Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disabe Media Viewer for non-logged-in users and logged-in users on Wikimedia Commons

[reachout2isaac]

While this might be a valid request, I'm a bit concern about the % of the 
participants in the RFC. I don't think it's a good idea for this % of 
participant to make a binding decision for an entirely disjoint community many 
hundred if not thousand times it size with neither participation nor even 
consultation. This seem like a Kangaroo RFC to me. Consult the larger 
community, reach a consensus then return here for implementation.

Best,

Olatunde Isaac.
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On 16-03-14 10:33 AM, Steinsplitter Wiki wrote:
> Per commons Policy's the RFC is valid.

Then the policy is broken.  It seems more than a little insane to me
that an opinion poll having had participation of a few % of a small
community (active commons users) can make a binding decision for an
entirely disjoint community many hundred times it size with neither
participation nor even consultation.

At the very least, the opinion of logged out users should be sought or
at least vaguely estimated in some manner (I can think of several easy
client-side ways of doing a quick opinion poll of at least a sample of
them; or a couple of metrics giving hints).

That RfC is akin to asking the print newspaper owners about making new
rules for all web sites.  While I've no doubt that their collective
opinions would be very good for them, I'd like something a bit more
objective.  :-)

-- Coren / Marc


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimania-l] Community Village and Meetups at Wikimania 2016

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Hi Ginevra,

No scholarship was awarded to any member of the Wikimedia User Group Nigeria. 
This is worrisome as Nigeria will not be represented at Wikimania. I don't 
think this is a good idea and I wonder why American and European countries have 
more representative than Africa. This is demoralizing and the community is not 
happy about it. 

Warmest regards,

Olatunde Isaac,
Manager, Wikipedia Education Program Nigeria
Coordinator, The Wikipedia Library, Yoruba.
Secretary, Wikimedia User Group Nigeria.
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Subject: [Wikimania-l] Community Village and Meetups at Wikimania 2016

Hi people,
it's finally time to send your applications for the Community Village at
Wikimania 2016:

https://wikimania2016.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_village

And you can also start planning your meetups:

https://wikimania2016.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetups

Finally, remember that the calls for discussions, posters and trainings
closes on March 20, so you have 10 days left!

Have a nice weekend,


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimania-l] Community Village and Meetups at Wikimania 2016

[reachout2isaac]

Hi Ginevra,

No scholarship was awarded to any member of the Wikimedia User Group Nigeria. 
This is worrisome as Nigeria will not be represented at Wikimania. I don't 
think this is a good idea and I wonder why American and European countries have 
more representative than Africa. This is demoralizing and the community is not 
happy about it. 

Warmest regards,

Olatunde Isaac,
Manager, Wikipedia Education Program Nigeria
Coordinator, The Wikipedia Library, Yoruba.
Secretary, Wikimedia User Group Nigeria.
Phone: +2348166620737 
Email: reachout2is...@gmail.com 
User page: Wikicology 
Facebook: Olatunde Olalekan Isaac.
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Subject: [Wikimania-l] Community Village and Meetups at Wikimania 2016

Hi people,
it's finally time to send your applications for the Community Village at
Wikimania 2016:

https://wikimania2016.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_village

And you can also start planning your meetups:

https://wikimania2016.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetups

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The reinstatement of James Heilman (Olatunde Isaac)

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Personally, i'm not sure if James would like to be reinstated but I think the 
involuntarily removal of a community elected member without community 
consultation is barbaric and unethical. However. In my perception, I believe 
Maria Sefidari's appointment is "interim", perhaps for a fresh election to be 
conducted. However the BoT should clarify her status. She's a good candidate to 
me, if she would like to run for a proper election.

Best,

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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2016 22:09:00 +1000
From: Craig Franklin 
To: Fæ 
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Patricio's email on the topic makes it quite clear that María was appointed
to the seat vacated by James Heilman:

https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2016-January/081540.html

And, as we are all aware, James was himself appointed as the result of an
election.  Unless the relevant authorities in Florida have overturned
María's appointment and I have not heard about it, she is sitting in the
seat formerly occupied by James.

I don't disagree that it would be a good thing to have a formally agreed
procedure on how to handle vacancies that might arise in these
community-selected seats, but that doesn't change the reality that we must
deal with here and now.

Cheers,
Craig

On 27 February 2016 at 21:47, Fæ  wrote:

> On 27 February 2016 at 11:33, Craig Franklin 
> wrote:
> > While it's nice to think that everyone might be able to kiss and make up,
> > the trustees (particularly Jimmy) and James have been mauling each other
> > politely in public for the best part of two months.  I don't think it's
> > realistic to expect that everything can just go back to the way it was,
> and
> > expect that the BoT would function properly again with James back in
> > place.  Keeping in mind his former position as a community selected
> trustee
> > has already been filled with Maria Sefidari, at any rate.
>
> Correction: Maria Sefidari was a "candidate for community selection",
> she was not selected by the community but appointed using an post
> election invented procedure for political convenience. If Maria wishes
> to become a community selected board member she would need to *win an
> election*, until that time she is in reality an appointed member.
>
> I hope that Maria will run for a proper election at the earliest
> opportunity. She was a good candidate and would be a better
> representative if correctly elected.
>
> Fae
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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2016 05:16:08 -0700
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It may be that at this point, reinstating James would not be a terribly
feasible idea, even if it is a nice thought. And, well, it's a volunteer
position. I wouldn't blame him at all if he's no longer even willing to
serve in that role.

I think, however, that the suggestions that have been put forth for a
neutral outside review of the situation are long overdue. And the Board
also needs to seriously reconsider what was (not) communicated when the
situation occurred. Essentially, we got a load of say-nothing PR garbage,
not a frank and thorough explanation, of why 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An Open Letter to Wikimedia Foundation BoT (Olatunde Isaa)

[reachout2isaac]

The BoT have made some mistakes in the past few days, in the ways they've 
handled information, silent on critical situation that requires urgent 
clarification, and how they kept the community in the dark about certain 
decision. This is painful and that was a poor decision on their part. We have 
every right to be disappointed in them but that doesn't mean we should give up 
on them. The WMF's mission is not about us, it's not about them but about 
millions of people across the world that find the Wikimedia projects useful and 
helpful. It is easy to believe in people when they are succeeding and it's easy 
to be disappointed in them when they are failing. The BoT should understand 
that the Wikimedia projects we have today was built by the community with the 
efforts of thousands of volunteers across the world and it took many years to 
build this amazing resources. Patricio Lorente and his team should focus on 
what is productive and try as much as they can to avoid anything that is 
counterproductive. They should learn to consult the community and staffs in 
taking some decision that is likely to generate controversies.


Best,

Olatunde Isaac


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Dear Ido,

Thank you for your e-mail. I am also grateful to many other people who have
contributed to give us a better understanding of the past and the present
(it is a lot of work).

I would like to read your opinion about two things that I find astonishing
and urging for a remedy:

* How it could come so far that staff members so openly applaud critical
voices about their boss, Lila Tretikov. This is a really terrible signal
about the state of the Foundation. Ido, do you agree with William Beutler
in the Signpost that it is not possible to imagine how the staff and Lila
Tretikov can go on together?

* We have heard from some of the board members. I actually miss the voice
of the chair. It is the task of a chair, certainly in a crisis like this,
to contribute to more clearness, what the Board is thinking, what it
intends to do next. Ido, imagine that the board makes a new start possible,
which would include a new community election. Would you regard that to be
helpful?

Kind regards
Ziko






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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2016 02:02:57 +
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Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Technical issues of Wikimedia [was: Particular
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Hey Milos,
You talked about things that I'm in no place to comment but I want to
emphasize on this part of your email:
"For the last 8 years, just two things have been working without
problems in WMF: Money and tech infrastructure (servers, "plain"
MediaWiki, optimizations etc.)."
We hear about technical issues of Wikipedia a lot. We hear Wikipedia is
behind in technology, that it's underperforming. etc. etc. It's not just
you. It's a lot of people in the community of editors too. I highly doubt
that I can comment on this matter, there are definitely better people but I
can't keep 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An Open Letter to Wikimedia Foundation BoT

[reachout2isaac]

Dear Ido.

I share your concern about these problems and thanks for exercising your right 
to voice your concerns. I'm a bit worried about the  potentially devastating 
effects of these problems on the Wikimedia Projects. Personally, I don't want 
to have any reason to lose confidence in the BoT but I think the community 
deserves clarity on certain issues. Volunteers and affiliates are major 
backbones of the Wikimedia Foundation and they need to understand why certain 
decision is taken by the WMF. I probably do not understand why the BoT decided 
to remain silent on pertinent issues raised here over a month now. This is 
worrisome and heartbreaking.

Best,

Olatunde Isaac
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Maithili Wikimedians User Group

[reachout2isaac]

Congratulations to Maithili Wikimedians User Group.


Best, 

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Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 15:55:27 -0500
From: "Marc A. Pelletier" 
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On 2016-02-08 5:53 PM, Ellie Young wrote:
> The Community Resources team at the WMF recently held a consultation

I will join my voice to the chorus expressing concern and dismay at the 
completely ridiculous interpretation of that minor discussion - it 
clearly does not resemble a mandate to make such a sweeping change to a 
movement-central event like this.

[Obvious disclaimer: I am the lead organizer of the 2017 edition of said 
event so clearly I am not unbiased]

I've never been a fan of the old bidding process - having been its 
victim in the past and seeing the large amount of wasted effort and 
demotivation it must necessarily generate - and I agree wholeheartedly 
that the *process* needs to be reexamined.  But even *that* 
reexamination requires more than a couple weeks on a talk page with a 
couple dozen people involved.

Something of the scope of the changes that consultation is claimed to 
warrant, however?  Farcical.

Wikimania is the beating heart of our movement.  We should be deploying 
efforts to be more inclusive and place it within reach of a larger 
segment of the community, not chopping it up.

-- Marc




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Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 22:59:21 +0200
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Dear all,

On behalf of the Affiliations Committee, I am honoured to announce the 
recognition of a new Wikimedia User Group in South Asia: Maithili 
Wikimedians User Group [1]. Their main focus is the development of free 
content in Maithili, a language spoken by over 30 million people in 
Nepal and India.

Welcome to the family!!


1: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Maithili_Wikimedians_User_Group
-- 
"*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee wayuukanairua 
junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya junain."
Carlos M. Colina
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Dear all,

It is my pleasure to announce, on behalf of the Affiliations Committee, 
the recognition of a new member of the family of affiliates, this time 
in the Middle East: Wikimedia Community User Group Turkey [1]. Among 
their many interests, is the development of projects with educational 
institutions, museums 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Help on Yoruba Wikipedia Project

[reachout2isaac]

Dear all, 

I don't know if it is appropriate to discuss this here but I believe I can get 
a useful advice here. The Nigerian language Wikipedia projects (Yoruba, Hausa, 
Igbo) need urgent attention. English language is the official language in 
Nigeria but the Yoruba language constitutes one of the major languages in 
Nigeria. The other two languages are Igbo and Hausa.
Today, Yorubas along with the Igbos are the most educated ethnic groups in 
Africa but in spite of this potentials, there are poor readership level and 
contributions to the Yoruba Wikipedia projects. In fact, several existing and 
prospective Wikipedia editors as well as scholars and student who can 
contribute significantly to the project are not even aware of the existence of 
the Yoruba Wikipedia. Speaking in March 2012, in Lagos State, southwestern 
Nigeria, Jimmy Wales said:  Wikipedia has seven active editors working in 
Yoruba language 
("[http://m.voanews.com/a/wikipedia-co-founder-adding-more-african-languages-144875665/180406.html),
 an extremely low number, less than 0.0001% of active editors on the English 
Wikipedia. In fact, the seven active editors have reduce to 1 or 2. The truth 
is, I can't point to any active editors contributing in that project.
The Wikimedia User Group Nigeria under the leadership of Olaniyan Olusola will 
need every supports at the disposal of the WMF to preserve the Project. We are 
currently planning to organize a conference entitled "WikiYoruba 2016" that 
will involve Yoruba Language scholars and student who can contribute to the 
project.
I'm a native speaker of Yoruba language with good written skills in Yoruba 
language. I'm an experienced Wikipedian who has created over 500 articles on 
the English Wikipedia and I intend to use my experience to improve the Yoruba 
Wikipedia Project. You may also want to see 
(https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:PEG/Wikicology/100_articles_contribution_to_Yoruba_Language_Wikipedia)
The Content translation tool is currently unsupported by Yoruba Language. Had 
it been its working, I would have translate hundreds of English Wikipedia 
contents.

Please we need the help and all forms of support to improve the project.

Cheers,

Olatunde Isaac (User:Wikicology)
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Solidarity from India for this tragic incident. Good to know that
Wikipedians in and from Paris are all safe.

Bodhisattwa
On 14 November 2015 at 12:28, Natalia Szafran-Kozakowska
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> User Paterm, Polish wikipedian living in Paris is also well.

As is John Cummings, a UK citizen currently working as Wikimedian in
Residence at UNESCO in Paris.

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Hello Wikimedian Colleagues,

I tried to send a mail to affiliates-own...@lists.wikimedia.org but all to no 
avail. It seems the e-mail address is currently not working. Any help?

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   1. Re: Q1 Fundraising Update (Erik Zachte)
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 15:13:22 +0200
From: "Erik Zachte" 
To: "'Wikimedia Mailing List'" 
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Q1 Fundraising Update
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I also feel disheartened about this yearly controversy, which seems to go 
nowhere.
I also am scared by even considering 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising#/media/File:Sept2015BannerEx.png

In my opinion this very ambitious budget (maybe too ambitious if such extreme 
doomsday measures are needed to reach our goals),
may well be putting our reputation at risk, and perhaps even alienate part of 
our community.
"Trust arrives on foot but leaves on horseback"

So who should we address to bring about change, and set more modest goals?
I belief fundraising is doing as they're told, the best they can.
The Wikimedia Foundation gets a lot of flak in these discussions.
But isn't WMF operating within limits set by the Board of Trustees?
Lila can propose a budget, but the Board is ultimately responsible, needs to 
approve that budget, and can amend it.

Erik Zachte 

(disclaimer: I'm speaking in my role as volunteer, not as contractor for WMF)  


-Original Message-
From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of 
Peter Southwood
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 12:38
To: 'Wikimedia Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Q1 Fundraising Update

+1

-Original Message-
From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of 
Andreas Kolbe
Sent: Wednesday, 14 October 2015 7:01 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Q1 Fundraising Update

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 9:56 PM, Leila Zia  wrote:

> I saw that banner and I want to do all I can to help you not use it 
> even if it performs 20% better. I put my story in p.s. so it's easier 
> to skip for whoever chooses to skip. This is a true story. :-\
>

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 10:58 PM, Pete Forsyth  wrote:

> I agree, that banner does not reflect the values of this movement. 
> Pure and simple; it's not a grey area, and not worth my time to 
> discuss for the 97th time.
>
> Personally, I long ago gave up participating in these discussions, for 
> the most part -- because the same valid points get made over and over 
> again, and the same *AWFUL* errors are made year after year in the 
> fund-raising campaign.
>
> Leila's post here is heartening, and I'm glad that somebody has the 
> energy to articulate the concerns so well. I, myself, do not; I have 
> simply lost faith in the integrity of the Wikimedia Foundation's 
> fund-raising operation. I am, honestly, ashamed to tell people that I 
> used to work in the fund-raising department there (though I believe 
> the work we did was valuable).
>
> I recently heard from a high-ranking executive at a software company. 
> She told me that she had given money to the Wikimedia Foundation, and 
> then looked into the WMF's budget, and the messages in the campaign 
> she had responded to. The word she used to describe her feeling was 
> "mortified."
> She had considered asking for her money back, but had decided against it.
>
> Fortunately, she