Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost

[Steffen Prößdorf]

Am 04.10.2015 um 20:06 schrieb Ilario Valdelli:

On 04.10.2015 19:48, Pavel Richter wrote:

2015-10-04 17:42 GMT+02:00 Florence Devouard :


Le 04/10/15 16:15, Theo10011 a écrit :
Now, beside head rolling... (uh, ouch :)) what do you suggest to fix
that ?



So, what happened? The Wikimania committee came to the conclusion
that the
current process to select the next Wikimania host is broken (and I think
the committee was right about that). So something needed to happen - and
the committee did something that we
​see ​
not often enough in Wikimedia-land: *they made a decision*.


This is good.

But I think that the main point to fix is that a decision is valid as
soon it is communicated.

At the moment it does not seem that the local communities were
informed in order to know that the process was broken.

Kind regards



This fits in quite a number of decisions. Better no one can say that 
Wikimania isn't a community event anymore, but a Foundation event 
instead of.


Why asking anyone else?

Fuck the community, who cares?


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost

[Steffen Prößdorf]

It would be a step called professionalisation, too, if the WMF would use 
the amount of money they collected and still collecting and pay for 
writers and content. For sure it would be more professional. But it 
would not be the Wikipedia project thousands of volunteers work for anymore.


And that's the same point I see for Wikimania.

Steffen


Am 05.10.2015 um 17:03 schrieb Balázs Viczián:

As long as the "cabal" who "took full control" of Wikimania is capable of
fully organizing it (or able to set up an organizing team anywhere in the
world), I think this is nothing else but a step called: professionalisation.

Actually if it works well, it can bring this event to regions and places
where otherwise it could not be made (i.e. lack of or insufficient or
unreliable local volunteer manpower / no local org / whatever ) reducing
the location problem only to logistics, thus widening the possibilities
greatly.

I would love to see a fix event organizer team, let it be volunteer based
(like the CEE meeting, which was a success) or paid staff (like WMDE has).

Balázs

2015-10-05 15:53 GMT+02:00 Steffen Prößdorf <w...@stepro.de>:


Am 04.10.2015 um 20:06 schrieb Ilario Valdelli:


On 04.10.2015 19:48, Pavel Richter wrote:


2015-10-04 17:42 GMT+02:00 Florence Devouard <anthe...@yahoo.com>:

Le 04/10/15 16:15, Theo10011 a écrit :

Now, beside head rolling... (uh, ouch :)) what do you suggest to fix
that ?



So, what happened? The Wikimania committee came to the conclusion
that the
current process to select the next Wikimania host is broken (and I think
the committee was right about that). So something needed to happen - and
the committee did something that we
​see ​
not often enough in Wikimedia-land: *they made a decision*.


This is good.

But I think that the main point to fix is that a decision is valid as
soon it is communicated.

At the moment it does not seem that the local communities were
informed in order to know that the process was broken.

Kind regards



This fits in quite a number of decisions. Better no one can say that
Wikimania isn't a community event anymore, but a Foundation event instead
of.

Why asking anyone else?

Fuck the community, who cares?



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lets delete everything from commons (was The tragedy of Commons)

[Steffen Prößdorf]

2014-06-22 18:10 GMT+02:00 Itzik Edri it...@infra.co.il:

 I'm saying that in *my personal opinion* as Wikimedians, and not I'm
 representing WMIL (which will continue FULLY to support the efforts on this
 issue) or any other official role i'm holding: but to be honest, as the
 situation looks right now in the commons - I don't think the government of
 Israel, or any other government need to behave according to the commons
 admins and their personal actions and opinions. From the government point
 of view - the photos are available online, they are free, they are no
 longer under copyright and they welcome everyone to uses it. Many people
 are already using the photos on websites, Flickrs accounts and others
 photos services - if the commons want to write his one rules
 and interpretations, even when the WMF BOT and the WMF legal staff don't
 fully support their steps - this is the commons and the movement problem to
 handle - not the government that have many others issues to handle, as this
 is not easy to reach and implement decision - and it rellevent to
 every government in the world. They are not working for us.


I am absolutely agree with that (also as my personal opinion).

The government allows the very free use of it, the WMF legal staff and the
BOT don't think the URAA should be used to delete photos on Commons without
office action, but the Commons admins do so. This is a big frustration for
all who spend stuff to Commons and their work and time for our projects.

Steffen
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[Wikimedia-l] The aim of the movement

[Steffen Prößdorf]

Hi Gerard,

thanks for pointing this out. This is just the question I mentioned on my
blogpost.

You say the main thing is to share in the sum of all knowledge, no matter
how.
I say the main thing is to support the communities doing this. These are
the opposite opinions I mentioned - and we should discuss this in a very
wide way.

And that's why I cited the mission of the foundation in my blogpost, with
the first sentence *Our mission is to empower a global volunteer community
to collect and develop the world's knowledge and to make it available to
everyone for free, for any purpose.*
Empower the community is stated there as the main thing, and not share in
the sum of all knowledge.

That's why I think this question is not answered yet, and I want to find an
answer for WMDE at least.

Best,
Steffen




2014-04-08 8:22 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com:

 Hoi,
 Take one step back. What our aim is, is to share in the sum of all
 knowledge. Arguably, this is the main and overriding objective of what we
 do. There are many strategies to get to the point where we share
 information. From where I stand, with Wikidata we have the opportunity to
 do better than with an only Wikipedia strategy: with Wikipedia we share the
 sum of knowledge that is available in one Wikipedia and with Wikidata we
 share in the sum of all the knowledge that is available to us.

 Wikidata provides access to more information than any Wikipedia by a large
 margin.

 There are those in our communities who aim to restrict the practices that
 realise Wikidata as the resource of information that is available to us. To
 say it in a political correct way, they can be and should be ignored. There
 are organisations that want to share information with us under a CC-0
 license and there are those who want to share information under a CC-by
 license. The later can and should be ignored as well.

 However, when I am to argue these points in a private setting, I will say
 that they can screw themselves. It is to make the point forcefully, it is
 to hammer on the fact that our objective is not the community but the
 sharing of knowledge. Yes, the community is important but that is the
 extend of it. When we can gain authoritative information provided by a
 GLAM, we should not consider the fact that we can enter all that
 information by hand. Those who want to add statements by hand can do so but
 they should not force their behaviour and attitudes on others.
 Thanks,
   GerardM


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fuck the community, who cares

[Steffen Prößdorf]

Hi Folks,

please do not pick out that single point and overestimate it.
I have not mentioned this to dupe anyone, but only to illustrate the
conflict of alignment or the objective of the chapters. The opposing
opinions are represented by several Wikimedians on both sides, please do
not harp on this single quote.

Thanks,
Steffen


2014-04-07 12:33 GMT+02:00 Fæ fae...@gmail.com:

  If that is indeed the case, the comment to fuck the community would fit
  quite well in the divisions that /some/ people are alleging exist.
  Tomasz

 Could whoever is being quoted as saying this please come forward
 publicly and explain what they meant?

 If this was anything more than a bad joke, then I would expect someone
 who made views like this, while representing our community of
 volunteers to be asked by their Board to resign their elected or
 appointed position. I urge those who were at the meeting, to
 demonstrate appropriate community leadership and encourage the person
 they know to have expressed this viewpoint to come forward and explain
 themselves in their own words.

 Fae
 --
 fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fuck the community, who cares

[Steffen Prößdorf]

Dear all,

I beg your pardon, that I have quoted this statement in my blog.
As mentioned before, I had never intended to condemn anyone or even expose.

It served me merely to illustrate the various points of view. The fact that
this statement was highly exaggerated and was expressed in a moment of
excitement, should be clear for each by now.

Relating to the terms of the previously agreed-upon rules for this
workshop *(You
are OK to use and share the knowledge you gain, but not to make
confidential details public. So you can say afterwards I know a chapter
had X problem and this is what they did and it did/didn't work. But it
would not be OK to post on an email list afterwards I heard Wikimedia XX
had a treasurer called Joe Bloggs who stole all their money - what a bunch
of idiots.)* [1] I thought it was OK this way. I suppose I should have
been even more carefully.

Regards,
Steffen

[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Boards_training_workshop_March_2014/Information#Expectations


2014-04-07 16:52 GMT+02:00 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com:

 Craig Franklin, 07/04/2014 13:16:

  I really have to wonder, do we want a community where the leaders have to
 be so anodyne, colourless, and always on message that the occasional
 spirited remark results in the Spanish Inquisition?


 Dunno, but... reminds me of a certain recent event at Mozilla.
 https://brionv.com/log/2014/04/05/people-should-be-allowed-to-be-wrong/

 Nemo


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community consultation + Wikimedia Foundation Executive Director selection process

[Steffen Prößdorf]

I absolut agree with all Erik said.

Steffen


2014-01-30 Erik Zachte ezac...@wikimedia.org:

 I find it kind of sad to see how this thread after Ting reopened it
 (surely after careful consideration) morphed into frivolity. So let me say
 I deeply respect Ting's choice to reapply, and to do so, very on-topic, in
 the open. That takes courage. I personally think Ting would be a great CEO.
 It is not our call but I wish the committee all wisdom.

 Erik Zachte

 [..]
  Could the WMF strategy extend to creating a Death Star to preserve all
  of human knowledge?


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

[Steffen Prößdorf]

Hi there,

2013/7/15 Melanie Brown mbr...@wikimedia.org

 Hello Everyone,

 As for the insights on staff photos, thank you for your feedback. Yes, we
 are in the process of creating some more consistency in our staff photos
 for the Wikimedia Foundation



Absolutely, more consistency is important.
I think everyone has to have the same tattoo as Juliana to be allowed to
work for WMF.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WIKIPEDIA-Tattoo.JPG

Happy inking,
Steffen

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