "'Wikimedia Mailing List'" >> Message-ID: <002201d8bc51$8963c6a0$9c2b53e0$@telkomsa.net> >> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; >> boundary="=_NextPart_000_0023_01D8BC62.4CF06730" >> >> If I understand the CC-by-sa licence correctly, Wikipedia and WMF >> themselves do not own the copyright, it is owned by the contributors who >> created the text. They can take this up with Google, the WMF cannot. If you >> are one of those contributors you can approach Google as misusing your >> copyright. >> >> Cheers, Peter >> >> >> >> From: F. Xavier Dengra i Grau via Wikimedia-l [mailto: >> wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org] >> Sent: 29 August 2022 19:00 >> To: Wikimedia Mailing List; le...@wikimedia.org >> Cc: F. Xavier Dengra i Grau >> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Is GoogleTV violating Wikipedia's license? >> >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> I want to bring a legal concern here on Google's misuse of our content. >> It came up today < >> https://twitter.com/epineda/status/1564143156702199813?s=20&t=z2xu6PMB29vvkpNB79p2iQ> >> on Twitter that the GoogleTV app had linked a movie description text in >> Catalan language (which in principle it should be good news regarding >> language normalization). However, shortly after a wikipedian colleague >> realised that the text was fully taken by the Catalan Wikipedia. Once I >> downloaded the app by myself, I double-checked that Google does not specify >> anywhere (or at least that I could find minimally visible) that those lines >> belong to Wikipedia: neither the origin, the license, nor a link to the >> full article or to the CC license. >> >> >> >> I'd like to recall the licensing footpage on Wikipedia (Text is available >> und
[Wikimedia-l] Re: Is GoogleTV violating Wikipedia's license?
: text/html > Size: 4942 bytes > Desc: not available > > -- > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 10:57:26 + > From: Seyram Komla Sapaty > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: [Small Wiki Toolkit] Writing Wikidata > Queries Using WDQS Tool Workshop On Tuesday, August 30th, 16:00 UTC > To: Wikitech-l ,Wikimedia > Mailing List , Wikimedia > Cloud > Services general discussion and support > > Message-ID: > gufhmf4q7qvuv82mjkcebpet1lkp-bknvxofw...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="f29ab705e7734042" > > Hello everyone, > > This is a friendly reminder that the workshop > < > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Small_wiki_toolkits/Workshops#Writing_Wikidata_queries_using_the_WDQS_tool > > > starts in ~5 hours time (UTC 16:00). > > Correction: > The previous message pointed to the wrong etherpad doc. > The correct link is here > <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/swt-wikidata-queries>. > The description should have also read: > *"This workshop will cover aspects of using the Wikidata Query Service, > with some discussion of ways in which Wikipedias can take advantage of its > capabilities for their own improvement."* > > See you soon! > > > > > On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 5:47 PM Seyram Komla Sapaty > > wrote: > > > Hello everyone, > > > > The seventh workshop on the topic of "Writing Wikidata queries using the > > WDQS tool" is coming up - it will take place on Tuesday, August 30th at > > 16:00 UTC. > > You can find more details on the workshop and a link to join here > > < > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Small_wiki_toolkits/Workshops#Writing_Wikidata_queries_using_the_WDQS_tool > > > > [1]. > > > > This session will focus on how to access and save information to > Wikidata, > > including through page generators and queries++, using pywikibot. > > It will also cover the Wikidata conventions about bot-editing, including > > the bot approvals process. > > > > To participate in this workshop, you would need basic familiarity with > > Wikidata and Pywikibot installation. > > You can add your discussion ideas on the etherpad doc > > <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/swt-wikidata-pywikibot-scripts>.[2] > > > > We look forward to your participation! > > > > [1]: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Small_wiki_toolkits/Workshops#Writing_Wikidata_queries_using_the_WDQS_tool > > [2]: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/swt-wikidata-pywikibot-scripts > > > > Thanks. > > > > -- > > Seyram Komla Sapaty > > Developer Advocate > > Wikimedia Cloud Services > > > -- next part -- > A message part incompatible with plain text digests has been removed ... > Name: not available > Type: text/html > Size: 2700 bytes > Desc: not available > > -- > > Subject: Digest Footer > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > > > -- > > End of Wikimedia-l Digest, Vol 583, Issue 1 > *** > -- Nicholas Perry Strategic Partnerships Wikimedia Foundation E: npe...@wikimedia.org M: +385 99 380 8015 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/M5AFLZHEN2UZS3ESKHEZR2NLWFBYTMPE/ To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
