Re: [Wikimedia-l] Was macht dich diese Woche glücklich? / What's making you happy this week? (Week of 29 Dec 2019)

[RhinosF1 -]

Hi Amir,

I’ll bring it up soon for you.

Regarding the extension, it would be fantastic if someone could update on
that as it’s been waiting a while now.

RhinosF1

On Wed, 1 Jan 2020 at 11:23, Amir E. Aharoni 
wrote:

> בתאריך יום ד׳, 1 בינו׳ 2020, 03:46, מאת RhinosF1 - ‏:
>
> > Hi Amir,
> >
> > Two points to make to you:
> >
> > A) Infoboxes can be standardized but the extension for it hasn’t yet been
> > deployed [
> > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T176793]
> >
>
> If it gets deployed, I'll be very happy!
>
>
> > B) Global templates is a great idea. It’s done by Miraheze in a sketchy
> way
> > but I’ll explain it.
> > - create a template wiki
> > - setup an interwiki with transclude set to on
> > - set $wgEnableScaryTranscluding to true
> > - place {{raw:Interwiki:Template Name}} where you want to use it.
> >
>
> Thanks! Can you please bring this up at
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Global_templates/Proposed_specification
> ?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Was macht dich diese Woche glücklich? / What's making you happy this week? (Week of 29 Dec 2019)

[Amir E. Aharoni]

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‫בתאריך יום ד׳, 1 בינו׳ 2020 ב-18:10 מאת ‪Aron Manning‬‏ <‪
aronmanni...@gmail.com‬‏>:‬

> On Wed, 1 Jan 2020 at 12:23, Amir E. Aharoni  >
> wrote:
>
> > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Global_templates/Proposed_specification
> >
>
> That's very serious work, Amir, thank you for investing all the effort!
>

Thank you! :)

There are great points in the rest of your email. Can you please bring them
up at
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Global_templates/Proposed_specification
? I don't want to go too off-topic here :)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Was macht dich diese Woche glücklich? / What's making you happy this week? (Week of 29 Dec 2019)

[Aron Manning]

On Wed, 1 Jan 2020 at 12:23, Amir E. Aharoni 
wrote:

> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Global_templates/Proposed_specification
>

That's very serious work, Amir, thank you for investing all the effort!

I'd also love to see this come to fruition. While making a dark-mode theme

for Wikipedia I've noticed the ad-hoc nature of Templates, each using their
own hardcoded styling. It is very inefficient to override these styles both
in terms of the browser's workload and the developer's effort to collect
each case that needs coloring. Actually, it's hardly possible - or it would
take forever - to collect all cases; there's always a page left with some
unreadable (bright on bright) text. Color inversion
 can handle
all cases, but the result is not as pleasant as colors chosen specifically
for the purpose. Templates need to use standard styles (similar to those on
Wikiversity
) to make
product-quality theming possible. With global templates transitioning to
the use of standard css classes would be worthwhile.

Another idea: a template editor can be created that parses the long stream
of double "{{" and triple "{{{" curly braces and presents the template
pretty-printed (reflecting the structure) with different, more readable
delimiters like "❮❯", "«»", "‹›" (example

).
That would make editing a bit easier and less error-prone. I wonder what
tools template editors use. Editing this:  "{{lorem
ipsum}}}{{#if:{{{sign|}}}{{{cite|}}}{{{author|}}}"
seems humanly impossible.


Aron
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Was macht dich diese Woche glücklich? / What's making you happy this week? (Week of 29 Dec 2019)

[Amir E. Aharoni]

בתאריך יום ד׳, 1 בינו׳ 2020, 03:46, מאת RhinosF1 - ‏:

> Hi Amir,
>
> Two points to make to you:
>
> A) Infoboxes can be standardized but the extension for it hasn’t yet been
> deployed [
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T176793]
>

If it gets deployed, I'll be very happy!


> B) Global templates is a great idea. It’s done by Miraheze in a sketchy way
> but I’ll explain it.
> - create a template wiki
> - setup an interwiki with transclude set to on
> - set $wgEnableScaryTranscluding to true
> - place {{raw:Interwiki:Template Name}} where you want to use it.
>

Thanks! Can you please bring this up at
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Global_templates/Proposed_specification
?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Was macht dich diese Woche glücklich? / What's making you happy this week? (Week of 29 Dec 2019)

[RhinosF1 -]

Hi Amir,

Two points to make to you:

A) Infoboxes can be standardized but the extension for it hasn’t yet been
deployed [
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T176793]

B) Global templates is a great idea. It’s done by Miraheze in a sketchy way
but I’ll explain it.
- create a template wiki
- setup an interwiki with transclude set to on
- set $wgEnableScaryTranscluding to true
- place {{raw:Interwiki:Template Name}} where you want to use it.

More complex templates require more work and modules need to be shared etc
etc

Cache will need to be properly purged but it will work.

RhinosF1

On Tue, 31 Dec 2019 at 16:21, Amir E. Aharoni 
wrote:

> I wrote a proposal to make it possible for templates on Wikimedia sites to
> be global. It's not a new idea; in fact, it has been requested since 2004,
> which, if I'm not mistaken, is also the year that templates became
> available in the first place. But I do think that my proposal to make the
> global is the most detailed ever.
>
> Now, what makes me happy this week is that the short version of this
> proposal is now available in 12 languages, including the six official
> languages of the United Nations, which is nicely symbolic:
>
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Global_templates/Proposed_specification,_short_version
>
> Even though I wrote most of the original text, I really, really want this
> idea to be "owned" by the whole Wikimedia community and just by myself, so
> I'm glad that people are helping with translations, corrections, and
> comments, including negative comments. It is an important thing, and the
> more people participate in it, the better.
>
> Happy new year! Let's make 2020 the year in which the first global modules
> will finally start appearing, and make the development of various community
> tools easier and more efficient for everyone. Cheers!
>
> --
> Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי
> http://aharoni.wordpress.com
> ‪“We're living in pieces,
> I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬
>
>
> ‫בתאריך יום ג׳, 31 בדצמ׳ 2019 ב-8:04 מאת ‪Pine W‬‏ <‪wiki.p...@gmail.com
> ‬‏>:‬
>
> >  Hello colleagues,
> >
> > Please allow me to introduce User:Clovermoss
> > . She volunteered to
> > collaborate with me on writing this and future issues of *What's Making
> You
> > Happy this Week?* and *The Signpost*'s "On the bright side".
> >
> > Clovermoss is from Canada. She registered on English Wikipedia in
> September
> > 2018, and she is a graduate of User:Nick Moyes
> > ' adoption program
> > . She recently
> made
> > her 4,000th contribution.
> >
> > Please treat Clovermoss as you would like to have been treated when you
> > were new here.
> >
> >
> > *From Clovermoss*:
> >
> > This week, I'm thankful that I am going to start collaborating with Pine
> >  for *On The Bright Side*. I
> have
> > been a fan of this *Signpost* feature for a long time and I'm excited to
> > help make it happen. I'm also thankful for this photo
> > <
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fall%C3%A4tsche_South_Moss_in_Autumn.jpg
> > >.
> > I find that photographs of nature have a tendency to appeal to me, and I
> > think that this one is stunning. I like moss for its unique texture and
> > just for being something that exists. I adore the leaves that can be seen
> > every autumn where I live, and I miss seeing them everywhere I go.
> However,
> > I'm also thankful for the comforting aspects of winter: hot chocolate,
> > candy canes, and the warmth at home.
> >
> >
> > *From Pine*:
> >
> > I am grateful to Clovermoss for agreeing to collaborate. I think that
> > readers will appreciate seeing a new perspective and a new writing style.
> > Also, because I will spend less time writing *WMYHTW*, I think that I
> will
> > be able to spend a little more time on the pilot phase of NavWiki
> > . NavWiki is progressing
> > slowly but well.
> >
> > The topic of writing reminds me of a video clip from *Star Trek: The Next
> > Generation  > >*.
> > In this scene, Captain Jean-Luc Picard
> >  receives a visit from
> the
> > alien "Q". Q is powerful and unpredictable. Here, he offers to help
> Picard
> > with drafting a speech (Youtube link)
> > .
> >
> > Finally, some thoughts about listening
> > . Listening can be done
> casually,
> > aggressively, carefully, poorly, well, and any number of other ways.
> > Clovermoss appears to invest a lot of time and effort in listening.
> Captain
> > Picard did too. The actor who portrayed Picard, Patrick Stewart
> > , stated:
> > <
> >
> 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Was macht dich diese Woche glücklich? / What's making you happy this week? (Week of 29 Dec 2019)

[Amir E. Aharoni]

I wrote a proposal to make it possible for templates on Wikimedia sites to
be global. It's not a new idea; in fact, it has been requested since 2004,
which, if I'm not mistaken, is also the year that templates became
available in the first place. But I do think that my proposal to make the
global is the most detailed ever.

Now, what makes me happy this week is that the short version of this
proposal is now available in 12 languages, including the six official
languages of the United Nations, which is nicely symbolic:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Global_templates/Proposed_specification,_short_version

Even though I wrote most of the original text, I really, really want this
idea to be "owned" by the whole Wikimedia community and just by myself, so
I'm glad that people are helping with translations, corrections, and
comments, including negative comments. It is an important thing, and the
more people participate in it, the better.

Happy new year! Let's make 2020 the year in which the first global modules
will finally start appearing, and make the development of various community
tools easier and more efficient for everyone. Cheers!

--
Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי
http://aharoni.wordpress.com
‪“We're living in pieces,
I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬


‫בתאריך יום ג׳, 31 בדצמ׳ 2019 ב-8:04 מאת ‪Pine W‬‏ <‪wiki.p...@gmail.com
‬‏>:‬

>  Hello colleagues,
>
> Please allow me to introduce User:Clovermoss
> . She volunteered to
> collaborate with me on writing this and future issues of *What's Making You
> Happy this Week?* and *The Signpost*'s "On the bright side".
>
> Clovermoss is from Canada. She registered on English Wikipedia in September
> 2018, and she is a graduate of User:Nick Moyes
> ' adoption program
> . She recently made
> her 4,000th contribution.
>
> Please treat Clovermoss as you would like to have been treated when you
> were new here.
>
>
> *From Clovermoss*:
>
> This week, I'm thankful that I am going to start collaborating with Pine
>  for *On The Bright Side*. I have
> been a fan of this *Signpost* feature for a long time and I'm excited to
> help make it happen. I'm also thankful for this photo
> <
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fall%C3%A4tsche_South_Moss_in_Autumn.jpg
> >.
> I find that photographs of nature have a tendency to appeal to me, and I
> think that this one is stunning. I like moss for its unique texture and
> just for being something that exists. I adore the leaves that can be seen
> every autumn where I live, and I miss seeing them everywhere I go. However,
> I'm also thankful for the comforting aspects of winter: hot chocolate,
> candy canes, and the warmth at home.
>
>
> *From Pine*:
>
> I am grateful to Clovermoss for agreeing to collaborate. I think that
> readers will appreciate seeing a new perspective and a new writing style.
> Also, because I will spend less time writing *WMYHTW*, I think that I will
> be able to spend a little more time on the pilot phase of NavWiki
> . NavWiki is progressing
> slowly but well.
>
> The topic of writing reminds me of a video clip from *Star Trek: The Next
> Generation  >*.
> In this scene, Captain Jean-Luc Picard
>  receives a visit from the
> alien "Q". Q is powerful and unpredictable. Here, he offers to help Picard
> with drafting a speech (Youtube link)
> .
>
> Finally, some thoughts about listening
> . Listening can be done casually,
> aggressively, carefully, poorly, well, and any number of other ways.
> Clovermoss appears to invest a lot of time and effort in listening. Captain
> Picard did too. The actor who portrayed Picard, Patrick Stewart
> , stated:
> <
> https://www.bbcamerica.com/anglophenia/2019/07/everything-you-need-to-know-about-sir-patrick-stewarts-jean-luc-picard
> >
>
> "One of the things that I’ve come to understand is that as I talk a lot
> about Picard, what I find is I’m talking about myself. There was a sort of
> double action that occurred. In one sense Picard was expanding like this
> and at the same time he was also growing closer and closer to me as well
> and in some respect I suppose even had some influence on me. I became a
> better listener than I ever had been as a result of playing Jean-Luc Picard
> because it was one of the things that he does terrifically well."
>
>
> *Closing comments*
>
> What’s making you happy this week? You are welcome to write in any
> language. You are also welcome to start a WMYHTW thread next week.
>
> Additional translations of the subject line of this email would be
> 

[Wikimedia-l] Was macht dich diese Woche glücklich? / What's making you happy this week? (Week of 29 Dec 2019)

[Pine W]

 Hello colleagues,

Please allow me to introduce User:Clovermoss
. She volunteered to
collaborate with me on writing this and future issues of *What's Making You
Happy this Week?* and *The Signpost*'s "On the bright side".

Clovermoss is from Canada. She registered on English Wikipedia in September
2018, and she is a graduate of User:Nick Moyes
' adoption program
. She recently made
her 4,000th contribution.

Please treat Clovermoss as you would like to have been treated when you
were new here.


*From Clovermoss*:

This week, I'm thankful that I am going to start collaborating with Pine
 for *On The Bright Side*. I have
been a fan of this *Signpost* feature for a long time and I'm excited to
help make it happen. I'm also thankful for this photo
.
I find that photographs of nature have a tendency to appeal to me, and I
think that this one is stunning. I like moss for its unique texture and
just for being something that exists. I adore the leaves that can be seen
every autumn where I live, and I miss seeing them everywhere I go. However,
I'm also thankful for the comforting aspects of winter: hot chocolate,
candy canes, and the warmth at home.


*From Pine*:

I am grateful to Clovermoss for agreeing to collaborate. I think that
readers will appreciate seeing a new perspective and a new writing style.
Also, because I will spend less time writing *WMYHTW*, I think that I will
be able to spend a little more time on the pilot phase of NavWiki
. NavWiki is progressing
slowly but well.

The topic of writing reminds me of a video clip from *Star Trek: The Next
Generation *.
In this scene, Captain Jean-Luc Picard
 receives a visit from the
alien "Q". Q is powerful and unpredictable. Here, he offers to help Picard
with drafting a speech (Youtube link)
.

Finally, some thoughts about listening
. Listening can be done casually,
aggressively, carefully, poorly, well, and any number of other ways.
Clovermoss appears to invest a lot of time and effort in listening. Captain
Picard did too. The actor who portrayed Picard, Patrick Stewart
, stated:


"One of the things that I’ve come to understand is that as I talk a lot
about Picard, what I find is I’m talking about myself. There was a sort of
double action that occurred. In one sense Picard was expanding like this
and at the same time he was also growing closer and closer to me as well
and in some respect I suppose even had some influence on me. I became a
better listener than I ever had been as a result of playing Jean-Luc Picard
because it was one of the things that he does terrifically well."


*Closing comments*

What’s making you happy this week? You are welcome to write in any
language. You are also welcome to start a WMYHTW thread next week.

Additional translations of the subject line of this email would be
appreciated on Meta
. Thanks to
User:Lucas_Werkmeister
 for the German
translation.


Best wishes,
Pine
( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
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