Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is Phabricator appropriate for managing non-coding projects?

2015-06-05 Thread David Cuenca Tudela 
On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Quim Gil  wrote:

> I'll invite you to a great dinner if you miss MS Project after using
> Phabricator in a real Wikimedia activity for more than a month.  :)
>

 That is real project management :D
No, I don't think I'll miss it so much, perhaps the only thing I *really*
miss is the ability to add subprojects, but I saw that is already on the
Phabricator road map :)

Cheers,
Micru
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is Phabricator appropriate for managing non-coding projects?

2015-06-05 Thread Quim Gil 
On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 9:34 AM, David Cuenca Tudela 
wrote:

> Although I must say it feels a bit unconventional
> since I haven´t figured out yet how to do scheduling, process flow, and
> other standard non-coding project management tasks in Phabricator.


"unconventional", "standard"... tsk tsk, you know better than this.  ;)

Phabricator aligns better with
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanban_(development) -- see also the recent
Wikimedia Tech Talk about this topic:
https://plus.google.com/events/cg2sb5m878c8ot3nhf2uk4mii34



> When
> compared with standard tools like MS Project, on the Project Planning
> Properties realm Phabricator seems to be lacking many features;
> http://project-management.zone/system/microsoft-project,phabricator


Sure. After deprecating Bugzilla, RT, Scrumbugz, Mingle, and Trello, we
have accumulated a ton of feedback on features that are really really
missing, features that are kind of missing, and also many features that
users thought that would miss, but by now they have forgotten about. Try it
out, give yourself a week, and let us know what you miss exactly.

If you really want to dig...
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/phabricator-upstream/

I guess I will start trying and learning to see how far I can get with it.
> It doesn´t need to be complex in order to be effective.
>

I'll invite you to a great dinner if you miss MS Project after using
Phabricator in a real Wikimedia activity for more than a month.  :)

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is Phabricator appropriate for managing non-coding projects?

2015-06-05 Thread David Cuenca Tudela 
SJ, Neil and Quim,
thanks wholeheartedly for all your answers, I think that removes most of
the fears that I had. Although I must say it feels a bit unconventional
since I haven´t figured out yet how to do scheduling, process flow, and
other standard non-coding project management tasks in Phabricator. When
compared with standard tools like MS Project, on the Project Planning
Properties realm Phabricator seems to be lacking many features;
http://project-management.zone/system/microsoft-project,phabricator

I guess I will start trying and learning to see how far I can get with it.
It doesn´t need to be complex in order to be effective.

Cheers,
Micru

On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 1:24 AM, Quim Gil  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 9:01 PM, David Cuenca Tudela 
> wrote:
>
> >
> > I am looking for a space where I can set up projects like:
> >
> > - clean up a wiki category
> >
> > - set up book scanning tasks
> >
> > - track a survey stages (planning, translation, ad, analysis, etc)
> >
> > Is phabricator a good place for that?
>
>
> Since the very first day of https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/, the blurb
> in the homepage reads
>
> "*Phabricator* is a collaboration platform open to all Wikimedia and
> MediaWiki contributors. We focus on bug reporting and software projects.
> Non-technical initiatives are welcome as well."
>
> That replies your question officially.  :)
>
>
> > I guess that with appropriate
> > project/subproject separation then the tasks wouldn't be mixed with
> coding
> > tasks.
> >
>
> Just like nobody wants all coding tasks mixed either.  :) Tasks get mixed
> or apart in the way you want with the use of projects/tags. Simple.
>
>
> > How is it being done at the WMF?
> >
>
> For instance, even if a hackathon is about code, *organizing* a hackathon
> is not. In fact Engineering Community doesn't write much code and we have
> 99% of our activity organized in Phabricator projects, tasks, and sprints.
>
>
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/?statuses=open()&projects=PHID-PROJ-2olj6ckxwlzq3akoznah#R
>
> Further reading:
>
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Phabricator/Creating_and_renaming_projects
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Phabricator/Project_management
> and of course https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Phabricator/Help, which is
> ready for all kinds of users, technical or not.
>
> See you all there! If you have questions, just ask at
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Phabricator/Help or
> #wikimedia-devtools
> IRC
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is Phabricator appropriate for managing non-coding projects?

2015-06-04 Thread Quim Gil 
Hi,

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 9:01 PM, David Cuenca Tudela 
wrote:

>
> I am looking for a space where I can set up projects like:
>
> - clean up a wiki category
>
> - set up book scanning tasks
>
> - track a survey stages (planning, translation, ad, analysis, etc)
>
> Is phabricator a good place for that?


Since the very first day of https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/, the blurb
in the homepage reads

"*Phabricator* is a collaboration platform open to all Wikimedia and
MediaWiki contributors. We focus on bug reporting and software projects.
Non-technical initiatives are welcome as well."

That replies your question officially.  :)


> I guess that with appropriate
> project/subproject separation then the tasks wouldn't be mixed with coding
> tasks.
>

Just like nobody wants all coding tasks mixed either.  :) Tasks get mixed
or apart in the way you want with the use of projects/tags. Simple.


> How is it being done at the WMF?
>

For instance, even if a hackathon is about code, *organizing* a hackathon
is not. In fact Engineering Community doesn't write much code and we have
99% of our activity organized in Phabricator projects, tasks, and sprints.

https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/?statuses=open()&projects=PHID-PROJ-2olj6ckxwlzq3akoznah#R

Further reading:

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Phabricator/Creating_and_renaming_projects
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Phabricator/Project_management
and of course https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Phabricator/Help, which is
ready for all kinds of users, technical or not.

See you all there! If you have questions, just ask at
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Phabricator/Help or #wikimedia-devtools
IRC

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is Phabricator appropriate for managing non-coding projects?

2015-06-04 Thread Neil P. Quinn 
David,

I don't know of any specific rules about what's allowed in Phabricator. I
*do* know that a number of teams at the WMF use Phabricator for non-coding
tasks—for example, see T89355 [1], T97004 [2], T100918 [3], and T101207 [4].

I speak only for myself, but I really like the idea of community members
using Phab to track Wikimedia-related projects like surveys and book
scanning. I can't see any downsides, other than the frightening possibility
of running out of numbers. (I do think category cleanup on a specific wiki
would be better tracked on the wiki itself with maintenance templates, but
I don't feel very strongly about it.)

[1]: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89355
[2]: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97004
[3]: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T100918
[4]: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T101207

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product analyst
Wikimedia Foundation
+1 (202) 656 3457

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 1:44 PM, Sam Klein  wrote:

> Great question.  I'd love a structured task manager for such things, also.
>
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 2:01 PM, David Cuenca Tudela 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am looking for a space where I can set up projects like:
> >
> > - clean up a wiki category
> >
> > - set up book scanning tasks
> >
> > - track a survey stages (planning, translation, ad, analysis, etc)
> >
> > Is phabricator a good place for that? I guess that with appropriate
> > project/subproject separation then the tasks wouldn't be mixed with
> coding
> > tasks.
> >
> > How is it being done at the WMF?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Micru
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is Phabricator appropriate for managing non-coding projects?

2015-06-04 Thread Sam Klein 
Great question.  I'd love a structured task manager for such things, also.

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 2:01 PM, David Cuenca Tudela 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am looking for a space where I can set up projects like:
>
> - clean up a wiki category
>
> - set up book scanning tasks
>
> - track a survey stages (planning, translation, ad, analysis, etc)
>
> Is phabricator a good place for that? I guess that with appropriate
> project/subproject separation then the tasks wouldn't be mixed with coding
> tasks.
>
> How is it being done at the WMF?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Micru
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[Wikimedia-l] Is Phabricator appropriate for managing non-coding projects?

2015-06-04 Thread David Cuenca Tudela 
Hi,

I am looking for a space where I can set up projects like:

- clean up a wiki category

- set up book scanning tasks

- track a survey stages (planning, translation, ad, analysis, etc)

Is phabricator a good place for that? I guess that with appropriate
project/subproject separation then the tasks wouldn't be mixed with coding
tasks.

How is it being done at the WMF?

Cheers,

Micru
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